TL-191 United States Presidential Elections Results Thread

[Turquoise Blue]

This will be the dedicated thread for the results of the TL-191 United States Presidential Elections. The 1864-1936 elections are being held every week in the Books and Media forum, while the 1940-2012 elections are being simultaneously held every week in the same forum.


1864 and 1940 is running at the present. I will not do the 1868 elections until Nerdlinger does it, so our elections will run concurrently for the first half.

[Hercule Poirot]

How will elections not discussed have their candidates determined?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Hercule Poirot

How will elections not discussed have their candidates determined?

I'm using Timeline-191 Filling the Gaps for the pre-1900 ones, and the After the End one for the post-1900 ones. After AtE ends, it shall be up for discussion.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Hercule Poirot

How will elections not discussed have their candidates determined?

We'll set up a big board on the floor with the names of many contemporary US politicians on it, cut the head off a chicken with a cleaver, and, while whimsically playing a kazoo, we'll watch the chicken's body run around on the board for several seconds until it collapses. Whichever name its bloody neck-stump lands on will be our next candidate.

[Hercule Poirot]

Well Turtledove does include fictional characters in his books (like Blackford or Featherston) so why can't we do it either?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Hercule Poirot

Well Turtledove does include fictional characters in his books (like Blackford or Featherston) so why can't we do it either?

We will include some fictional characters, but remember, most of TL-191 US presidents are OTL. Only two is not (Blackford and La Follette)

[Turquoise Blue]

Bump. Could this be stickied, please?

[EmmettMcFly55]

Are you going to include infoboxes like in the OTL election thread?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by EmmettMcFly55

Are you going to include infoboxes like in the OTL election thread?

Yeah, Nerdlinger's helping me with that. Arkhangelsk's supplying an blank version of his electoral map for our use.

[Turquoise Blue]

Bump.

We need candidates for the Democratic, Socialist and Republican parties after Timeline-191 After the End concludes.

Post in your ideas.

[jpj1421]

1972: Socialist: Vice President Warren Magnuson (WA)
Democrat: Senator Joshua Blackford (NY)
Republican: Senator George Hansen (ID)

1976: Socialist: Senator George McGovern (Da)
Democrat: President Joshua Blackford (NY)
Republican: Governor John Ashbrook (OH)

1980: Socialist: Governor Jerry Brown (CA)
Democrat: Vice President Gerald Ford (MI)
Republican: Senator John Anderson (IL)

1984: Socialist: President Jerry Brown (CA)
Democrat: Governor George H.W. Bush (CT)
Republican: Senator John Andrerson (IL)

1988: Socialist: Vice President Walter Mondale (MN)
Democrat: Governor Pierre S. du Pont IV (DE)
Republican: Senator Robert Dole (KS)

1992: Socialist: President Walter Mondale (MN)
Democrat: Governor Donald Rumsfeld (IL)
Republican: Vice Admiral James Stockdale (IL)

1996: Socialist: Governor Mario Cuomo (NY)
Democrat: Governor Jack Kemp (NY)
Republican: President James Stockdale (IL)

2000: Socialist: Senator John Kerry (Ma)
Democrat: President Jack Kemp (NY)
Republican: Senator John McCain (NM)

2004: Socialist: Senator Hillary Rodham (IL)
Democrat: Vice President Richard Lugar (IN)
Republican: Representative Ron Paul (TX)

2008: Socialist: President Hillary Rodham (IL)
Democrat: Governor Mitt Romney (Ma)
Republican: Representative Ron Paul (TX)

2012: Socialist: Governor John F. Kennedy Jr. (Ma)
Democrat: Senator Irving Morrel, Jr. (D-KS)
Republican: Senator Stephen Harper, (R-ON)

I might have taken this too seriously. I pieced together using other threads on the forum.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by jpj1421

I might have taken this too seriously. I pieced together using other threads on the forum.

Seem like plausible picks to me, though I admit to general ignorance on the matter. Can you provide your sources? One thing I'll note is that whether or not some candidates run multiple times will depend upon their previous successes or failures. So the list wouldn't necessarily be set in stone like mine but could change based on the results of past polls.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Seem like plausible picks to me, though I admit to general ignorance on the matter. Can you provide your sources? One thing I'll note is that whether or not some candidates run multiple times will depend upon their previous successes or failures. So the list wouldn't necessarily be set in stone like mine but could change based on the results of past polls.

