An Age of Miracles: The Revival of Rhomanion

[Elfwine]

Don't forget butterflies.

Still, TTL's Hungary seems to be well off.

[mrhistory]

"Enrico’s first order of business after hiring new tasters...".

Another great one liner that gave me an early morning laugh.

[Arrix85]

So I wasn't so far off about the Mamelukes and the Venetians. Next time their threaths to the empire will coalesce.

[Elfwine]

Originally Posted by Arrix85

So I wasn't so far off about the Mamelukes and the Venetians. Next time their threaths to the empire will coalesce.

And be stomped on.

[Arrix85]

Originally Posted by Elfwine

And be stomped on.

I can only hope, neither is particularly likeable.

[frozenpredator]

It would be the ultimate troll stunt if this entire TL was a lead-up to a Venice+Mamluk wank

[Elfwine]

Originally Posted by frozenpredator

It would be the ultimate troll stunt if this entire TL was a lead-up to a Venice+Mamluk wank

I somehow doubt someone whose username has the word basileus in it would do that.

'specially not with his fondness for the Laskarids.

[Arrix85]

Originally Posted by frozenpredator

It would be the ultimate troll stunt if this entire TL was a lead-up to a Venice+Mamluk wank

I never even implied this possibility (the "hoping part" was about the stomping), It's simply impossible, Venice is too small (and if their quest to increase their damaging capabilities relies mostly on alliances... it's a double-edged sword, they can also be left alone when things get real ugly) and the Mameluke sultanate is too flawed. That is not to say they cannot hurt the romans (given that the Timurid threat is not going away without inflict heavy damage).

[Dragos Cel Mare]

We'll also need fanart of St. Brihan once we get to her military career.

[eliphas8]

Why doesnt this TL have a TVTropes page?

[Avitus]

Originally Posted by Basileus444

Avitus: Thanks. I'm trimming down the number of planned LOTR references. It's harder, but more interesting to try and create the feel of LOTR without cutting-and-pasting of dialogue.

Interesting idea regarding the 1450s. Some suggestions. Look up Tenedos. That island has to be under the control of a Turkish enemy. With Constantinople and Tenedos under the control of non-Turks the Ottoman Empire can be kept apart, potentially indefinitely. And by that point a divided Ottoman state, with both halves glaring at each other, is the only thing making Byzantium not go squish. Another potential idea is to use the Morea as a springboard for a minor Byzantine revival (although to do this you might need to move the POD back a bit so it doesn't get as ravaged as OTL). It's not as defensible as Constantinople, but a Rumelia sandwiched in between John Hunyadi's Hungary, Vlad Dracula's Wallachia, possibly Skanderbeg's Albania, and Anadolu is going to have much bigger fish to fry.

Well, Tenedos was unfortified and sparsely inhabited (plus it didn't have a clearly defined owner) by the time of my POD(s), but I could see it being given to the Italians by a grateful/desperate Candarli/Constantine alliance.

You see, Candarli Halil Pasha is an excellent politician, but the army and navy tend to favor Mehmed (as in OTL) for his expansionist policies, so in my scenario Candarli's decleration of war is his burning of Mehmed's fleet at anchor in the Bosporus. Because of this, Mehmed's army is left unsupported outside of the Euro side of Constantinople. Completely isolated from his treasury, Mehmed has no way of rebuilding the fleet short of extorting money and man power from his european provinces, which will be time consuming, and give Candarli time to recruit a force capable of countering Mehmed's massive army (roughly the same one that he took Constantinople with OTL). Of course, given the massive army that he is supporting, and the poor state of the European provinces, Mehmed's position may rapidly become one of a man with a large army that he is forced to spend every penny supporting. Meanwhile Candarli can hire Italian ships with his control of the treasury and massive personal wealth, and the Italians are willing to fight for him because he is not threatening their Agean holdings and their trade monopoly on Constantinople.

[Avitus]

Sorry about the accidental double post.

I also like the Joan of Arc esque idea, (assuming thats what you means by make them howl)
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Are the Italian's trying to get a new crusade together? I cant imagine that going too well for them, given the current state of germany and the general sentiments towards the Romans outside of Italy, but England-France might have something to say about that.

[Derekc2]

Originally Posted by eliphas8

Why doesnt this TL have a TVTropes page?

Only god Knows.
We need a TVtropes page for this.

[Dragos Cel Mare]

A TV.Tropes page would be a target for Naysayers who know little about actual history. It's easy to lose respect for that site when you have people defending Draka's plausibility on the Headscratchers and YMMV pages.

[Derekc2]

Originally Posted by Dragos Cel Mare

A TV.Tropes page would be a target for Naysayers who know little about actual history. It's easy to lose respect for that site when you have people defending Draka's plausibility on the Headscratchers and YMMV pages.

But it was TVtropes that introduced me to both Hetalia and this website. So it's not all bad. If any of the naysayers are anoying then we just have one of our fellow fans beat them over the head so to speak.

[Dragos Cel Mare]

Yeah, Tv.Tropes is the source for a lot of useful info (mostly in the form of spoilers). It also led me to a few good fanfics, and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. That said, we'll still need someone to monitor the pages in order to answer any inquiries (legitimate or not). Will Eliphas do it?

[elkarlo]

Awesome. I am liking it. Any Mongol/horde revolts coming? As the Jurchens and what not are unrelated to the Timur's heirs.

[Dragos Cel Mare]

Only if Shah Rukh does badly, I think.

[eliphas8]

Originally Posted by Dragos Cel Mare

Yeah, Tv.Tropes is the source for a lot of useful info (mostly in the form of spoilers). It also led me to a few good fanfics, and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. That said, we'll still need someone to monitor the pages in order to answer any inquiries (legitimate or not). Will Eliphas do it?

It doesnt really need to be anything official, I'd regularly edit the page anyway so that wont be a problem though.

[Dragos Cel Mare]

Okay, then.