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Old July 16th, 2012, 02:59 PM
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AIP Filibusters AIDS Bill in Senate; Robertson Calls Disease God's Judgement; Clinton Blasts 'Heartless' Opposition
The New York Times, page A2, September 28, 1985
Any chance of he (Robertson) lose his seat after such comment in this TL, please?

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Old July 16th, 2012, 04:14 PM
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I assume Mitt Romney stayed in Michigan and never moved to Massachusetts?
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Old July 16th, 2012, 05:46 PM
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I assume Mitt Romney stayed in Michigan and never moved to Massachusetts?
Mitt Romney graduated from Stanford in 1969, was a Mormon missionary for two years, and returned to Detroit to found a successful biodiesel company, which he sold in 1982 after being elected Governor of Michigan. He became nationally known as a leader of the socially liberal faction of the Republican Party and secured a groundbreaking gay-rights bill in 1985. His business background and success as Governor of Michigan make him the odds-on favorite for the Republican Presidential nomination in 1988. Ray Estevez was elected Governor of Ohio in the same year. He had gone to Washington to work for his childhood idol James Dean in 1961, graduating from George Washington University and becoming White House Press Secretary when Ronald Reagan resigned to become governor. He returned to Ohio and was elected to the House of Representatives from Dayton in 1970. His congressional career was marked by support for expanded welfare programs and his service on the House Armed Services Committee. As governor, he used the state's gas tax to build light rail systems for Dayton and Toledo (Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati had already had subway systems built in the early 1980s) and legalized marijuana. He also ordered a moratorium on nuclear power plant construction after Chernobyl and the Rogers Commission Report.

Also in 1982, Pat Robertson was elected to the Senate from Virginia as an American Independent. Along with Florida Governor Anita Bryant and North Carolina Senator Jesse Helms, he was able to broaden the AIP's appeal beyond the South by attracting evangelical Christians with his attacks on gays, sexually promiscuous women, and legalized marijuana. He gained national attention during a Senate hearing on AIDS research, when he nearly baited former President Dean, who was President and Co-Founder of the Human Rights Campaign, into losing his temper on national television. As of January 1987, he is mulling a Presidential bid.