Actually, I want a list set in stone, because it would be bad having the canon be set in stone and the non-canon be flexible.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Actually, I want a list set in stone, because it would be bad having the canon be set in stone and the non-canon be flexible.

Well, currently there are no canonical candidates/presidents/VPs for several elections from 1868 to 1908 and for every election from 1972 on. You'd be making the canon, although it will likely end up differing from Craigo's and DBE's canon.

[jpj1421]

I used Abhakhazia's 2012 candidate lists from his poll, and I used the After the End to make decisions for 1972. After that I looked at each election, the election before or after and removed all of the Southern Candidates. I wanted to give one Republican a win and it was almost Anderson, but I went with Stockdale, Perot's VP instead. I used historical realities and my gut to decided other elections. Recessions are bad for incumbents, long wars are bad for incumbent parties, that sort of thing.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Well, currently there are no canonical candidates/presidents/VPs for several elections from 1868 to 1908 and for every election from 1972 on. You'd be making the canon, although it will likely end up differing from Craigo's and DBE's canon.

Alright. But I want it to be in stone, not depending on past elections.

So, how about this?

1868: Horatio Seymour (Democratic) vs William Seward (Republican)
1872: Thomas F. Bayard (Democratic) vs Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1876: Samuel J. Tilden (Democratic) vs Rutherford Hayes (Republican)
1880: Samuel J. Tilden (Democratic) vs James G. Blaine (Republican)
1884: Thomas A. Hendricks (Democratic) vs Chester A. Arthur (Republican)
1888: Alfred Thayer Mahan (Democratic) vs John James Ingalls (Republican)
1892: Alfred Thayer Mahan (Democratic) vs Whitelaw Reid (Republican)
1896: Thomas Brackett Reed (Democratic) vs ????? (Republican)
1900: Thomas Brackett Reed (Democratic) vs Charles Matchett (Socialist) and ?????? (Republican)
1904: Philander C. Knox (Democratic) vs Charles Matchett (Socialist) and Joseph B. Foraker? (Republican)
1908: Philander C. Knox (Democratic) vs Eugene V. Debs (Socialist) and Warren Harding? (Republican)

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Alright. But I want it to be in stone, not depending on past elections.

So, how about this?

1868: Horatio Seymour (Democratic) vs William Seward (Republican)
1872: Thomas F. Bayard (Democratic) vs Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1876: Thomas F. Bayard (Democratic) vs James Geary (Republican)
1880: Samuel J. Tilden (Democratic) vs Rutherford Hayes (Republican)
1884: Samuel J. Tilden (Democratic) vs James G. Blaine (Republican)
1888: Alfred Thayer Mahan (Democratic) vs ?????? (Republican)
1892: Alfred Thayer Mahan (Democratic) vs ?????? (Republican)
1896: Thomas Brackett Reed (Democratic) vs ?????? (Republican)
1900: Thomas Brackett Reed (Democratic) vs Charles Matchett (Socialist) and ?????? (Republican)
1904: Philander C. Knox (Democratic) vs Charles Matchett (Socialist) and Joseph B. Foraker? (Republican)
1908: Philander C. Knox (Democratic) vs Eugene V. Debs (Socialist) and Warren Harding? (Republican)

Blaine ran against the incumbent Tilden (and won) in 1880. It's possible that Tilden ran against Hayes in 1876 and actually won, but I don't know for sure.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Blaine ran against the incumbent Tilden (and won) in 1880. It's possible that Tilden ran against Hayes in 1876 and actually won, but I don't know for sure.

That would be characteristic of Turtledove, really. I think that, yeah, I'll make Tilden-Hayes be in 1876.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

That would be characteristic of Turtledove, really. I think that, yeah, I'll make Tilden-Hayes be in 1876.

Our elections will be very similar that year. Of course, I'll have third parties thrown into the mix. It'd be interesting if Tilden won in one of the elections and Hayes won in the other.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

Our elections will be very similar that year. Of course, I'll have third parties thrown into the mix. It'd be interesting if Tilden won in one of the elections and Hayes won in the other.

Yeah. Is there any right-sapping parties in yours? My voters seem to favor the Republicans pre-1900. They all embraced Remembrance, apparently...