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Old June 17th, 2012, 12:05 AM
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Thanks! I was think a British abolitionist ousted from parliament.His name Wilbur Williamforce. Slave revolt maybe? But seriously anything is fine! Cheers
That sounds interesting, and fits in with my plans for Britain. Maybe a slightly more original name, though?

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Do you already have an idea of who my Viceroy will be, or do I get to pick?

And what are you're plans for Rufus King?
Yup, but I won't say yet, since he hasn't been in the story yet.

I'd say King might have died in the Great Revolution. I read his neighbors became jealous of him and burned down his farm during the Intolerable Acts. If not, he might become a Massachusetts Member of the House of Congress.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 12:25 AM
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Old June 17th, 2012, 12:29 AM
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Yup, but I won't say yet, since he hasn't been in the story yet.

I'd say King might have died in the Great Revolution. I read his neighbors became jealous of him and burned down his farm during the Intolerable Acts. If not, he might become a Massachusetts Member of the House of Congress.
So is he fictional, or historical? I hope historical

In that case, if you decide to have me run as PM in 1816 then have Jackson compromise between me (Whig) and Clay (Crown), I would like to request that Rufus King be my "running mate" as Viceroy in that election And I'm saying that on the assumption that a PM and a Viceroy usually run together as a party ticket. And if you choose to take that path.
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So is he fictional, or historical? I hope historical

In that case, if you decide to have me run as PM in 1816 then have Jackson compromise between me (Whig) and Clay (Crown), I would like to request that Rufus King be my "running mate" as Viceroy in that election And I'm saying that on the assumption that a PM and a Viceroy usually run together as a party ticket. And if you choose to take that path.
Historical!

I can do that.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 01:35 AM
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Historical!

I can do that.
Thanks And more speeches:

"Libertarians! I call out to you. Many question your loyalty to King Andrew. I do not. There is no doubt in my mind that Libertarians are as patriotic and America-loving as any Whig or Crown. You simply feel you need a guarantee of liberty under such a monarchy as we have. Now, I have known King Andrew for over a decade. Like I do not doubt your loyalty, there is no doubt in my mind that King Andrew would not subjugate you or take away any of our sacred rights. But I also know that the future is unpredictable, as many of you know. For the people who succeed Andrew, long may he reign, who knows what their disposition might be, or if they shall cherish liberty and freedom as much as our current King."

"And that is why I propose a Royal American Bill of Rights. Like its English cousin, this document, passed by our Congress and signed by Viceroy, Prime Minister, and King, would protect our three most basic human rights. A right to free speech, for if you cannot speak out for your own interests, the government you live under is not bearable, and is not fit for human beings to live under!"

"Freedom of religion, a right so hallowed and vital, yet so rare. Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, Jew, Deist, Atheist, and all are welcome here. Let no bigotry enter our glorious shores, for that is something of the Old World, and does not belong in the New! It is your right to practice your beliefs as you wish, and there is no power on this earth that can interfere in that."

"A right to trial by law; also an important right among civilization. It’s your right to have a trial by a judge in a court specializing in the law; not a military tribunal in front of soldiers who favor the death penalty for stealing a piece of bread; not a kangaroo court where the punishment is already made before the trial; no. I call for a promise to a trial by law, one where if you are accused of wrong, you are innocent until proven guilty, and if you are indeed found guilty, it will be by an elder judge who had dedicated his life to justice, or a jury of your peers who rule by consensus."

"These three sacred, basic, and unassailable rights are what is due to you; both Libertarian, and all American people. Like there is no doubt in my mind that our great King Andrew would never interfere with these rights, there is equally no doubt in my mind that he would accept this Royal American Bill of Rights as a consecrated agreement between men and King to ensure the rights of the American people after his death."

"I know this is what you libertarians want! And I know this is what I want, and what every American deserves! I promise on the ground I stand that if I become Prime Minister of this country, this document will become the law of the land, followed in every part of land where our King’s power is held sanctified. I am the candidate of reform, of change, of the future! Support me and the Whigs, and Libertarians, you will have your guarantee of basic rights untainted by King’s whims now and forever!”

-Hunter DeRensis in an 1816 speech in Augusta, Maine in front of a mainly Libertarian crowd



"The Anti-Masonic Party is a leech, slowly sucking the life blood out of our society. They are conspiracy theorists, believing in what they don’t understand. Like a child that is told it is too young to understand something, they scream and moan and cry for the answer to this thing. In this case, the ancient Order of the Masons."

