Map Thread IX

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Meerkat92

Tell us more about the new states in North America. I can't ever recall seeing an independent South Oregon+Northern California. (please be called Jefferson...)

And what about the Great and Glorious Dual Kingdom of Michigan-Wisconsin?

And why hasn't Texas annexed New Mexico up to the Rio Grande yet?

[General_Finley]

Originally Posted by Ynnead

Looks like my part of Arizona is controlled by Mexican cartels, that must be fun.

sorry about that.

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

-Did Pakistan and India get into a war?

-How did Darfur end up with all of that? Or did central Sudan end up with Darfur?

-What is the red outline in the US?

-Who is rebelling in Florida?

-Kurdistan emerge from the US war with Iran?

-Looks like you lost a lot of borders in the Pacific.

Pakistan began to collapse into anarchy and India launched a preemptive attack, but they didn't destroy all of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and ended up getting hit. The end result was the collapse of both nations.

Central Sudan ended up with Darfur.

The red outlines are disputed borders because the United States doesn't recognize any of the American successor states.

Pretty much everybody, it's mostly anarchy if the panhandle

Yah, Kurdistan came about because of the collapse of Syria and US Iranian War. The Kurdish Autonomous Zone of Turkey soon followed.

Originally Posted by Meerkat92

Tell us more about the new states in North America. I can't ever recall seeing an independent South Oregon+Northern California. (please be called Jefferson...)

And what about the Great and Glorious Dual Kingdom of Michigan-Wisconsin?

The Federation of New England is largely politically stable. The FNE has little interest in rejoining the United States and has rebuffed feelers from the surviving American government. Though the Republic of New York and the FNE aren’t politically united they have already signed a defense pact if the USA tries to invade and force its will upon them. The FNE is a multi-party state and is currently actively pursuing diplomatic recognition by Canada and the European Union. Though there are elements of Federal Loyalists in the FNE they mostly peaceful.

As mentioned earlier the Republic of New York split from the decaying United States, but chose to go it alone. Though the economy of the Republic of New York is currently on shaky ground (well at this point all of the American successor states aren’t doing so well economically) it has managed to stabilize the North South divide. In the earliest days of secession it looked like Upstate New York might either move to try and secede to New England. The capital of the RNY is Albany due mostly to the violent anarchist and communist movements that have turned regions of the city into a war zone. While New York City isn’t as bad a Chicago it’s still pretty bad, which has led to an exodus of much of the middle class and upper class citizens.

The Worker’s Confederacy of Michigan-Wisconsin is a syndicalist state which borders on being a one-party state. The WCMW has brutally crushed loyalist, anarchist, and communist rebellions and the Worker’s Militia is currently occupying Detroit after a pitched battle with the proclaimed People’s Republic of Detroit. Unlike the RNY or the FNE the WCMW is in talks with the Federal government about reintegration into the United States under the conditions of the adoption of a parliamentary system, greater autonomy from the US, and the survival of policies enacted during its time as an independent state. These restrictions include the restriction of the right to vote to union members, the seizure of land and assets deemed stolen from the people by “corrupt corporate entities” aka the nationalization of industry.

The United States of Minnesota and Iowa is a governmentally minimalist state which is looking to use independence as a means of reentering the union with greater autonomy. Not as conservative as its neighbor to the west, The New American Republic, the government of the USMI isn’t interested in reestablishing “traditional” American morals or any of that, but it has also approached the NAR with the same offer it has approached the Federal government with; that offer being entrance into one of the two Unions with the guarantee of internal self-government and with a limited and fixed federal tax. The government of the USMI has no delusions of remaining independent; they just want to cut the best deal with their neighbors.

The Confederate States of America is a socially and economically conservative republic that while sharing the name of the former CSA has far more in common United States. The men in charge tout smaller government, but are really corporatist, neo-con, demagogues who frighten people with images of Federal tanks and soldiers marching down their streets and into their homes and destroying traditional Christian values. The CSA is currently threatening to invade loyalist North Florida so as to restore order to the Florida panhandle which has fallen into complete chaos. The CSA has no intention of rejoining the United States and has signed a defensive pact with the New Republic of Texas and the Interregnum Republic of Louisiana in case of invasion by the United States.

