WI: Terrorist Groups Acquire "Nuke"; First City To Go Is...?

[SergeantHeretic]

Originally Posted by deamy

It leaves an angry US run the by army that's determined to strike back at whoever did it. Pretty good start if you, as some Islamic extremist, want an all out war between the US and much of the Muslim world. With some invasions and collateral damage here and there, you will get a lot of recruits for your holy war...

Witch you would then lose to a totally militarized U.S> that isn't screwing around anymore.

[deamy]

Originally Posted by SergeantHeretic

Witch you would then lose to a totally militarized U.S> that isn't screwing around anymore.

Not really. Many will be martyrs yes, but that's not really an issue for them, is it?

Imagine the nuke is traced to Pakistan, and some members to Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Syria. Make one a Turk too.

How would you win such a war? An occupation zone stretching from the Mediterranean to China? Not really, especially not after Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bombs, bombs and more bombs is the only way to hit back. But then you get more, more and more support from the areas affected. And eventually a lot of populations put their differences aside and united in their common hate.

[SergeantHeretic]

Originally Posted by deamy

Not really. Many will be martyrs yes, but that's not really an issue for them, is it?

Imagine the nuke is traced to Pakistan, and some members to Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Syria. Make one a Turk too.

How would you win such a war? An occupation zone stretching from the Mediterranean to China? Not really, especially not after Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bombs, bombs and more bombs is the only way to hit back. But then you get more, more and more support from the areas affected. And eventually a lot of populations put their differences aside and united in their common hate.

This assumes the Militarized U.S> doesn't go the ther way and bring a whole new definition to SPecial Operations/black ops.

[VirginiaHistoryTeacher]

Originally Posted by SergeantHeretic

I think debates like this are important, because if we can learn to THINK the way the enemy thinks then we may be able to anticipate, and possibly PREVENT his attacks. and THAT is a very good think.

Basing off of the Islamic extremist mindset, would cities like Las Vegas or New Orleans be good targets, in addition to New York City and Tel Aviv? I'm trying to think in terms of wickedness that must be purged from the future global Caliphate. Heh.

[SergeantHeretic]

Originally Posted by VirginiaHistoryTeacher

Basing off of the Islamic extremist mindset, would cities like Las Vegas or New Orleans be good targets, in addition to New York City and Tel Aviv? I'm trying to think in terms of wickedness that must be purged from the future global Caliphate. Heh.

I am thinking in terms o,

"Look at me, pay attention to me, I am mighty, I am powerfull, do as I say or I wll hurt you even worse!"

Mindset. That is to say the mindset common to every terrorist I have ever heard of regardless of the religion their pay lip service to or the political ideology they claim to serve.

[deamy]

Originally Posted by SergeantHeretic

This assumes the Militarized U.S> doesn't go the ther way and bring a whole new definition to SPecial Operations/black ops.

Yes, that's the only sensible thing to do. A lot of sympathies and support from said countries would make that possible.

But how do you sell that approach to the public if New York is a smoking crater? People want revenge and they want it now. Considering it took 10 years to find Usama, I doubt people have the patience...

And what if the nuke is tied to someone in Saudi royal family? A son or nephew? The black helicopters won't get to pick him up in the night...

Originally Posted by VirginiaHistoryTeacher

Basing off of the Islamic extremist mindset, would cities like Las Vegas or New Orleans be good targets, in addition to New York City and Tel Aviv? I'm trying to think in terms of wickedness that must be purged from the future global Caliphate. Heh.

Why not? You get the US to go on a rampage (see my last post) if you hit any big city. Lot's of symbolism with Vegas too, it's probably regarded as the capital of sins like games and sex.

[VirginiaHistoryTeacher]

Originally Posted by SergeantHeretic

I am thinking in terms o,

"Look at me, pay attention to me, I am mighty, I am powerfull, do as I say or I wll hurt you even worse!"

Mindset. That is to say the mindset common to every terrorist I have ever heard of regardless of the religion their pay lip service to or the political ideology they claim to serve.

It seems like we've all reached a quasi-consensus. New York City, Houston, Tel Aviv as the top three in no particular order. Secondary possibilities would include San Diego, Washington, Chicago in no particular order...and let me just say Norfolk as well. Here in Virginia we have the largest naval base in the world.

