Map Thread IX

[viperhawkz]

Originally Posted by SirFez

[...]Expansion under Valerian[...]

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by General_Finley

A while back I posted this map and received some advice on how to make some improvements.

Looking pretty nice.
I guess the US getting the Samoas is simply a coincidence? Not too unlikely, I suppose. Just remember that those islands to the SE of Japan (the ones you had colored Korean on the previous version, plus the one still Japanese on the same) are a lot closer to Japan than they are in this basemap.

[Clandango]

Originally Posted by SirFez

Just another practice map series called the Emperor of the Nile where a large Roman expedition down the Nile finds Lake Victoria, and establishes a colony. Every few years a messenger brings news until finally, Constantine converts to Christianity and declares the colony, which was mostly pagan, an enemy of the Roman Empire and declares war on them. The last messenger brings the news, but knowledge of this lost colony on the Nile is lost in the barbarian raids. I have no years but here it is.

Sorry for the bad resolution.

The Picture names are:
Upon Establishment of the First Base on the Coast
Upon Completion of the new Capital of Plautusia, named after found Plautus and established on OTL Nairobi.
Before the Civil War
Beginning of Civil War (between the Romans and the Plautusians, these are older and are against the takeover by the younger Plautusians)
End of Civil War (the Plautusians win, they have the wealth of the coast on their side)
Expansion under Marcus (the newest Emperor of Plautusia is Marcus, and he launches a new fleet to expand the empire)
Expansion under Valerian (a very liberal Emperor, he establishes a new government system akin to democracy and he further expands the empire

Oh yeah, the original claim (which they still claim) was, "everything that is both east of the westernmost point of the Nile and north of the southernmost point of Lake Hadrianus (Lake Victoria)"

Wouldn't the Ethiopians come into play?

[Iori]

While it's on an older version of the Basemap I figure I'll post it anyways.

A map of the world in 1985 of my Asiatica TL (that I'll end-up writing in full eventually) during the height of the the Zhōnghuá Revolution.


Note that the use of PRC Pink in this case does not represent a Communist State (the world having developed different ideologies) but rather a state very different from the existing one.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Iori

While it's on an older version of the Basemap I figure I'll post it anyways.

A map of the world in 1985 of my Asiatica TL (that I'll end-up writing in full eventually) during the height of the the Zhōnghuá Revolution.


Note that the use of PRC Pink in this case does not represent a Communist State (the world having developed different ideologies) but rather a state very different from the existing one.

That's fairly unique-"Chinese" colonization of Malta, Cyprus, and part of the Levant.

[Esopo]

Love this map and the backstory.

[Iori]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

That's fairly unique-"Chinese" colonization of Malta, Cyprus, and part of the Levant.

Yeah, ITTL things were sort of reversed in this case specifically; China only colonized the area in the later Colonial period, originally also including the Libyan state, most of Zhonguas colonial attention was focused on Central Africa though, to the point that they imported so many Giraffes that their's now a fairly large indigenous wild population in China itself.

Originally Posted by Esopo

Love this map and the backstory.

Danke.

[Nilats]

I posted this map some time ago but I changed some stuff and now I have a scenario: (This is the current nation game that I am running.)






Wars: (V)=victor


Italo-Turkish War: (1908) Italy(V) vs. Ottoman Empire

Balkan War: (1908-1910 Greece, Albanian Rebels, Bulgaria, Serbia (V) vs. Ottoman Empire ; The Ottoman Empire loses a bunch of land and Albania gains independence.

Mexican Civil War: (1909-1913) America, Communist Rebels (V)vs. Mexico ; America backs a communist rebellion in Mexico.

Prodigious War: (1913-1919) Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy, Bulgaria, Belgium, Finnish Rebels (V) vs. United Kingdom, France, Russia, Japan, Serbia, Denmark; Serbia declares war on Montenegro . This escalates quickly with Britain forced into a white peace with the other allies of Britain forced into defeat. As a result of this war Great Britain have a massive arms race that has lasted to this day. Germany is within 5 years of completing a nuke and the UK is within 6.

Constantinople War: (1915) Greece (V) vs. Ottoman Empire; Greece gets Constantinople.

Russian Civil War: (1916-1921) Whites, Great Britain, France, Germany (V) vs. Armenian Rebels (V) vs. Reds; With German, French and British help the Whites are victorious. Both Germany and Great Britain supported the whites in hopes of securing Russia as an ally. Russia never commits to an ally and when the depression swings around Russia defaults on their massive loans.