The government of the Interregnum Republic of Louisiana is still on the fence about what to do, with the state legislature having only elected to secede from the Union a month earlier. Things are hectic and there is still much chaos. The government isn’t sure who to join, but it wants to save the people of Louisiana from harsh Federal repression. A loose union with the CSA is being contemplated, but so is a union with Texas.

The New American Republic lays claim to all of the former United States and is almost as reactionary/conservative as the CSA. The NAR is in talks with the USMI over annexation under certain conditions. The NAR government doesn’t like the idea of having to negotiate with the USMI feeling that they are clearly the truest to American ideals and values and as such the states should fall back into line under the leadership of Billings (yep, the capital of the NAR is Billings, Montana). Like the CSA the NAR claims that after emergency conditions are lifted limited government will be the norm and a real America will be restored, but that a farce, considering suspected communists and anarchists are being shot without trial.

With a decent portion of New Mexico under the control of drug cartels and the Federal government largely unable to aid New Mexico, the New Mexican government has largely begun operating as an independent entity (though it has not yet declared independence). With Texas being far too Conservative and Arizona falling to pieces as diplomatic union with Utah isn’t all that unlikely. Though Utah is itself incredibly conservative it isn’t militantly so and a union between New Mexico and Utah could be the answer to New Mexico’s problems, providing a large enough military force to smash the cartels and push them back into Mexico.

The New California Republic is based out of Sacramento. Though the NCR claims control of Southern California, Mexican Drug Cartels and anarchy reign supreme over the region and have since before the collapse of the Federal government. The NCR is preparing to launch a military offensive to recapture the south and liberate it from the warlords that govern it. The NCR, like Jefferson and Cascadia, is a lot like the US circa 1990, government isn’t huge but it isn’t small either and after years of crippling economic recession the government has adopted a number of pro-business policies as well as establishing a flat tax. The NCR is preparing to take back San Francisco from the anarcho-communists that “rule” it.

If the CSA or the NAR practiced what they preached they would look a lot like Jefferson. Economically conservative and socially moderate the Republic of Jefferson is a quite sanctuary away from the chaos and violence of the rest of the former United States. It has its problems and it looks like abortion will be taken off of the medical procedures covered by nationalized health care, but it’s not that bad of a place. Think of it kind of as an American version of Liechtenstein.

Cascadia is socially and economically liberal, but it is free society and is going to hold its first elections in a months. There is a strong element in Cascadia that supports an effort to be annexed by Canada (though Canada doesn’t want to make any moves that might upset the US). Life is okay here, not perfect, people complain about taxes, and economic instability, but it’s better than when the US ran the place as you could be arrested for protesting.

[Mathuen]

Fascinating but... I'm done explaining why there wouldn't be a CSA every time someone posts one in an America Collapses Scenario (which is a lot). I'm just going to have to find my first post and just link everyone to it when this happens again.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by General_Finley

Pretty much everybody, it's mostly anarchy if the panhandle

The CSA is currently threatening to invade loyalist North Florida so as to restore order to the Florida panhandle which has fallen into complete chaos.

That isn't the panhandle.

A loose union with the CSA is being contemplated, but so is a union with Texas.

Join us...

as diplomatic union with Utah isn’t all that unlikely. Though Utah is itself incredibly conservative it isn’t militantly so and a union between New Mexico and Utah could be the answer to New Mexico’s problems, providing a large enough military force to smash the cartels and push them back into Mexico.

I'm surprised parts southern Idaho hasn't fractured from the NAR and joined Utah. I guess the nature of the NAR (not seceding, but claiming to be the successor) kind of makes that harder. With, say the CSA, I can see a state using the precedent of their own secession from the US as a precedent if they wanted to leave the CSA.

I'm really surprised more states have fractured.

