Map Thread IX

[Basileus Giorgios]

Originally Posted by Mr. BoJangles

Hungary declares independence, but is forced to concede non-core regions as the German Empire moves in to take what it wants (per Honey-badger).

Nice.

Shouldn't Africa look different due to a different scramble?

[Direwolf22]

A map from my Disaster at Leuthen Timeline. This is North America in 1805 as the Age of Revolutions reaches its climax.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Ulster

I may be misremembering, but I think Beedok never got around to completing the Russian Far East and the assorted languages therein (e.g. Sakha) due to a lack of sources/knowledge/time/some combination of the above

It wasn't knowledge or source, but the fact that out in Siberia different projections are difficult for me to work out and so I was having trouble putting things in the right places. Someone else had a russia language map that I have to touch up a little when I get around to it. The the fun part will be making a legend!

[Saepe Fidelis]

This map is set in 1810, nearly twenty years after the deaths of Catherine the Great and her secret consort Grigory Potemkin, nicknamed 'The Colossus'. Catherine is remembered by history as one of the greatest enlightened despots of the age, yet it was Potemkin who guided much of her foreign policy and this was especially apparent in their later years. The Second Turkish-Russian War was very much his pet project, undertaken in 1788 in liaison with Joseph II of Austria. The breakthrough only came in 1791, when the two armies of Rumiantsev and Suvorov broke through the Ottoman lines, taking Edirne and Thessalonica in swift succession. The ultimate prize surrendered itself later that year, when Russian troops made their triumphal entry into Constantinople.

The final peace plan was a carve-up of the Balkans between Russia and Austria: Austria took vast swathes of the former Ottoman Empire, which had retreated into Asia in a period of dynastic blood-letting. Russia annexed some territory, yet the main prize was the creation of the new Empire of Rome, whose emperor Catherine had hand-picked: her second grandson Constantine was crowned Caesar and Imperator in Hagia Sophia like a latter-day Justinian, watched by his grandmother and Prince Potemkin, but not his unstable father Paul, who was soon barred from the succession, his eldest son Alexander being groomed for power by Catherine. Other states created after the fall of the House of Osman were Moesia and Dacia, their names recalling the classical period yet their borders completely modern inventions; their rulers were German nobility picked by Joseph and Potemkin.

The intractable Polish question would be the final diplomatic issue the ageing Catherine-Potemkin duo would answer: the Polish Constitutional Revolution was met with the standard response: a third partition. The big winner was Prussia, which took a swathe of territory in the East, although Austria took a little territory in the south. Russia, taking next to no territory, balanced this out by the choice of Poland's new king. With a new constitution that he'd written himself, Grigory Potemkin was made King of Poland in 1793, ageing and ill. He would rule for only five years before dying and passing the throne to his appointed successor, his cousin Pavel Potemkin. He had long wanted a throne independent of Russia yet even with this independent power base he remained doggedly loyal to his beloved Catherine.

The twilight years of the 18th century and the early days of the 19th would be marked by a scramble by the powers of Europe for a piece of the Ottoman carcass. France, having recovered from its own Constitutional crisis in 1791, with Louis XVI being forced to accept the power of the National Assembly, announced that it intended to take its own sphere of influence in the East and dispatched an expedition to Syria: on the way a young artillery officer Napoleon Bonaparte distinguished himself in the sieges of Tunis, Tripoli and Benghazi which were undertaken on the way. He rose through the ranks before being promoted to Commander of the Expedition when the first siege of Damascus failed in 1795. He spent the next seven years stampeding around the Levant, taking Damscus, Edessa, Caesarea and even advancing on Babylon before being recalled because his excessive aggression was worrying the Russians. The Treaty of Chios of 1794 partitioned the East: France took Syria and the Lebanon while Russia would be given the Holy Land. Emperor Alexander I dispatched his own expedition, with his brother Nicholas in tow, and in 1796 he was crowned King of Jerusalem. This Treaty worried the British, who dispatched Admiral Nelson to Egypt to secure British interests there, thus preventing a complete carve-up of the East.