Sino-Japanese War: (1933) Japan, Russia vs. China; Japan ends up taking Manchuria. A treaty is never signed by Japan and China but an armistice is signed. Russia also cements its control of Mongolia.

North American War: (1919-1921) America, Mexico, American Puppet States (V) vs. Canada, Great Britain, France; USA secures Canada.

North-Pacific Conflict1922) America, Mexico, American Puppet States (V) vs. Germany, Iceland; USA invades Greenland and instills a
puppet government in Iceland.


Nations:


The Americas:

Union of Socialist American States:1879 the Communist Party of America is formed. It quickly gains support and by 1890 is a powerful third party. When a depression hits in 1902 the Communists rise! When the democratic party collapses in 1907 many join the Communist party finally giving them enough to gain a majority.
Overtime private property is seized and the nation finally turns communists. Shortly after The Prodigious War the United States invade Canada. This act is just part of the long road to expansionism.
By 1940 all of north America and some of south America have fallen to communism.

Socialist Union of Mexican States: After the communists take control America helps Mexico develop it’s military and economy. By becoming the first American protectorate Mexico is able to get much more in the way of help than the late comers. Mexico is economically and militarily much stronger than OTL.

Brazil: Fiercely anti-communist due to the encroaching Americans. As a result of this Brazil is much more militaristic than OTL. While no official agreement exists Brazil is more or less a member of the Entente.

Argentina: To counter Brazil’s militarization Argentina forms close economic and militant ties with Germany.


Europe:


United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland: After France was defeated in the Prodigious War the UK was forced to sign a white peace with Germany. After losing Canada to the U.S. they become incredibly anti-communist. The fascist party becomes very influential and eventually becomes a majority party which it still holds. They rule on a platform that seeks to destroy the ever growing threat of the German Empire.

Third French Empire: after the failure of the republic in The Prodigious War the economy is damaged. During the depression Germany is forced to end all economic support of France (until then Germany was pretty much propping up France to keep it in their sphere) as a result a civil war breaks out. The United Kingdom backs the monarchists and eventually they are able to win. Emperor Louis Jérôme is the current emperor. France is still pretty poor but in the past 10 years has managed to bounce back quite a bit.
The fascist party is able to bring France out of the economic slump. Using this popularity they destroy all political enemies. Currently all other parties are banned.
France is very heavily tied with Great Britain which was in many ways what allowed the fascists to take power there.

Kingdom of Italy: Italy secures Savoy, Tunisia and Algeria as a result of the peace treaties. This secures the socialists hold on the Italian parliament. When Austria-Hungary breaks up Italy seizes the opportunity. They invade Tyrol as well as Istria. Austria has no choice but to give them to Italy. As a result relations with Germany and Austria sour. Italy turns to France and Great Britain who are eager to have another ally. France still wants Savoy back but for now they remain reluctant friends.
Italy is actually a very powerful nation. While they are militarily weaker than France they are economically much stronger than most of Europe. Italy is also the only member of the Entente which has good relations with America.

Austria-Hungary: The Kingdom of Hungary breaks off as well as Croatia. After this a civil war breaks out in Hungary the socialists take control. Even though the communists are in control they are not allied to the USA.
Currently the Republic of Croatia, the Socialist Commune of Hungary and the Kingdom of Austria occupy the former area of Austria-Hungary.

Democratic Russian Federative Republic: During the Russian civil war the West vies for control of the white faction which seems as though it is going to win. Eventually the whites win. In 1924 the constitution is written that creates a new government of Russia. At first Russia is democratic but elections become fixed and by 1940 a dictator has been in control for 10 years. Russia is in massive debt and the current massive military expenditures cannot be continued. Russia is one of the only nations that hasn’t recovered from the depression.

Greater Hellenic Republic: Greece has become a massively powerful nation. They rule over the Balkans as the undisputed leader of the Little Entente. Greece is one of the few legitimate democracies in the world.

Kingdom of Spain: Spain is currently locked in a bloody civil war between the German backed royalists, the American backed socialists and the British backed fascists.
Currently the socialists are gaining ground while the other two factions are losing ground.

Portugal: While Portugal isn’t very powerful it has become incredibly wealthy. They avoided entering the prodigious war and in the post war years ended up giving out loans to the great powers. Now with the depression over the great powers are forced to pay back the loans to Portugal which has doubled its GDP.