"If they should ever gain power, they would start an American inquisition! The Masons would be persecuted, on a level not seen in modern times. All true Americans bash South Carolina and its terrible and indecent crimes against humanity. But the Anti-Masonic Party, they wish to join them! No, not persecuting Catholics, not persecuting so-called witches, but persecuting the Masons! They drink from the hellish oasis of blood that all those who hate their fellow human beings drink, and not only that, they wish to shove that drink of blood down the throats of the American people, whether they like it or not! Masons would be hung from the tallest trees, and their kind would be put on jumped up charges in kangaroo courts, and executed based on the flimsiest of evidence, if any is there at all. And who says they would stop at Masons? What would stop them from coming after you? Or you? Nothing, under their plans."

"They accuse the Masons of secretly hindering the government, and slowly taking it over. Now I will say for those of you at a disadvantage, as a man who has met King Andrew and known him for many years, there is not a man or organization on this planet Earth that could control or manipulate him. But these anti-Masons, they have so little faith in the monarchy that they believe that it could be taken over by a mere secret club! Such treacherous feelings have never before existed at such levels since the crowning of the monarchy! They accuse our King of incompetence, and believe he would actually support their unfounded inquisition into our country!"

"The Anti-Masonic Party is a blotch upon the thus far pure white sheet of the United Royal American States. Do not enlarge that spot by turning to them in your times of need, when you are at your weakest, because I promise they will prey on you. Instead, help me rid the country of this stain and cleanse the cloth of American liberty! Anti-Masons, I reach out to you! Think of the choices you are making, and turn back from the abyss before it is too late!"

"I swear on my life that if I am chosen to be Prime Minister, no group shall be singled out and shunned or persecuted! No man shall be judged based on his religious beliefs or adherence to a certain group. In my administration, if you are good at your job, you will keep your job. I will not play to groups by betraying others, for we are all Americans. I am the candidate of reform, of change, of the future. Support me and the Whig cause, and I promise that all Americans will be equally protected against the harm and brutality that is being faced by those of South Carolina."

-Hunter DeRensis in a speech in 1816 in Metropotamia
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A very nice look into the politics of the URAS. Certainly interesting figures that seem to be popping up all over the place (helped in part due to the neat fan contributions; nice speeches, Rooster). I find Mizz Sinclair's earlier opening for women into government a very interesting one. At least in this regard, the U.S. seems to be cautiously approaching a little bit of a more progressive tone than OTL for women's rights. Surely,too, her cult of personality probably rivals Jackson's at this stage in the game?

The two big political sluggers right now look like DeRensis and Dickens. Lots of miltiary experience, the both of them, and I think having them be friendly rivals in Congress could be interesting. I also see that Henry Clay's popped his head in to go potentially go for the gold of ruling a country; poor guy got shafted in OTL it's always seemed to me.

Calhoun as a dictator of South Carolina too, eh? That seems an oddly fitting choice. And a third Marion taking up the mantle on his death seems very strange. And witches? Talk about your strange internal enemies. Personally, I'd like to see an update sometime in regards to the southern republics a little bit more in depth, Napoleon. I'm kind of hoping that, someday ITTL, we'll have a republic somewhere that isn't totally bad...

Mizz Sinclair, too, becoming part of the Canadian royal family is a very concerning (for the URAS' northern neighbor, at least) development. If Jackson's not going out to add territories on the continent by the sword, well, there are certainly strong diplomatic and even personal union ties to bring them to heel, I suppose. Poor American kingdoms: so far from God and so close to Old Hickory.

And an Equalist Party, you say? Well, sir, you've given me an idea for that cameo. Here's what I've got. A lot of it's blank, but that's because I figure you can alter it to suit whatever needs you'd like.

The character, named Tighe McCandless, was born in the early 1800s to a Pennsylvanian mother and a Virginian father, the latter of whom made his fortune via a cotton plantation. His mother, lukewarm to the issue of slavery, would still often delight in teaching slave children religious stories, adopting a very maternalistic attitude toward their treatment (ala the 'white man's burden' in OTL); she'd have a deep effect on how his later policies would run. His father, on the other hand, could at times be very cruel. The execution of a slave for a minor offense in his youth turned him against slavery, with McCandless often remarking later it went to show him how morally bankrupt the enterprise was. Though it made him next to destitute in his early 20s, when he inherited the plantation after their deaths by drowning in a boating accident, he freed the family slaves.