As a result of this great 'Crusade of Reason', a term coined by Jeremy Bentham, Russia took several Aegean islands as its own while establishing satellite states in Greece and in Trebizond; Alexander fulfilled a lifelong dream and founded the Order of St Michael on Rhodes, an order of knights based on the Hospitallars who also acted as a convenient friendly port for the Russian Mediterranean fleet. Despite Napoleon's bset efforts, with the Ottomans in disarray Mesopotamia and much of the East fell to the Qajar Persians, who would rule for the next century to come. Venice had been poised to retake the Morea and Cyprus, but Britain's consternation about Russian influence in the Eastern Mediterranean left it with more modest gains, with Cyprus becoming a British fortress that maintained the balance of power between France and Russia; William Pitt's failure to stop the Russians led to his fall from power and in the coming decades British imperial policy would focus on maintaining the independence of Egypt, or otherwise the curtailment of Russian influence in the Holy Land. With tensions rising between Orthodox and Catholic Christians in Jerusalem, it seemed that the Age of Reason would end in a war fought as much over religion as over geopolitics. . .

[Kuld von Reyn]

Originally Posted by Direwolf22

A map from my Disaster at Leuthen Timeline. This is North America in 1805 as the Age of Revolutions reaches its climax.

Assuming the teal lines in the Confederacy and the Dominion of New England are internal subdivisions, you might want to make them a more easily distinguishable colour.

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Cartographic fanart for the Disaster at Leuthen timeline:

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Kuld von Reyn

Assuming the teal lines in the Confederacy and the Dominion of New England are internal subdivisions, you might want to make them a more easily distinguishable colour.

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I didn't even see them until I read this and went back to look.

[Suurvanem Kalev]

Originally Posted by area11

This map by Beedok shows the Saharan situation fairly well.

Attachment 174346

Actually, the area marked as latvian in Estonia is wrong. They speak mulgi language there. It's as similar to latvian as japanese to russian, so yeah...

[Doctor Imperialism]

A map I made for carlton_bach's TL, where the Congo is partitioned between France, Britain, and Portugal. Thoughts?

[Turquoise Blue]

France, GERMANY and Portugal? Do you mean Britain?

[Doctor Imperialism]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

France, GERMANY and Portugal? Do you mean Britain?

Argh, my bad! I'll go and fix that.

Also, Britain recieved a small strip of land from German Ostafrika to connect British posessions.

[jkarr]

Originally Posted by Doctor Imperialism

Argh, my bad! I'll go and fix that.

Also, Britain recieved a small strip of land from German Ostafrika to connect British posessions.

i imagine the coast to coast railway would be feasible with this...as germany now no longer blocks the british

[OAM47]

Also, that one notch was originally German anyway, Belgium only got it after WW1.

[Doctor Imperialism]

Originally Posted by jkarr

i imagine the coast to coast railway would be feasible with this...as germany now no longer blocks the british

Aye. In the TL, the Germans are cultivating friendlier relations with the British, so they saw the division of the Congo as a golden opportunity to get brownie points with Britain.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by OAM47

Also, that one notch was originally German anyway, Belgium only got it after WW1.

You beat me to it.

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by Saepe Fidelis

This map is set in 1810, nearly twenty years after the deaths of Catherine the Great and her secret consort Grigory Potemkin, nicknamed 'The Colossus'.

Interesting: I've occasionally had thoughts on an 18th-century partition of the Ottoman Empire. But the Safavids came to an end in 1736, rather a while before the POD. The Quajars (1794 on) would be the most likely ones to step in and grab eastern Ottoman territory, unless they are somehow butterflied away by the more successful Russian war vs the Ottomans.

Bruce

[B_Munro]

Originally Posted by Kuld von Reyn

Assuming the teal lines in the Confederacy and the Dominion of New England are internal subdivisions, you might want to make them a more easily distinguishable colour.

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Cartographic fanart for the Disaster at Leuthen timeline:

Ooh, that's mighty purty.

Bruce

[Saepe Fidelis]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

Interesting: I've occasionally had thoughts on an 18th-century partition of the Ottoman Empire. But the Safavids came to an end in 1736, rather a while before the POD. The Quajars (1794 on) would be the most likely ones to step in and grab eastern Ottoman territory, unless they are somehow butterflied away by the more successful Russian war vs the Ottomans.

Bruce

Yeah you're right; I've fixed that thanks.

[Revolutionary Todyo]

Question, which green denotes a Republican China? Darker or lighter?

[Iserlohn]

Originally Posted by Revolutionary Todyo

Question, which green denotes a Republican China? Darker or lighter?

IIRC the darker green. Lighter green could be used for a co-existing autocratic/Fascist republic

[Revolutionary Todyo]

Originally Posted by Iserlohn

IIRC the darker green. Lighter green could be used for a co-existing autocratic/Fascist republic

Or a monarchy.

But thank you, I don't usually colour China as few of my maps have any focus there really. Much like South America.