Germany: After being the victor in the Prodigious War Germany continues to grow economically and militarily. Germany spreads its influence over all of central and eastern Europe. Germany considers itself infallible and completely counts out France and Russia as a threat to them. This could easily spell the end of Germany as they have done much more research into technology than tactics.


Asia:


Empire of Japan: Japan has become a powerful Imperialist nation. Ruling over most of Asia they pose a serious threat to Europe. As a result of the invasion of Manchuria Japan has withdrawn from European affairs and now mostly deals with her ally Russia.

Japan looks hungrily at the rest of Asia with only the Royal Navy standing in the way of total domination.

[I]Republic of China:[/I} Locked in the middle of a civil war China is collapsing and fast. Anything could renew the conflict with Japan which would be the final breaking point of the crumbling republic

Alliances:


Asian Treaty Organization: Russia, Japan, Armenia

Boston Pact: USA, Mexico, Columbia, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Belize, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, El Salvador

Mitteleuropa: Germany, Austria, Belgium, Ukraine, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia

Entente: France, United Kingdom, Hungary, Spain, Italy

Little Entente: (Itself allied with the Entente) Greece, Romania, Albania, Serbia


Ranks:


Economy:

USAS
Germany
UK
Japan
Portugal

Navy:

UK
Germany
USAS
Japan
Brazil

Army:

Germany
UK
USAS
Japan
Greece

Air Force:

UK
Germany
USAS
Japan
Brazil

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Nilats

I posted this map some time ago but I changed some stuff and now I have a scenario: (This is the current nation game that I am running.)

Very cool. May want to consider having a different shade for Mexico, as it is kind of hard to tell it apart from Britain in the Caribbean, but that could just be me.

[Tallest Skil]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

Are there any good programs to look at a gif frame by frame? I used to use Quicktime but it sucks and can't edit an image.

Preview shows every frame in a GIF.

[Kaiphranos]

It's cross-posting time!

Originally Posted by Kaiphranos

At some point in prehistory, Eurasian wild horses undergo a slight mutation, resulting in slight behavioral changes that render it unsuitable for domestication, much like its relative the zebra. Instead, the Bactrian camel takes the role of the primary riding animal throughout northern Eurasia, while its dromedary cousin plays a similar role in Africa and parts of the Middle East. (Oxen and donkeys are also used in various capacities.)

A certain number of butterflies are in effect here, but the majority of them do not become apparent until the Indo-European expansion of OTL fails to occur on schedule. (Some Indo-European speaking groups do make their way into Europe, but their accomplishments are minimal compared to OTL.) For the civilizations of the Fertile Crescent and their neighbors, the broad strokes are much the same, though most recognizable individuals have been butterflied away, and any specialist would be able to point to a number of differences.

Around 2000 BCE, the Bactrian camel is domesticated, much as per OTL--however, this gives the first adopters a comparatively greater advantage than they had OTL, as the Bactrian camel spreads across Eurasia. (Domestication of the dromedary occurs in a similar timeframe, but is outside the scope of this map.) As with the horse OTL, not all the Bactrian-riding cultures are closely related to the original developers, though many of them are. The introduction of domestic camels and the absence of horses will be the final element in setting this world on a divergent path--by 2012, pretty much no elements of language or ethnicity will be recognizable...

(Note: the "Hattic" culture is not Hittite, but rather descended from the pre-Hittite inhabitants of Anatolia.)

[Kaiphranos]

And the map:

[Klisz]

I like that projection.

[SirFez]

Originally Posted by Clandango

Wouldn't the Ethiopians come into play?

This is just showing the Plautusian Empire and the Ethiopians are too far north to be a problem. I had made a quick timeline, and the map doesn't show the incursions by Arabs.

Anyways, I've been bored, so as an update to a previous map, this is after the Third World War between an industrializing Republic of China, the Germans/Italians, and the Americans and her allies.

A decision made upon declaration of war between the Third Reich and America was to only use tactical nuclear weaponry on battlefields, and to never use their atomic armories upon large civilian concentrations. This did not limit the use of biological weapons and both the Germans and Americans used modified strains of smallpox, anthrax, and the bubonic plague against eachother, mostly in West Africa, as a second treaty was drafted between them to limit use of chemical and biological weaponry in European theatres.