The next few years of his life were spent from one odd job to the next. Eventually, however, he proved an aptitude at managing the finances of various businesses and administration. Having to crawl back from a near economic catastrophe gave him a deep appreciation for the poor. This, in turn, is what began to sour his opinion of the new monarchy in Philadelphia and the great divide between Virginia's new aristocracy and the destitute. When the Equalist Party formed after King Andrew's coronation, he'd be one of the first to join, and would become a long time critic of the man and his governments. Ironic, given his later accomplishments.

Eventually, at some point, he catches the eye of a government official, who's impressed with his work at a business and his offered the chance to go over and help a fledgling colony. Applying a similar work ethic and determination as he did in Virginia, he manages to rise through the ranks and become, eventually, the colony's administrator.

This leads to the formulation of the 'McCandless Doctrine' of colonialism/imperialism: making sure that many of the profits made from the colony do not solely go back to the mother country, and in instead are managed to return (a least a little) to the ruled locals. This generally hands off approach to local affairs, while allowing natives to become officials and pull themselves up in American-ruled society, leads to said colony becoming a prosperous example to the crown of the 'proper' way to run one.

Despite this, frictions exist. He was often contrary to orders given from Philadelphia, sometimes for the sake of being argumentative, though at times his judgment did save conflicts with natives from exploding (once famously stating, to Philadelphia's representative at the time: "I apologize, Sir, for having disobeyed the King's orders. But I do not apologize for being right to have done otherwise.") Despite these successes, scandals rocked his reputation at the time for having become romantically involved with a native woman, which made him a political embarrassment to Philadelphia, who quietly let him go. He spent the rest of his life, once again, in obscurity, though his policies are often praised as forward thinking and just by later historians and imperialists.
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May I - by "I" I mean, of course, Sir Marcus A. Dickens, of Boston and any future holdings and titles that the King (read: Napoleon53 ) sees fit to grant me - join you, sir, at your side in the great quest to defend the American way?

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Okay, Rooster, that was epic. The only thing I spotted was "kangaroo courts." Don't you mean le "kangourou court?"

@Nevermore: Hey, they're radical Calvinist hillbillies that just got the stuffing beaten out of them in a seven year conflict. They need SOMEONE to kick around.

The Republic of Rio Grande is a decent place, but Chihuahua is about to take a radically different turn.

I like that character a lot! He makes sense. One thing: I doubt he would get colonial power being a member of the Equality Party. The Equality Party members are loathed. Jackson is basically a racist just like OTL and if McCandless broke any rules as administrator/governor of a colony, Andy would use it as an excuse to get him executed.
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May I - by "I" I mean, of course, Sir Marcus A. Dickens, of Boston and any future holdings and titles that the King (read: Napoleon53 ) sees fit to grant me - join you, sir, at your side in the great quest to defend the American way?

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It would be an honor Sir Dickens! Actually, I do have an opening for a Lord Secretary of the Navy starting in 1824, to extremely expand the Navy and dominate the waterways of the world. Are you interested in the position?

Thanks Nevermore and Napoleon And I really couldn't think of any other word than kangaroo court Now with a platform and speeches like those, how can the Whigs not be the dominant party?
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I like that character a lot! He makes sense. One thing: I doubt he would get colonial power being a member of the Equality Party. The Equality Party members are loathed. Jackson is basically a racist just like OTL and if McCandless broke any rules as administrator/governor of a colony, Andy would use it as an excuse to get him executed.
Many thanks, sir. As I said: you're absolutely free to change whatever details you'd like. Doesn't really matter much to me, and to be honest, I did have a feeling that sort of thing probably wouldn't fly. But I did at least want to try to have that irony of an empire-builder not too fond of the people he's technically building the empire for.

I assume that Jackson's not as bad of a racist as he was in OTL, considering that the Native Americans near and within the URAS' borders remain unmolested (for now, at least...).

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It's an Anglicized form of the Irish/Scotch name Tadgh, which means 'poet' (or, alternatively 'handsome'; I've seen both given as explanations). It's pronounced like 'Ty' in English.

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There was a Star Wars guy in Battlefront named Tighe Bodalla.

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I assume that Jackson's not as bad of a racist as he was in OTL, considering that the Native Americans near and within the URAS' borders remain unmolested (for now, at least...).
Oh, they were driven out for the most part. I think I mentioned it once a good while back. Any tribes that were allied to the British in any of the wars you can count on being wiped out or moved out. I'm pretty sure I mentioned forced Westernization. Can't remember for sure, though. Still, their treatment is better in the URAS than in Louisiana or the Southron republics.
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It would be an honor Sir Dickens! Actually, I do have an opening for a Lord Secretary of the Navy starting in 1824, to extremely expand the Navy and dominate the waterways of the world. Are you interested in the position?