I think they would also like to hit degenerate western culture targets like New Orleans and Las Vegas, but on a smaller scale, I can see them hitting the Pentagon again, this time to destroy it as much as possible, maybe even West Point or Annapolis just as symbolic "gravy" on an already deadly attack. The New York Stock Exchange comes to mind as a "smaller" target if you're not trying to level an entire city.

I also think about this too: what is one company that comes to mind when you think about American consumerism and gluttony? What business can you buy pretty much everything from in one trip? I'm thinking that terrorists may target individual Wal-Mart locations here in the States. Is this a crazy thought or is there something to this? I'm trying to dive into the dark mind of a monster wrapped in human flesh, so I'm interested as to your input. YOU specifically.

[SergeantHeretic]

Originally Posted by deamy

Yes, that's the only sensible thing to do. A lot of sympathies and support from said countries would make that possible.

But how do you sell that approach to the public if New York is a smoking crater? People want revenge and they want it now. Considering it took 10 years to find Usama, I doubt people have the patience...

And what if the nuke is tied to someone in Saudi royal family?



Why not? You get the US to go on a rampage (see my last post) if you hit any big city. Lot's of symbolism with Vegas too, it's probably regarded as the capital of sins like games and sex.

The problem is that most Terrorist organisations IOTL are not concerned with actually achieving their stated goals. If they were, there are much cheaper easier and faster ways to accomplish them.

They want money, power, and followers, and oh, yeah money.

So you do a few attacks that kill some folks every once in a aawhile and you coast on the rep of those to get people to follow you and/or give you money.

That's how Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the PLO, Hezbollah, and Al Qaida have done it and it's worked out for them pretty well until AQ actually DID an attack big enough to really anger us and were then essentially shattered the the U.S. response.

[VirginiaHistoryTeacher]

I also imagine the Statue of Liberty as a target and other meaningful sites and memorials. Let's not forget major political and sporting events. Every Super Bowl, World Series, presidential inauguration, Independence Day events throughout the country, Memorial Day events, etc. etc. etc.

[SergeantHeretic]

Originally Posted by VirginiaHistoryTeacher

It seems like we've all reached a quasi-consensus. New York City, Houston, Tel Aviv as the top three in no particular order. Secondary possibilities would include San Diego, Washington, Chicago in no particular order...and let me just say Norfolk as well. Here in Virginia we have the largest naval base in the world.

I think they would also like to hit degenerate western culture targets like New Orleans and Las Vegas, but on a smaller scale, I can see them hitting the Pentagon again, this time to destroy it as much as possible, maybe even West Point or Annapolis just as symbolic "gravy" on an already deadly attack. The New York Stock Exchange comes to mind as a "smaller" target if you're not trying to level an entire city.

I also think about this too: what is one company that comes to mind when you think about American consumerism and gluttony? What business can you buy pretty much everything from in one trip? I'm thinking that terrorists may target individual Wal-Mart locations here in the States. Is this a crazy thought or is there something to this? I'm trying to dive into the dark mind of a monster wrapped in human flesh, so I'm interested as to your input. YOU specifically.

You want the truth?

Then a terrorist would ignore big targets all together and start targeting and hitting Wally-worlds at seeming random. A campaign to make people think that without warning at any time, they could be buying spaghetios and Little debbies at their local Wally-world when KABOOM total disaster.

It would strike a much greater level of fear at a much baser level than just hitting one or two cities with a big bomb.

It would also be easier and cheaper and be hitting essentially soft targets with weapons they already have and know how to use.

[VirginiaHistoryTeacher]

Originally Posted by SergeantHeretic

You want the truth?

Then a terrorist would ignore big targets all together and start targeting and hitting Wally-worlds at seeming random. A campaign to make people think that without warning at any time, they could be buying spaghetios and Little debbies at their local Wally-world when KABOOM total disaster.

It would strike a much greater level of fear at a much baser level than just hitting one or two cities with a big bomb.

It would also be easier and cheaper and be hitting essentially soft targets with weapons they already have and know how to use.

Target will see an increase in revenue, if people even want to leave their homes. I feel like a Wal-Mart symbolizes America more than most other pop culture icons. They'd probably institute martial law in Bentonville around the headquarters if more than one got hit.