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Old July 17th, 2012, 03:18 AM
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Reagan Won't Run in '88
The New York Times, front page, January 5, 1987
US and Russia Reach Historic Agreement: Nuclear Arsenals to be Eliminated by 2000
The New York Times, front page, March 15, 1987
FDA Approves New AIDS Drug
The New York Times, front page, March 20, 1987
Estevez Announces Presidential Candidacy
The Plain Dealer, April 1, 1987
Labour Upset in UK General Election
The New York Times, front page, June 11, 1987
Ranking Candidate
1 Mitt Romney, Governor of Michigan
2 Jack Kemp, Governor of New York
3 George Bush, former Secretary of Commerce
4 Dan Quayle, Representative from Indiana's 4th District
5 David Eisenhower, Representative from Pennsylvania's 5th District
6 Harold Stassen, former Governor of Minnesota
Ames Straw Poll Results, September 12, 1987
Ranking Candidate
1 Ramon Estevez, Governor of Ohio
2 Jim Hunt, Governor of North Carolina
3 Jesse Jackson, Representative from Illinois' 2nd District
4 Al Gore, Representative from Tennessee's 6th District
5 Pat Schroeder, Representative from Colorado's 1st District
Gallup Poll of Democratic Presidential Candidates among Iowa Democratic Caucus-Goers, September 12, 1987
Ranking Candidate
1 Pat Robertson, Senator from Virginia
2 Jesse Helms, Senator from North Carolina
3 Evan Meacham, Representative from Arizona's 6th District
4 Strom Thurmond, former Senator from South Carolina
Nationwide Gallup Poll of AIP Presidential Candidates among likely AIP voters, September 12, 1987
Romanian Strikers Force Ceaușescu's Resignation
The New York Times, front page, November 15, 1987
Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Rice. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you
Bill Clinton, statement at press conference, January 5, 1988
Hunt Wins Iowa Primary
The New York Times, front page, February 9, 1988
Hunt Dominates Super Tuesday, Estevez Drops Out of Race
The New York Times, front page, March 9, 1988
Gorbachev to Allow Multi-Party Elections
The New York Times, front page, May 31, 1988
Democrats Nominate Hunt, Cuomo in Atlanta
The New York Times, front page, July 20, 1988
Audiotapes Prove Clinton Asked Rice to Lie to Press
The New York Times, front page, July 28, 1988
Robertson Leading in Gallup Poll With Call for 'Return to Decency,' Romney Stresses Faith, Family, Hunt Running Away from Clinton
The New York Times, front page, August 3, 1988
AIP House Caucus Calls for Clinton to be Impeached
The New York Times, front page, August 17, 1988
Robertson Attacks Mormonism, Catholicism in Presidential Debate
The New York Times, front page, October 13, 1988
Romney Wins With Plurality of Popular Vote
The New York Times, front page, November 9, 1988
Romney Promises Youth: "You will have opportunities beyond anything we've ever known," in Inaugural Address
The New York Times, front page, January 21, 1989
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Old July 17th, 2012, 04:45 PM
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Estonia Votes for Independence from USSR
The New York Times, front page, February 24, 1989
Milosevic Orders Troops into Kosovo Province
The New York Times, front page, March 1, 1989
Kinnock Pushes Tax Hike Through Parliament
The New York Times, page A2, April 1, 1989
Georgia Votes to Leave USSR
The New York Times, front page, April 9, 1989
Russian Embassy Reports Protests in Beijing
The New York Times, front page, April 21, 1989
Communist Government Falls in Hungary; Liberal Party Promises New Constitution
The New York Times, front page, May 2, 1989
Violent Protests Reported in Sinkiang Province
The New York Times, front page, May 19, 1989
Yeltsin's Independents Make Gains in Soviet Elections
The New York Times, front page, May 29, 1989
Massacre Reported in Beijing
The New York Times, front page, June 4, 1989
Mazowiecki Sworn in as President of Poland
The New York Times, front page, August 19, 1989
Radiation Leak at Texas Nuclear Plant Forces Evacuations
The New York Times, front page, October 23, 1989
Robertson Loses Gubernatorial Election to Wilder; Seen as Rebuke to AIP
The New York Times, front page, November 8, 1989
Germany Votes Overwhelmingly for Reunification
The New York Times, front page, November 10, 1989
Author Vaclav Havel Elected President of Czechoslovakia
The New York Times, page A2, December 29, 1989
Lithuania Votes for Independence
The New York Times, front page, January 11, 1990
Pakistan, India Mobilize Over Kashmir
The New York Times, front page, January 20, 1989
Mandela's Long Journey to Freedom
Time Magazine, cover story, February 12, 1990
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Old July 17th, 2012, 04:50 PM
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Given that your TL's POD is in the 40's, can you please keep the Dodgers in Brooklyn? Pretty please?
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Old July 17th, 2012, 05:03 PM
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Given that your TL's POD is in the 40's, can you please keep the Dodgers in Brooklyn? Pretty please?
No, he needs to get rid of Robert Moses and only Rockefeller could do that.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:28 PM
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Given that your TL's POD is in the 40's, can you please keep the Dodgers in Brooklyn? Pretty please?
