Retrospective US Presidential Election Results Thread

[Turquoise Blue]

To summarize Abhakhazia's post...

Underlined is major party

1796-1820: Federalist/Democratic-Republican
1824-1832: National Republican/Democratic
1840-1852: Whig/Liberty/Democratic
1856-1872: Republican/Democratic
1876-1876: Republican/Greenback/Democratic
1880-1884: Republican/Greenback/Democratic
1888-1896: Republican/Democratic
1900-1908: Socialist/Republican/Democratic
1912-1924: Progressive/Socialist/Republican/Democratic
1928-1996: Democratic/Republican
2000-20??.: Democratic/Republican/Green

[Wendell]

Originally Posted by Deano1001

I'm kind of excited to write a detailed long ATL of TTL.

You will have quite a feat ahead of you. Has it been established whether or not the electoral college and FPTP must survive in this timeline?

[Stolengood]

Originally Posted by Evan

because I plan to vote for whichever one of Bush or Perot is leading against Clinton. (We need to end the one-party executive!)

Vote for Perot! He needs your vote!

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

To summarize Abhakhazia's post...

Underlined is major party

1796-1820: Federalist/Democratic-Republican
1824-1832: National Republican/Democratic
1840-1852: Whig/Liberty/Democratic
1856-1872: Republican/Democratic
1876-1876: Republican/Greenback/Democratic
1880-1884: Republican/Greenback/Democratic
1888-1896: Republican/Democratic
1900-1908: Socialist/Republican/Democratic
1912-1928: Progressive/Socialist/Republican/Democratic
1928-1996: Democratic/Republican
2000-20??.: Democratic/Republican/Green

I'm not sure the Democrats deserve to be called a major party until 1928.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I'm not sure the Democrats deserve to be called a major party until 1928.

Grover Cleveland, remember? And the one after him, William Jennings Bryan, is a Populist, so they might win an election, or at least get enough to be a major party.

[Dean501]

Originally Posted by Wendell

You will have quite a feat ahead of you. Has it been established whether or not the electoral college and FPTP must survive in this timeline?

IIRC Nerdlinger said that there will be some type of TL competition after this. Or maybe we can do it collaboratively.

[Evan]

Originally Posted by Deano1001

I'm kind of excited to write a detailed long ATL of TTL.

Originally Posted by Deano1001

IIRC Nerdlinger said that there will be some type of TL competition after this. Or maybe we can do it collaboratively.

Yes - I'd be very excited to write one too!

I've even got a title: The Slaughterers of Butterflies: A Retroverse TL

[JSmith]

Originally Posted by Abhakhazia

On the Party systems.....

1. The Democratic-Republican party emerges as opposition to the Federalists. Both slowly erode.
2. The conservative wing of the DR Party becomes the Democratic Party, the rest with most Federalists becomes the National Republicans and then Whigs. Strong anti-slavery movements occur. The Democrats become a minor party. The Liberty Party comes off the Whigs, The Free Soilers off the Democrats. The Democrats become a tiny party. The most Whigs either become Liberties or Free Soilers. The remainder becomes the Know Nothing Party.
3. The Liberties and the Free Soilers unite under John Fremont and the new Republican Party, winning in the Landslide of 1856. The Republican Party has almost no opposition until about 1870 when a liberal group called the Greebacks present opposition. The Democrats continue to shrink.
4. The Greenback Party splits into the Progressives and the Socialists, on far left, the other centre-left. The Republicans slide toward Conservatism and weaken slightly. The economic crash also crashes the Socialist, and the Progressives who it happened under, leading them to the tiny, weak Democratic Party.
5. The Democrats swing with their new members to the left, dominating politics for 6 straight terms. The new Democrats, former Socialist Al Smith and former Progressive Franklin Roosevelt, fix the economy and progress under the Second World War, bringing America to victory. The Republicans suffered only gaining the Presidency under war hero Dwight D. Eisenhower, who barely won against popular Illinois senator Adlai Stevenson. The Democrats continue to win after severly bashing the former VP Richard Nixon three times, 2 of the three were very close until popular Michigan Senator Gerald Ford secures himself a term. After that, it looks like the Democrats will continue to dominate American politics, but there were serious challenges from the independent Ross Perot and the Republican George Bush, Snr.

This blurb is a great overview for a timeline.

[snerfuplz]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I'm not sure the Democrats deserve to be called a major party until 1928.

This could be useful for any future TL. One could have the Democrats only begin to win votes by fusing with the old Socialist Party and Progressive Party.

[OAM47]

This is my best guess for 1876. Granted, I gave prohibition states for fun, really, and they could go rep. Greenbacks can lose 4 EV before it gets thrown to the house.