[SergeantHeretic]

Originally Posted by VirginiaHistoryTeacher

Target will see an increase in revenue, if people even want to leave their homes. I feel like a Wal-Mart symbolizes America more than most other pop culture icons. They'd probably institute martial law in Bentonville around the headquarters if more than one got hit.

Would not help, my mythical bad guys are after widespread panic and fear. To kill the American spirit by convincing us that we could not even pick up a perscription or buy a pair of Dickies without risking death or worse.

[VirginiaHistoryTeacher]

Originally Posted by SergeantHeretic

Would not help, my mythical bad guys are after widespread panic and fear. To kill the American spirit by convincing us that we could not even pick up a perscription or buy a pair of Dickies without risking death or worse.

Oil and retail would be the industries they would hit. Hitting a nuclear plant wouldn't instill enough fear nationwide. Hitting San Diego or Norfolk military installations would do more to prompt fear, because if they can rock one of our major bases, they can hit anything with probably more severity.

[SergeantHeretic]

Originally Posted by VirginiaHistoryTeacher

Oil and retail would be the industries they would hit. Hitting a nuclear plant wouldn't instill enough fear nationwide. Hitting San Diego or Norfolk military installations would do more to prompt fear, because if they can rock one of our major bases, they can hit anything with probably more severity.

Too hard to hit and their already on alert for that anyhow.

Trust me, if you REALLY want to do serious damage to the UNited States, you convince us that we do not dare even do something as simple as go shopping for FOOD AND MEDICINE!

[VirginiaHistoryTeacher]

Originally Posted by SergeantHeretic

Too hard to hit and their already on alert for that anyhow.

Trust me, if you REALLY want to do serious damage to the UNited States, you convince us that we do not dare even do something as simple as go shopping for FOOD AND MEDICINE!

So forget cities, it's all about targeting Wal-Marts nationwide. Stay away from malls around Christmas too right?

[SergeantHeretic]

Originally Posted by VirginiaHistoryTeacher

So forget cities, it's all about targeting Wal-Marts nationwide. Stay away from malls around Christmas too right?

Exactly, beauty part, they don't even need Nukes, hell they don't even need to smuggle weapons in. ALl they have to do is bring themselves and buy the bomb supplies at the very wal-mart they intend to bomb.

Hittim malls on Christmas would be a double whammy.

"I'm sorry, bob, your wife was shopping for Christiams at the Galleria when that bomb went off."

Are you scared yet?

See, I can be creepy too. >

[VirginiaHistoryTeacher]

Originally Posted by SergeantHeretic

Exactly, beauty part, they don't even need Nukes, hell they don't even need to smuggle weapons in. ALl they have to do is bring themselves and buy the bomb supplies at the very wal-mart they intend to bomb.

Hittim malls on Christmas would be a double whammy.

"I'm sorry, bob, your wife was shopping for Christiams at the Galleria when that bomb went off."

Are you scared yet?

See, I can be creepy too. >

So if the goal is TERROR and not a BODY COUNT and INFRASTRUCTURE DEVASTATION, it's Wal-Mart that we need to protect with our lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

[SergeantHeretic]

See, if I was a terrorist, I wouldn't NEED a nuclear weapon. I would not WANT a nuclear weapon. They're big, they're heavy, they're REALLY tough to hide and or move.

I would just go with what I know, conventional explosives and shrapnel bombs.

See, it's not the what, it's the where.

Shopping Malls, Wal-Marts, and all the places the "Infidel" shops. makes us too afraid to even function.

Imagine people watching their fod stores be consumed and watch their medicine supplies drop, and asking themselves,

"If I got to the store today, will I be killed or mained in another Wal-mart bomb?"

THAT is some terrorism for your @$$!

[SergeantHeretic]

Originally Posted by VirginiaHistoryTeacher

So if the goal is TERROR and not a BODY COUNT and INFRASTRUCTURE DEVASTATION, it's Wal-Mart that we need to protect with our lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.

They are called TERRORist, after all, aren't they?

[edvardas]

I think that the eco-agri terrorist target would be Texas City or wherever Monsanto is headquartered.