Thanks Nevermore and Napoleon And I really couldn't think of any other word than kangaroo court Now with a platform and speeches like those, how can the Whigs not be the dominant party?
I'll take it, my liege. Rule America, America rules the waves!

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Politics During and After the Second Seven Years' War

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United Royal American States

During the Second Seven Years' War, war may have raged, but politics continued as usual. The URAS, still an infant nation despite its vast empire, was beginning to have a wave of post-Revolution political leaders that would shape the country's destiny. Most of them belonged to one of the following parties:
  • The Crown Party
  • The Whig Party
  • The Libertarian Party
  • The Anti-Masonic Party
As well as a few crackpot parties:
  • The Equality Party
  • The Absolutist Party
  • The Socialist Party

The Crown Party boasted it claimed 70% of the URAS population as supporters. It's ideals were complete loyalty to the king, territorial expansion and the subjugation of "less fortunate" neighboring countries, the taking of colonies, and a strong free market economy.

The Whig Party had perhaps 12% of citizens at its zenith. It's ideals were loyalty to the king as long as he didn't act above the Constitution, high tariffs, and the improvement of infrastructure, such as roads and canals. The Whigs were nicknamed "Highrollers" for their "luxurious carriages" and the tendency to be the richest of society. They were accused of wasting money improving "infrastructure," with their enemies saying they wanted to build extravagant roads "connecting backwater frontier towns." Humorously, Whig supporters named an Illinoia town along the Mississippi River "Backwater." Then, the popular put-down became the claim that the Whigs "build bridges to nowhere." Equally humorously, the Whigs built a bridge to Nowhere, Sylvania, enabling supporters to approve of the condemnations as truth.

The Libertarian Party was popular only in northern New England and North Ontario during and directly following the Second Seven Years' War. While the Libertarians claimed to be loyal to Andrew, they were for maximum freedom, almost anarchy, detested ideas of new military expansion, were mostly open deists and atheists, and hated slavery.

The Anti-Masonic Party was an offshoot of the Crown Party founded in 1815. Very few disagreements separated the two monarchist groups from being one and the same. The Anti-Masonic Party believed in loyalty to the crown, but opposed any and all members of the Masonic organization, which it claimed had secret control of numerous government officials. They were seen as extremists, but supposedly, both William Harrison and Henry Clay sympathized with them.

The Equality Party was a far-right group claiming that slavery and monarchy was prohibited by the New Testament. They had a few fairly well-known members, but most of them were hated. From 1810 to 1820, over 200 known members of the Equality Party were lynched and murdered.

The Absolutist Party was the most rabidly monarchist group in the URAS. Even Andrew publicly dismissed them as imbeciles. They claimed the king should be given supreme and absolute control over everyone and everything in the country. They criss-crossed the country, preaching the Divine Right of Kings. There was never any known violence against them, but they were considered mad, and had almost no supporters.





1) Grand Duke John had just begun his political career after his 1808 coming-of-age. At 16, he delved into military and Congressional matters like an eager beaver. In 1809, he represented the United Royal American States at the London Peace Talks. He was a smooth talker and had a winning personality, and became good friends with Louis Joseph, the 28 year-old Dauphin of France, who represented France. However, he detested Louis-Charles, the 24 year-old second son of Louis XVI.


2) Duchess Gwendolyn Sinclair was, in an era of male domination, a rare exception. As Andrew Jackson's personal friend and quite possibly the reason he sat on the throne, she was viewed by the politicians something like how the Greeks viewed the Oracle; consultation was considered one of the best things one could do. In 1803, Jones married General Morys Sinclair, who later, due to valiant service holding off Bonaparte's encroachments along the Mississippi, was given the title of Duke of Leesburg, North Carolina. However, he died of pneumonia in 1808 while on campaign against the forces of John Calhoun, during the waning months of the Second Seven Years', and Duchess Sinclair herself led the local militia forces in a daring defense of the border. She became the first American woman to be given the title Honourary General by the House of Congress. Her visit to Muskogee was instrumental in getting that country to join the URAS. She also led the American delegation at the London Peace Talks and was instrumental in procuring independence for Lower Canada. For this, she was declared the first Viscountess of the Kingdom of Canada, essentially making her King Anselm's adopted daughter.