[snerfuplz]

The rule of thumb should be Prohibition states are hard to achieve with large immigrant populations because they frowned upon the concept

[Abhakhazia]

Originally Posted by Deano1001

I'm kind of excited to write a detailed long ATL of TTL.

Well, my post will help you out. I'd love if I could collebrate.

[Abhakhazia]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

To summarize Abhakhazia's post...

Underlined is major party

1796-1820: Federalist/Democratic-Republican
1824-1832: National Republican/Democratic
1840-1852: Whig/Liberty/Democratic
1856-1872: Republican/Democratic
1876-1876: Republican/Greenback/Democratic
1880-1884: Republican/Greenback/Democratic
1888-1896: Republican/Democratic
1900-1908: Socialist/Republican/Democratic
1912-1928: Progressive/Socialist/Republican/Democratic
1928-1996: Democratic/Republican
2000-20??.: Democratic/Republican/Green

Not really. It was for my own party system back there.
For a long time Democrats were the Constitution Party equivalent- standing on the right, not doing much, until the collapse of the SP and PP, which slammed them left.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Wendell

You will have quite a feat ahead of you. Has it been established whether or not the electoral college and FPTP must survive in this timeline?

I don't think either of those necessarily have to survive in a TL based on the election results, but if you wanted say to have IRV elections in your TL you'd probably have to skew the results on some of them. Then again, unless you plan to personally ask everyone what their 2nd, 3rd, etm. choices would have been in each retrospective election, you're going to have to take some liberties with them anyway if you're gonna go IRV.

[QuoProQuid]

Originally Posted by OAM47

This is my best guess for 1876. Granted, I gave prohibition states for fun, really, and they could go rep. Greenbacks can lose 4 EV before it gets thrown to the house.

My version of the map:



After realizing that the election is on course to the House, a Prohibition Elector in New Hampshire defects to the Greenbacks. Electoral College reform gets pushed through as a consequence.

[Glen]

1789 - George Washington (Non-Partisan)
1792 - George Washington (Non-Partisan)
1796 - John Adams (Federalist)
1800 - John Adams (Federalist)
1804 - Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1808 - Charles Pinckney (Federalist)
1812 - James Madison (Democratic-Republican)
1816 - Rufus King (Federalist)
1820 - DeWitt Clinton (Independent)
1824 - John Quincy Adams (National-Republican)
1828 - John Quincy Adams (National-Republican)
1832 - Henry Clay (National Republican)
1836 - Daniel Webster (Whig)
1840 - James Birney (Liberty)
1844 - Henry Clay (Whig)
1848 - Gerrit Smith (Liberty)
1852 - Winfield Scott (Whig)
1856 - John Fremont (Republican)
1860 - Abraham Lincoln (Republican)
1864 - Abraham Lincoln (Republican)
1868 - Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1872 - Ulysses Grant (Republican)
1876 - Peter Cooper (Greenback)

1900 - Eugene Debs (Socialist)
1904 - Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1908 - Eugene Debs (Socialist)
1912 - Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1916 - Charles Hughes (Republican)
1920 - Eugene Debs (Socialist)
1924 - Robert La Follette (Progressive)
1928 - Al Smith (Democrat)
1932 - Franklin Roosevelt (Democrat)
1936 - Franklin Roosevelt (Democrat)
1940 - Franklin Roosevelt (Democrat)
1944 - Franklin Roosevelt (Democrat)
1948 - Harry Truman (Democrat)
1952 - Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
1956 - Dwight Eisenhower (Republican)
1960 - John Kennedy (Democrat)
1964 - Lyndon Johnson (Democrat)
1968 - Hubert Humphrey (Democrat)
1972 - George McGovern (Democrat)
1976 - Gerald Ford (Republican)
1980 - James Carter (Democrat)
1984 - Walter Mondale (Democrat)
1988 - Michael Dukakis (Democrat)

[Abhakhazia]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

I don't think either of those necessarily have to survive in a TL based on the election results, but if you wanted say to have IRV elections in your TL you'd probably have to skew the results on some of them. Then again, unless you plan to personally ask everyone what their 2nd, 3rd, etm. choices would have been in each retrospective election, you're going to have to take some liberties with them anyway if you're gonna go IRV.

Also, it'd be a lot easier to just have a TL with the winning candidates than the winning and losing candidates.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Abhakhazia

Also, it'd be a lot easier to just have a TL with the winning candidates than the winning and losing candidates.

True enough, it would be easier. A lot more flexibility.

[Paul V McNutt]

A TL has to overcome considerable ASB, like Birney winning. This is an exercise in us imposing 2012 standards on the past.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Should be:
4 (2/4): John Adams / Charles C. Pinckney (Federalist) March 4, 1801 - March 4, 1805

Sorry, it's just been bugging me.

Ah, hell. It was 3 because it used to be Jefferson in the list there. Thanks for the catch.