Meanwhile, in the east, the Republic of China had annexed the rump U.S.S.R. and invaded the crumbling Empire of India. Here, chemical weaponry and atomic weaponry was rarely used, but in India, a nuclear power plant had a meltdown after the Chinese laid siege to its garrison of soldiers (this was in Orissa). Chinese scientists used this as inspiration for their dirty bombs which they have made hundreds of. America, in response, has also made its on cache of dirty bombs, leaving its large-scale nuclear weapons for use in case they start to lose globally. America has used dirty bombs on the source of the Mekong and many points along the way, irradiating the whole river and much of the surrounding areas. Meanwhile, Chinese have used dirty bombs on much of Indonesia, and India, to stop American invasions that were at the time landing. Areas in India are also full of atttacks by America with modified anthrax.

Remind you of anything?

[TurkishCapybara]

Originally Posted by SirFez

Remind you of anything?

Seeing as how we don`t show 14th Century Europe as a pale-green wasteland, and the region around Chernobyl is not shown as pale-green OTL, the Mekong and Central-West Africa would still be inhabited and controlled.

[Numb]

Where can I get that base map?

[SirFez]

Arabia is more of laziness. The Mekong was RECENTLY flooded with a huge amount of radioactivity in TTL. And Central/West Africa is so full of anthrax-infected areas, nuclear blast zones, and battlefields it is more of no-mans land.

[AWKB]

Originally Posted by SirFez

Remind you of anything?

1984? Filler filler.

[area11]

Originally Posted by SirFez

This is just showing the Plautusian Empire and the Ethiopians are too far north to be a problem. I had made a quick timeline, and the map doesn't show the incursions by Arabs.

Anyways, I've been bored, so as an update to a previous map, this is after the Third World War between an industrializing Republic of China, the Germans/Italians, and the Americans and her allies.

A decision made upon declaration of war between the Third Reich and America was to only use tactical nuclear weaponry on battlefields, and to never use their atomic armories upon large civilian concentrations. This did not limit the use of biological weapons and both the Germans and Americans used modified strains of smallpox, anthrax, and the bubonic plague against eachother, mostly in West Africa, as a second treaty was drafted between them to limit use of chemical and biological weaponry in European theatres.

Meanwhile, in the east, the Republic of China had annexed the rump U.S.S.R. and invaded the crumbling Empire of India. Here, chemical weaponry and atomic weaponry was rarely used, but in India, a nuclear power plant had a meltdown after the Chinese laid siege to its garrison of soldiers (this was in Orissa). Chinese scientists used this as inspiration for their dirty bombs which they have made hundreds of. America, in response, has also made its on cache of dirty bombs, leaving its large-scale nuclear weapons for use in case they start to lose globally. America has used dirty bombs on the source of the Mekong and many points along the way, irradiating the whole river and much of the surrounding areas. Meanwhile, Chinese have used dirty bombs on much of Indonesia, and India, to stop American invasions that were at the time landing. Areas in India are also full of atttacks by America with modified anthrax.

Remind you of anything?

Code Geass?

[Nilats]

Originally Posted by SirFez

This is just showing the Plautusian Empire and the Ethiopians are too far north to be a problem. I had made a quick timeline, and the map doesn't show the incursions by Arabs.

Anyways, I've been bored, so as an update to a previous map, this is after the Third World War between an industrializing Republic of China, the Germans/Italians, and the Americans and her allies.

A decision made upon declaration of war between the Third Reich and America was to only use tactical nuclear weaponry on battlefields, and to never use their atomic armories upon large civilian concentrations. This did not limit the use of biological weapons and both the Germans and Americans used modified strains of smallpox, anthrax, and the bubonic plague against eachother, mostly in West Africa, as a second treaty was drafted between them to limit use of chemical and biological weaponry in European theatres.

Meanwhile, in the east, the Republic of China had annexed the rump U.S.S.R. and invaded the crumbling Empire of India. Here, chemical weaponry and atomic weaponry was rarely used, but in India, a nuclear power plant had a meltdown after the Chinese laid siege to its garrison of soldiers (this was in Orissa). Chinese scientists used this as inspiration for their dirty bombs which they have made hundreds of. America, in response, has also made its on cache of dirty bombs, leaving its large-scale nuclear weapons for use in case they start to lose globally. America has used dirty bombs on the source of the Mekong and many points along the way, irradiating the whole river and much of the surrounding areas. Meanwhile, Chinese have used dirty bombs on much of Indonesia, and India, to stop American invasions that were at the time landing. Areas in India are also full of atttacks by America with modified anthrax.

Remind you of anything?

You have inspired me to make my own take on 1984. Featuring the emerging 4th superpower: Afrasia.

Not done yet though.