3) Minister of the House Sir Henry Clay, thanks to the horrible death of Viceroy Henry Dearborn in 1808 during a wolf hunt-gone-wrong, was chosen to be the next viceroy. When Harrison reached his term limit as Prime Minister in 1816, it was Clay who then became Prime Minister, with Duke DeRensis as Viceroy. Clay was a magnificent speaker and known for his fiery oratory, which could go on without objection for hours. He was knighted in 1809, upon the institution of knights in the URAS.


4) The elegant Sir Marcus Augustus Dickens was a native of Boston, and was known for his cheeky sense of humor and excellent manners with the ladies, and was called "The Dandy" by friends and foes alike. He was originally a captain in the URASMC, and through heroic actions at the Battle of Trafalgar, where he ran British captain Stephen Dye through with a saber and then proceeded to keep 30 wounded sailors alive by carrying them one-by-one across rocking boarding ramps from the British ships to the American ships, was awarded two Legion of Honour medals (for heroic risk to life and limb beyond the call of duty), the Copper Eagle (for over 100 enemy kills), the Star of Franklin (for excellence of character), five Legion of Sacrifice medals (for wounds received at Trafalgar and in North Africa during the Barbary Subjugation), the Siver Star of Boston (awarded by the lord mayor of Boston in commemoration of a lifetime of service to the city), the North Africa Campaign Ribbon, Illinoia Campaign Ribbon, the Trafalgar Medallion, and was one of the founding members of the Order of the Blue Sash, an order of Bostonian Knights. He was also awarded the Iron Cross by Friedrich Wilhelm III during a diplomatic visit to Prussia.


5) Duke Hunter DeRensis was, of course, a Marine veteran of the North Africa Campaign and Barbary Subjugation. He was in one of the first batches of officers born during and after the Revolution. He was 30 in 1808, when he led one of the American armies against Wellington in the final battles for Quebec and was there when Wellington turned his sword over to Duke Anthony Wayne. He was declared Duke of Winterfell, Pennsylvania, in 1805, just before he met both President Bonaparte of Louisiana and King David of Kaintuck at the Treaty of Tylzasippi. Duke DeRensis became Viceroy of the URAS in 1816 at age 38, with Sir Henry Clay as Prime Minister. In 1824, DeRensis became Prime Minister himself at age 46. DeRensis was awarded the North Africa Campaign Ribon, the Lower Canada Campaign Ribbon, the Illinoia Campaign Ribbon, North Carolina Campaign Ribbon, the Gold Cord (Commandant of the URASMC), the Legion of Honour (for heroic risk of life and limb beyond the call of duty), the Star of Franklin (for excellence of character), the Gold Eagle of Victory (being one of the commanding officers present at the surrender of the final hostiles in North America during the Second Seven Years'), and the Siege of Constantinople Dagger (presented by the Holy Roman government for his aid in taking the Ottoman capital; it was mainly a ceremonial award, as DeRensis had only been a 12 year-old drummer at the time).


6) Sir Eberhard Rueck was an East Prussia-born 25-year-old immigrant to America in 1796, and had arrived just in time to ride on Andrew I's coattails. As a sergeant in the regiments who participated in the 4th of November Coup, when Andrew overthrew the Republican government with the blessing of the dying Thomas Paine, Rueck witnessed firsthand Jackson's mesmerizing cult personality, and later was a member of the elite Royal Legion's cavalry. He was a 35 year-old captain who moved the crowd aside at the coronation in the freezing cold. Despite this, he declared it the proudest day of his life. When a wound at the Battle of Mcglohon's Swamp (1807) made his left leg paralyzed, he was honorably discharged from the Legion and took up politics, was knighted in 1810, and became Governor of Pennsylvania in 1816.


7) Andrew Franklin Adams, born John Quincy Adams, was the son of Sons of Liberty member John Adams. Born in 1767, he got to be a firsthand witness of much of the Great Revolution, and later said he was disgusted with his father and the Sons in general. He joined the Fraternity of Freedom, and was a Republican Guard during the 4th of November Coup. However, he was one of only two guards to surrender, the other being William Orne, who was later executed. John Quincy then read what Andrew had to say and changed his republicanism to monarchism, even going so far as to change his name to Andrew Franklin Adams to disassociate himself from his father and his old military record. Adams then entered politics and was the Governor of Massachusetts Bay for the entire duration of the Second Seven Years' War.