It wouldn't happen. California would be even more attractive to MLB in this scenario because the economy would be stronger and Governor Dean would likely provide incentives in the form of funding for transit to the stadium so as to improve his reputation with the American electorate.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 08:23 PM
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It wouldn't happen. California would be even more attractive to MLB in this scenario because the economy would be stronger and Governor Dean would likely provide incentives in the form of funding for transit to the stadium so as to improve his reputation with the American electorate.
Which brings up the point that the Dodgers are not the only team that considered moving to LA. The Saint Louis Browns and Washington Senators are both fantastic choices.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:16 AM
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Which brings up the point that the Dodgers are not the only team that considered moving to LA. The Saint Louis Browns and Washington Senators are both fantastic choices.
The Browns had already relocated by 1957 and the Senators wouldn't move to LA because their owner was a racist.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:19 AM
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The Browns had already relocated by 1957 and the Senators wouldn't move to LA because their owner was a racist.
Los Angeles had a large White population. The promise of a stadium in a white neighborhood, could very easily sway the feelings of Griffith. I was under the opinion that considering that the POD was in the 40's, the Browns may get what they want.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:24 AM
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Did Voyager Space Probes and the Hubble Space Telescope been launched in this TL?
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Old July 18th, 2012, 03:12 AM
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Did Voyager Space Probes and the Hubble Space Telescope been launched in this TL?
Yes but the shuttle program never developed. Instead, we keep on sending people to the moon, and there's perennial noise about a manned mission to Mars.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 03:25 PM
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Germany Holds First Elections Since Reunification
The New York Times, front page, February 13, 1990
Hubble Space Telescope Launched
The New York Times, front page, April 14, 1990
Rabin Forms Government
The New York Times, front page, June 8, 1990
Romney Assassinated, O'Connor Takes Oath of Office
The New York Times, front page, August 2, 1990
Romney Killer Warns More Attacks Coming from 'Army of God'
The New York Times, front page, August 6, 1990
Timothy McVeigh: Portrait of a Killer
Time Magazine, cover story, August 10, 1990
Car Bombs Explode Simultaneously in Times Square, Jackson Square, Salt Lake Temple
AP Bulletin, 9:00 am, September 11, 1990
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Old July 18th, 2012, 10:06 PM
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What happened to the Kennedys? Have not read a peep since RFK was elected Attorney General of Massachusetts.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 10:57 PM
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What happened to the Kennedys? Have not read a peep since RFK was elected Attorney General of Massachusetts.
RFK was James Dean's Attorney General from 1961-1964, when he ran for Senate from New York. He announced a bid for President in 1968, but was assassinated by a Fatah-affiliated terrorist cell. His brother Ted, a senator from Massachusetts, was nominated for Vice-President by a grief-stricken Democratic convention. He served as Vice-President under Terry Sanford. However, his lack of personal discipline would prove his undoing. J. Edgar Hoover released records of his late-night assignations with aide Mary Jo Kopechne in the Watergate Hotel. This resulted in a scandal that exposed Hoover's tendency to blackmail politicians, and a number of the secrets kept in his files, including former President James Dean's homosexual affair with aide William Bast, former Postmaster General Strom Thurmond's illegitimate black child, and former Vice-President and Governor of California Richard Nixon's questionable business dealings. Ted Kennedy ran for President in 1976, but he suffered persistently low approval ratings as a result of his extramarital affair, and lost to Nelson Rockefeller. As of 1990, Christopher Kennedy is a US congressman from Illinois and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a New York city councilman.
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Old July 19th, 2012, 02:45 AM
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Explosion Reported at Oklahoma City Federal Building
AP Wire Bulletin, 9:35 am, September 11, 1990
NYPD Confirms Chlorine Gas Used in Times Square Bomb
AP Wire Bulletin, 10:00 am, September 11, 1990
Car Bombings Reported at Courthouses in Tuscaloosa, AL; Denver, CO; Chicago, IL
AP Wire Bulletin, 12:23 pm, September 11, 1990
FBI Issues Alert for Vernon Howell, AKA David Koresh
AP Wire Bulletin, 2:00 pm, September 11, 1990
Waco Police Find Koresh Compound Abandoned
AP Wire Bulletin, 3:40 pm, September 11, 1990


