WI Henry Duke of Cornwall survives and becomes King Henry IX?

[Don_Giorgio]

In 1 January 1511 Catherine of Aragon gave birth to a boy who was named Henry and automatically became Duke of Cornwall and heir to King Henry VIII of England.
However the infant Prince died unexpectedly in 23 February 1511...

If Henry survives to adulthood and succeeds his father as King Henry IX at age 36 (assuming that Henry VIII dies as per OTL in 1547) what are the impacts on History? How is a Catholic England affects the rest of Europe? What would be Scotland's path since they wont unite with England?

[Velasco]

There's nothing stopping him from marrying Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots.

[Arafeel]

Originally Posted by Don_Giorgio

In 1 January 1511 Catherine of Aragon gave birth to a boy who was named Henry and automatically became Duke of Cornwall and heir to King Henry VIII of England.
However the infant Prince died unexpectedly in 23 February 1511...

If Henry survives to adulthood and succeeds his father as King Henry IX at age 36 (assuming that Henry VIII dies as per OTL in 1547) what are the impacts on History? How is a Catholic England affects the rest of Europe? What would be Scotland's path since they wont unite with England?

Well, why would he be a Catholic?
Secondly, if we assume that Henry IX would be pro Hapsburg, that would for a time atleast fufill the Hapsburg goal of envoloping the Valois. And that me thinks is the biggest change.

[Don_Giorgio]

Originally Posted by Arafeel

Well, why would he be a Catholic?
Secondly, if we assume that Henry IX would be pro Hapsburg, that would for a time atleast fufill the Hapsburg goal of envoloping the Valois. And that me thinks is the biggest change.

If Henry has the desired heir by Catherine then there is no need to ask for a divorce thus no reason to break away from Rome... Henry was destined initially to become a clergyman and was a very devout catholic so i believe it is safe to assume that he will remain Catholic and propably would fight Protestantism (and propably we would have a Bloody Henry instead of a Bloody Mary...)

[el t]

Originally Posted by Don_Giorgio

In 1 January 1511 Catherine of Aragon gave birth to a boy who was named Henry and automatically became Duke of Cornwall and heir to King Henry VIII of England.
However the infant Prince died unexpectedly in 23 February 1511...

If Henry survives to adulthood and succeeds his father as King Henry IX at age 36 (assuming that Henry VIII dies as per OTL in 1547) what are the impacts on History? How is a Catholic England affects the rest of Europe? What would be Scotland's path since they wont unite with England?

I thought that the male heir to the English throne was nearly always designated as Prince of Wales. Why was this prince Duke of Cornwall?

[Don_Giorgio]

Originally Posted by el t

I thought that the male heir to the English throne was nearly always designated as Prince of Wales. Why was this prince Duke of Cornwall?

The heir to the English throne becomes Duke of Cornwall automatically at birth... He is created Prince of Wales however in a later date...

[Some Bloke]

Actually only the King's eldest son is Duke of Cornwall at birth, which is why IOTL George III was Prince of Wales but never Duke of Cornwall because George II was his grandfather not his father.

[Simreeve]

If this Henry was as deeply religious as has been said, and/or still sickly even though he survived for long enough to become king, then it's quite possible that he dies (still unmarried?) without producing any children of his own. With no other legitimate children of Henry VIII existing in this TL, would his heirs be his aunt Margaret's Stewart descendants... or, as Henry VIII had said that he personally preferred, his aunt Mary's Brandon/Grey ones?

[Don_Giorgio]

Originally Posted by Simreeve

If this Henry was as deeply religious as has been said, and/or still sickly even though he survived for long enough to become king, then it's quite possible that he dies (still unmarried?) without producing any children of his own. With no other legitimate children of Henry VIII existing in this TL, would his heirs be his aunt Margaret's Stewart descendants... or, as Henry VIII had said that he personally preferred, his aunt Mary's Brandon/Grey ones?

If this Henry manages to survive till 1547 to succeed Henry VIII i doubt that he would be unmarried by then... If we assume that Henry VIII arranges him a marriage around 1525-1530 who are the eligible brides?

[Simreeve]

Okay, he probably would be married, but if he's over-pious and/or sickly then that marriage might not actually have been consumated. Consider the earlier case of Edward the Confessor...

[Don_Giorgio]

Originally Posted by Simreeve

Okay, he probably would be married, but if he's over-pious and/or sickly then that marriage might not actually have been consumated. Consider the earlier case of Edward the Confessor...

Being pious or sickly doesnt automatically make one impotent...

[Arachnid]

Originally Posted by Don_Giorgio

If Henry has the desired heir by Catherine then there is no need to ask for a divorce thus no reason to break away from Rome... Henry was destined initially to become a clergyman and was a very devout catholic so i believe it is safe to assume that he will remain Catholic and propably would fight Protestantism (and propably we would have a Bloody Henry instead of a Bloody Mary...)

Henry VIII did have a much better education than many of his predecessors as English Kings but so did his brothers. There is little direct evidence he was intended for the church.

[Don_Giorgio]

Originally Posted by Arachnid

That's a complete myth. Henry VIII did have a much better education than many of his predecessors as English Kings but so were his brothers but there is little direct evidence he was intended for the church.

Well he was well versed in theological matters... He wrote a treatise that impressed the Pope and earned him the honorific "Fidei Defensor".. At least he was a pious man...

[eliphas8]

Originally Posted by Don_Giorgio

Well he was well versed in theological matters... He wrote a treatise that impressed the Pope and earned him the honorific "Fidei Defensor".. At least he was a pious man...

Well yeah, theology was considered paramount in any education at the time.

[Velasco]

The Tudors would probably still flirt with the Valois when they see that Maximilian/Charles V's politics don't include Henry VIII making big conquests in northern France. So a Valois marriage (to either Louise, Charlotte or Magdelen) would be a definite possibility.

Plus, with a living son, the Princess Mary would almost definitely be married off in her early teens.

[Don_Giorgio]

Originally Posted by Velasco

The Tudors would probably still flirt with the Valois when they see that Maximilian/Charles V's politics don't include Henry VIII making big conquests in northern France. So a Valois marriage (to either Louise, Charlotte or Magdelen) would be a definite possibility.

Plus, with a living son, the Princess Mary would almost definitely be married off in her early teens.

I could suggest a Habsburg match in order to strengthen his claim to HRE and Spain... After all Henry IX would be first cousin to Charles V... Perhaps Henry IX could contest an Imperial election with better luck than his father...

[Arachnid]

Originally Posted by Don_Giorgio

Well he was well versed in theological matters... He wrote a treatise that impressed the Pope and earned him the honorific "Fidei Defensor".. At least he was a pious man...

Look at the curriculum at Oxford or Cambridge. Well versed in theology= well educated.

[Simreeve]

Originally Posted by Don_Giorgio

Being pious or sickly doesnt automatically make one impotent...

I'm not suggesting extreme piety => impotence, I'm suggesting extreme piety => [private] oath of chastity. There's historical precedent...

[Desmond Hume]

Originally Posted by Don_Giorgio

Well he was well versed in theological matters... He wrote a treatise that impressed the Pope and earned him the honorific "Fidei Defensor".. At least he was a pious man...

From what I've read, it's more like Henry "wrote" that treatise. Some scholars (including Thomas More) actually wrote it, under Henry's supervision, and Henry signed his name to it as sole author.

[Velasco]

Originally Posted by Simreeve

I'm not suggesting extreme piety => impotence, I'm suggesting extreme piety => [private] oath of chastity. There's historical precedent...

For a reigning monarch or heir-apparent I think that's the least likely of scenarios.