South Carolina

In South Carolina, there were no parties. There was only Calvinist zealots preaching hellfire and brimstone. The increasingly radical dictatorship made even Georgia back off slightly after the Second Seven Years' ended. Some European countries, especially the Catholic ones, refused to recognize the South Carolinian government as legitimate after President-for-life "Jackboot" Johnny Calhoun ordered the massacres of over 1000 Catholics in the southern regions and demanded citizens report any "suspicious Papist activity" that their neighbors might be involved in. Calhoun went on to say that the Catholics were in a plot to kill him. The No Popery Massacres of 1812, as they came to be called, made the "enlightened" URAS furious, and Louisiana threatened to sail over and "put out Carolinian Calvinists' lights." The War of 1812 was narrowly avoided when Calhoun died of a heart attack at age 30 the same year.



1) John Caldwell Calhoun was the young third dictator of South Carolina, succeeding Francis Marion II, the "Second Swamp Fox," in 1806. He was personally selected by Marion II, who died of throat cancer. Calhoun was a brutal tyrant who "had a library consisting of Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, and only select parts of the first half of the Bible." Under "Jackboot Johnny Scaldwell," South Carolina's printing presses became government issued, and those who did not have a license who used printing presses were hanged. Those who publicly suggested South Carolina's government might be too brutal were shot. Those who were accused of monarchism were thrown in jail. In Franklinburg, a massive prison was created solely to house debtors. Those who did not hang the Stripes-and-Serpent banner in front of their house on national holidays were fined $50. Those who did not have a flag were ordered to report to the nearest law enforcement building to get one free. Even when South Carolina lost the Second Seven Years', he remained in power, and his diplomats at the Peace of London were the most mulishly stubborn about concessions, even going so far as demanding Andrew hand over North Carolina. Gwendolyn Sinclair then put the South Carolinians in their places in an explosive argument. Calhoun died of cardiac arrest in 1812 during an angry tirade at his general staff. He was dead before he hit the floor at the age of only 30. He was especially known for premature aging, with acquaintances claiming he looked 50 when he was 28.


2) Francis Marion III was the successor of Calhoun and the son of Francis Marion II, but he was far more like Calhoun. It was said that Calhoun was like the older brother he never had, and after Calhoun died, he married his widow, Alice Bogart, and treated Calhoun's children, Jacob Machiavelli, Charles Luther, Boudicca Carolina, William Wallace, and John Calvin, all as his own, and began training John Calvin Calhoun to take over upon his death. The brutal policies continued, but switched from a focus on Catholics to witches and warlocks. "Evidently," snarked Andrew sarcastically, "South Carolina is just stuffed to the rafters with witches and Satanists." The medieval purges continued, and preacher-soldiers marched around the "Democracy" seeking out witches. Over 500 people were condemned to death by hanging in the first year of President Marion III's administration.

Kingdom of Canada


1) King Anselm I was a general in the Quebecois Rebellion and was present when Wellington handed over his sword to Wayne. When the Peace of London gave Quebec and Lower Canada independence as the Kingdom of Canada, and set up an election to choose a monarch, Anselm Daudet was a shoe-in. He won with a massive 91% of the 1810 vote, his only competition being his old comrade Noel Esnault, who became Ministre in the new kingdom. In appreciation of her efforts to give his country independence at the Peace of London, Anselm declared Duchess Sinclair Viscountess of Canada, essentially making her his daughter-he-never-had. Eventually, Sinclair, whose husband had died during the war, married Anselm's only son, Sylvestre. This put her two heartbeats away from the Canadian Throne. Anselm was an old-school Frenchman. He immediately started work on a palace in Quebec, along with a Parliament Building. Then, he reformed the army and procured uniforms from the Holy Roman Empire. The uniforms were dyed a light blue, but his own uniform and those of his generals were akin to the color and design of the URASMC, which in turn copied the style of Russia.


2) Grand Duke Sylvestre I was the only child of Anselm I, an admirer of Andrew, and a veteran of the American army, in which he had fought under Duke DeRensis to liberate his homeland. In late 1810, he married Duchess Sinclair, who was already honorary viscountess. It was the first intermarriage between North American nobility. Sylvestre was 39 at the time, one year younger than Sinclair, who then became Grand Duchess Gwendoline. Gwendolyn's children Andrew Hickory Sinclair and Catherine Romanov Sinclair then became the Royal Children of Canada, under the French names André and Cateline. Slyvestre was installed as first Grand Marshal of the Army, and played a key role in making sure Canada would be able to defend itself if ever attacked.