Today, our fellow citizens, our way of life, our very freedom came under attack in a series of deliberate and deadly terrorist acts. The victims were secretaries, business men and women, military and federal workers, moms and dads, friends and neighbors. Thousands of lives were suddenly ended by evil, despicable acts of terror. The pictures of fires burning, huge structures collapsing, bodies being taken from the rubble have filled us with disbelief, terrible sadness, and a quiet, unyielding anger. These acts of mass murder were intended to frighten our nation into chaos and retreat. But they have failed. Our country is strong.

Today, our nation saw evil -- the very worst of human nature -- and we responded with the best of America. With the daring of our rescue workers, with the caring for strangers and neighbors who came to give blood and help in any way they could.

Immediately following the first attack, I implemented our government's emergency response plans. Our military is powerful, and it's prepared. Our emergency teams are working around the country to help with local rescue efforts. Our first priority is to get help to those who have been injured, and to take every precaution to protect our citizens at home and around the world from further attacks. The functions of our government continue without interruption. Federal agencies in Washington which had to be evacuated today are reopening for essential personnel tonight and will be open for business tomorrow. Our financial institutions remain strong, and the American economy will be open for business as well.

The search is underway for those who were behind these evil acts. I have directed the full resources of our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and to bring them to justice.

I appreciate so very much the members of Congress who have joined me in strongly condemning these attacks. And on behalf of the American people, I thank the many world leaders who have called to offer their condolences and assistance. America and our friends and allies join with all those who want peace and security in the world, and we stand together to win the war against terrorism.

Tonight, I ask for your prayers for all those who grieve, for the children whose worlds have been shattered, for all whose sense of safety and security has been threatened. And I pray they will be comforted by a Power greater than any of us, spoken through the ages in Psalm 23:

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil for you are with me.

This is a day when all Americans from every walk of life unite in our resolve for justice and peace. America has stood down enemies before, and we will do so this time. None of us will ever forget this day, yet we go forward to defend freedom and all that is good and just in our world.

Thank you. Good night. And God bless America.
President Sandra Day O'Connor, Address to the Nation, 9:00 pm, September 11, 1990
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Old July 19th, 2012, 06:43 AM
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Old July 19th, 2012, 02:34 PM
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FBI Warns Army of God Members Have Escaped, Fanned Out Across the Country, May Plan More Attacks
The New York Times, front page, September 13, 1990
Gunmen Attack Synagogues in New York, Memphis, Charlotte, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Tampa, Atlanta, Richmond, Philadelphia
AP Bulletin, 11:45 am, September 15, 1990
Army of God Strikes Catholic, Mormon, Black Churches
AP Bulletin, 12:15 pm, September 16, 1990
3 Army of God Terrorists Dead, 7 Captured After Shootout With NJ Police
AP Bulletin, 1:35 am, September 19, 1990
FBI Believes up to 100 AOG Members Remain at Large
The New York Times, front page, September 20, 1991
Religious Services Across the Nation Cancelled After AOG Targets Mosques
The New York Times, front page, September 22, 1990
8 AOG Dead in Bank Hostage Crisis
The New York Times, front page, September 28, 1990
Howell Capture Brings End to 'Black September'
The New York Times, front page, October 2, 1990
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Old July 19th, 2012, 07:14 PM
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Midterm Elections Yield Stunning Defeat to AIP
The New York Times, front page, November 7, 1990
O'Connor Signs Firearms Registration Act
The New York Times, front page, January 10, 1991
Economy Contracted Sharply in Fourth Quarter
The New York Times, front page, January 27, 1991
O'Connor Calls for Tax Cuts to Stimulate Economy
The New York Times, front page, March 2, 1991
Gandhi Assassinated While Campaigning for Reelection
The New York Times, front page, May 21, 1991
Yeltsin Sworn in as First Democratically Elected President of Russia
The New York Times, front page, July 10, 1991
9/11 Survivors Call for Federal Regulation of Fertilizer Sales
The New York Times, front page, August 3, 1991
Recession Continues Through Third Quarter
The New York Times, front page, October 27, 1991
McVeigh, Howell Officially Indicted by Federal Court
The New York Times, front page, December 5, 1991
Harkin Wins New Hampshire Primary
The New York Times, front page, February 22, 1992
Milosevic Orders Troops into Croatia, Slovenia
The New York Times, front page, March 1, 1992
Economy Returns to Growth in First Quarter
The New York Times, front page, April 27, 1992
Harkin Announces Estevez as Running Mate
The New York Times, front page, June 21, 1992
Hurricane Andrew Makes Landfall Near Miami
The New York Times, front page, August 25, 1992
Radiation Leak Confirmed at Plant Damaged by Hurricane
The New York Times, front page, September 2, 1992
O'Connor Reelected With 47 States
The New York Times, front page, November 4, 1992
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