[Doctor Imperialism]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

-Did Pakistan and India get into a war?

-How did Darfur end up with all of that? Or did central Sudan end up with Darfur?

-What is the red outline in the US?

-Who is rebelling in Florida?

-Kurdistan emerge from the US war with Iran?

-Looks like you lost a lot of borders in the Pacific.

I'm more concerned about Portuguese Nigeria.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Doctor Imperialism

I'm more concerned about Portuguese Nigeria.

What Portuguese Nigeria?

[Doctor Imperialism]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

What Portuguese Nigeria?

. . .Wait, is that Nigeria's natural color? Because I'm going to feel like an idiot if it is.

[metastasis_d]

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Originally Posted by Doctor Imperialism

. . .Wait, is that Nigeria's natural color? Because I'm going to feel like an idiot if it is.

It is.

[Ephraim Ben Raphael]

Originally Posted by General_Finley

The year is 2035

I find it funny that after all the chaos engulfing North America and South Asia Israel looks no different than it ever was.

[Kuld von Reyn]

Not sure if I should be posting this here, considering how little effort it took, but eh; suppose it can't hurt.



Made it to illustrate a joke in a private message that only makes sense in context. Still, it could be used for an Italy (And a bunch of random Mediterranean islands not necessarily owned by Italy) ISOTed to the American continent scenario.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Kuld von Reyn

Not sure if I should be posting this here, considering how little effort it took, but eh; suppose it can't hurt.


Made it to illustrate a joke in a private message that only makes sense in context. Still, it could be used for an Italy (And a bunch of random Mediterranean islands not necessarily owned by Italy) ISOTed to the American continent scenario.

So where'd Cuba go?

And now there is Italy, Louisiana, and Michigan's LP that look like extremities.

[xt828]

Europe in early 1878, after the death of Emperor Franz Karl of Germany, and election of Franz Joseph to succeed him.



The Springtime of Nations plays out differently.

[wolf_brother]

What happened to Belgium?

[xt828]

Originally Posted by wolf_brother

What happened to Belgium?

There was this whole complicated ongoing crisis that started in the Springtime and came to a head in the mid 1860s involving Belgium, France, the Netherlands and Germany that ended up being resolved with the dissolution of Belgium and border readjustments.

[TheNordicBrit]

Originally Posted by wolf_brother

What happened to Belgium?

Tallyerand Plan, or something along those lines, I assume

EDIT: Or not... XD

[xt828]

Originally Posted by TheNordicBrit

Tallyerand Plan, or something along those lines, I assume

EDIT: Or not... XD

POD is 1848ish, so Belgium is, what, about 9 years old de jure and 17 de facto.

[imperialaquila]

What happened to Prussia? I'm assuming it's being propped up by Russia, but how did it reach that state?

[xt828]

Originally Posted by imperialaquila

What happened to Prussia? I'm assuming it's being propped up by Russia, but how did it reach that state?

Not so much. Prussia is that part of the old kingdom of Prussia which was excluded from the German Empire by the delegates at Frankfurt, ruled at present by Karl I of Hohenzollern. The remainder is inside Germany as Brandenburg, ruled at present by Wilhelm I of Hohenzollern. In essence, imagine a parallel debate to the OTL Greater vs Lesser Germany one, but regarding all lands outside what was traditionally German. Much of this Germany's origin is driven by the Austrians, and keep in mind that at the time of the formation of this Germany, even the Prussians recognised Austrian supremacy. The Prussian rulers always saw their 'German' possessions as being more important than their 'Prussian' ones. Prussia is something of a bastion of the old ways, but this Europe is somewhat more progressive than OTL.

[BryanIII]

Originally Posted by xt828

Europe in early 1878, after the death of Emperor Franz Karl of Germany, and election of Franz Joseph to succeed him.
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Seeing that Alsace is still French, did the otl Franco-Prussian(/German) war never happen or did the Germans lose it?

Also, who owns Tunesia?

[The Kiat]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

So where'd Cuba go?

Forget Cuba, what did that monster do to Disneyworld?