3) Ministre Noel Esnault was the man Anselm ran against and defeated handily in the election for king. Esnault had been a major in the Quebec militia, and had led bands of Francophone rebels against Wellington's troops in the wilderness of Lower Canada, where it was said Esnault became a taker of scalps, something which hurt his reputation. Nonetheless, he was appointed Ministre by Anselm in 1810, and kept the position until his death in 1820 at age 63.


Free City of St. Louis



1) Joseph Bonaparte, Généralissime de Saint-Louis, was the older brother of Louisiana President Napoleon Bonaparte, and had been the first Buonaparte to his Anglicize his name (originally Giuseppe Buonaparte), due to his success as a Mississippi riverboat tycoon. Joseph had built the Casa Buonaparte in New Orleans City in 1791, a massive palatial estate, but he left it to his sisters and their extended family when the Treaty of Tylzasippi (1805) offered him the position of Generalissimo of Saint Louis. The Corsican-American became absolute monarch of the small Francophone city-state. While it may have been small, it was hugely important, as emphasized by its famous "Three Rivers" flag, symbolizing the confluence of the Mississippi, Missouri, and Meramec Rivers all at St. Louis. The coat-of-arms adopted by Joseph was a red cardinal on a white shield, the best-known symbol of the city. Under his reign and wise economic, the Free City boomed. He had married Chastity Chrysler in 1791, heir to a vast fortune in Philadelphia created by her father Christian Charles Chrysler's ship-making company. Joseph couldn't wait for the old man to "keel" over and "hoist the sails" so Chrysler's ships could be made solely to increase the size of St. Louis' fleet and the government-owned St. Louis Trading Company. When C. C. Chrysler died in 1813, that was exactly what happened, and by 1820, the St. Louis Trading Company's vessels were in most ports in North and South America.


2) Gabriel Bonaparte, 1st Prince of St. Louis and Grand Marshal of the Army, was the eldest son of Joseph Bonaparte. Born in 1791, he was an 18 year-old future absolute monarch when the Peace of London occurred, and also an extremely inexperienced Grand Marshal of the Army of St. Louis, simply because of who he was, and was the youngest general in North American history, even if the army was small. He had a keen interest in political matters, and often went on trips to New Orleans City to learn from his uncle, President Napoleon. He was a large contrast to his younger brother, Charles.


3) Charles Bonaparte, 2nd Prince of St. Louis, was born in 1792, the second and final child of Joseph and Chastity Bonaparte. He had served one year in the Louisiana Army and then became more interested in books. He became a poet and novelist, and the author of one of the most popular books of his time at the age of only 18, The Modern Prometheus, about a crazed scientist named Vittorio de Franco trying to bring dead corpses back to life in Ajaccio, Corsica (original home of the Buonparte family). The creature Franco creates then breaks loose and kills Franco's family and torments his mind for years before eventually chasing the scientist to Dolleyland (then a new URAS territory in the far north of former British Canada). This book was immensely popular, and even the Duke of Wellington claimed to have read and enjoyed it; Andrew I claimed it was his favorite novel ever. Charles seldom wore military attire like his brother and father, and was usually gone from St. Louis itself touring the world and writing more books.



4) Chastity Chrysler, Consort of St. Louis, was the wife of Joseph and the mother of Gabriel and Charles Bonaparte. A Catholic and the heir to a vast fortune, she was a very good choice for Joseph. As Consort she had very little power, and to ascend to the throne her husband and two sons would have to die first, but she was an excellent "mascot" and diplomat, and was St. Louis' Ambassador to the URAS on-and-off for her entire reign.


Grand Duchy of Ontario



1) Grand Duke Louis I, (Luigi Buonaparte), was the constitutional monarch of Ontario and a member of the Bonaparte/Buonaprte Family. He had been given the position at the age of 31 by the Peace of London and the breakup of British Canada. He had married Priscilla McGuire, a Scots-Irish Protestant and self-claimed cousin of Andrew I, in 1800, who eventually turned him into a Baptist (1805). He had a large amount of power, but due to the size of his country, had a Prime Minister and Congress, though he "changes prime ministers as he does his clothes, and tries to get by with absolutism in the meantime." He was a staunch advocate of religious liberty and believed conscription the best way to ensure the country would prosper. Thus, every male citizen over the age of 16 was required to serve at least one year in the Ontario Army.


2) Priscilla McGuire, Grand Duchess of Ontario, was the wife of Jerome Bonaparte. A staunch Baptist, she was determined to convert Jerome from "Papist" to Baptist, and eventually succeeded. With their children William (1801), Christina (1803), and Benjamin (1804) so young, she was next-in-line to the throne of the country for many years. She detested her Catholic brother-and-sister-in-laws and was their least-favorite family member, no matter how much Jerome loved her.

Principality of New Brunswick



1) Lucien I, of the House of Bonaparte, Prince of New Brunswick, was another Bonaparte brother placed on a throne by the power of the URAS. Originally New Brunswick, the union of Madawaska and New Brunswick, was to also be reigned over by Andrew, making him King of the United Royal American States and Prince of New Brunswick, but the people said they had a stronger nationality and did not want to be basically a state in the URAS without a governor or representatives in the House of Congress. Thus, the country was leaderless and controlled by the military for quite a few years, until finally Lucien, the last Bonaparte brother not a noble besides Napoleon, was chosen to be constitutional monarch in 1810. It was convenient, as he had already been living there for several years operating a fur company outpost for his brother Joseph. He was a self-proclaimed Deist, so most of the Protestant population did not care about his Catholic past, and the Catholic citizens claimed him as one of their own. In 1805, he married Lucille Arnold, Great Revolution hero, moderate, and Fraternity of Freedom founder Benedict Arnold's daughter, who happened to be helping her then-64 year-old father run a shipping company in St. John, New Brunswick's capital. In 1808, their daughter Letizia was born, named after Lucien and his siblings' mother, Letizia Ramolino Buonaparte. Lucien did not get along well with Napoleon, but had a close relationship with his former employer Joseph, with whose help he had amassed a sizable personal fortune.


2) Lucille Arnold Bonaparte, Princess Consort of New Brunwick, was the daughter of Connecticut General Benedict Arnold and wife of Lucien Bonaparte. Her father had essentially vanished from the public eye during the Reign of Horror, and had gone to St. John to try out being a tradesman. Lucille then met the dashing Lucien operating a fur company for his brother Joseph. As the Princess Consort, she was powerless, but had a taste for architecture and a large hand in the shaping of the look of St. John, which became one of the nicest cities in all of former British Canada.


3) Levi Lincoln, Sr., the first Prime Minister of New Brunswick, was actually an American from Massachusetts' Maine district who had been a hero during the "War for New Brunswick Independence." He brought many former Tories and Loyalists into the fold and helped end the New Brunswick Rebellion of 1812.


The New Brunswick Loyalist Association was the primary pro-British revanchist organization during the New Brunswick Rebellion of 1812, which was brutally crushed by Lucien I with the help of a URAS-provided army at the Battles of St. John and Franklinton. The short-lived Association all but disappeared when thirty of their leaders, mainly angry British officers, under General Barnabas Griffith, who had refused to surrender after the Peace of London were hanged at one time in St. John, in a place which then became known as Gallows Square. The brutal examples set deterred any further noteworthy resistance.

Still not done! This is now one of my favorite sections so far.
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New chapter in above post! Don't miss it.

Okay, here's a run-down on the last chapter (I'll put Jerome Bonaparte of Wataga in the next update; I need to come up with a Wataga flag):

Gwendolyn Jones + Morys Sinclair = Andrew Hickory and Catherine Romanov Sinclair. Gwendolyn Jones + Sylvestre I = Andre and Cataline

Carlo Buonaparte + Letizia Ramolino = Joseph, Napoleon, Lucien, Elisa, Louis, Pauline, Caroline, Jerome.

Joseph + Chastity Chrysler = Gabriel and Charles

Lucien + Lucille Arnold = Letizia

I'll probably need to maintain family trees to start mapping out North American nobility. This is gonna be awesome!

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Great update, emperor!

And an off-topic, borderline derp question: what exactly is the Lemur Insurrection or whatever it's called?

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I like that update!

Though tell me, Napoleon, why so many Napoleons?

I jest, I jest. So is Anslem more along the lines of an absolutist who has the PM dancing on a string?
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I did not expect that. Well done. I'm now royalty, and a future Queen. And my children are legally adopted, right? Can succeed to the throne?
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That sounds interesting, and fits in with my plans for Britain. Maybe a slightly more original name, though?
That took me hours to come up with I'm leading a slave revolt so ... Spartacus? JKS aside Rhys Gareth. I'm Welsh
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That took me hours to come up with I'm leading a slave revolt so ... Spartacus? JKS aside Rhys Gareth. I'm Welsh
Great! Another Welsh person in this tale.
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