ME1940 Armed Forces

[Ward]

Post your Armys with what tanks you own and there no . And what other equpment you have .

Post your airforces types of aircraft you own and numbers , if there is major changes in models post what model it is . Exp is BF-109 j .

Navy list your no of ships and class of ships .Please use real ships class . and the year they are from , if they had a refit list that they had that year refit .

[Forum Lurker]

Any good links to give us estimates of numbers?

[Ward]

I Would like nations to use there own Equpment first before using some one else equpment . Like Germany I do not want to see you running T-34 as your tanks.

Also Give reasons why you are chosing this type of equpment even if it just to say well my country has always bought from there , or she is an allie .

[DuQuense]

Royal Cameroon Military

Navy
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk


I just like the looks of these, Cameroon of Course has It's own name for the Classes.
Cameroon has embarked on a major rebuilt and upgrade of It's Armed Forces, under the Nationalists.

600.000 Men

7 Battleships -3 Vittorio Veneto Class- 3 Richelieu class -1 Colorado Class
5 Battle Cruisers –2 Graf Spee, -2 hood, -1 Bismark class

3- Aircraft Carriers -2 Albatross, class seaplane carriers, -1 Eagle class

50 cruisers
160 destroyers
40 submarines
210 patrol Boats, jetfoil Class, 77', 5” gun, 2 torpedo tubes
120 Patrol boats. jet class , 110'. 5” gun, 3” gun, 2 torpedo tubes.
hundreds of other Ships and Boats from Tenders down to Yachts, & Tugs.

Air Forces
http://www.fighter-planes.com/

Most of Cameroons Planes are Flying Boats or Float Planes, So take these as Analogues of them


245.000 Men

130 Squardons, 71 fighter, 22 bomber.
51 - Fokker GI Float planes
20- Yakolew Yak-3
16- A B-11 type seaplane
05- a enlarged Fokker GI, Fighter Bomber.

there are also several squadrons of Transport planes from Sikorsky S-42 to Boeing 314 , plus trainers, and Other asst.

Army

900,000 Men

39 Divisions, 12 Artillery Brigades. 5 tank Brigades.

Help

[DuQuense]

Jet Foil Class Patrol Boat At Fort Lisbon 1939, Torpedo tube closed.

[Ward]

Originally Posted by DuQuense

Royal Cameroon Military

Navy
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk


I just like the looks of these, Cameroon of Course has It's own name for the Classes.
Cameroon has embarked on a major rebuilt and upgrade of It's Armed Forces, under the Nationalists.

600.000 Men

7 Battleships -3 Vittorio Veneto Class- 3 Richelieu class -1 Colorado Class
5 Battle Cruisers –2 Graf Spee, -2 hood, -1 Bismark class

3- Aircraft Carriers -2 Albatross, class seaplane carriers, -1 Eagle class

50 cruisers
160 destroyers
40 submarines
210 patrol Boats, jetfoil Class, 77', 5” gun, 2 torpedo tubes
120 Patrol boats. jet class , 110'. 5” gun, 3” gun, 2 torpedo tubes.
hundreds of other Ships and Boats from Tenders down to Yachts, & Tugs.

Air Forces
http://www.fighter-planes.com/

Most of Cameroons Planes are Flying Boats or Float Planes, So take these as Analogues of them


245.000 Men

130 Squardons, 71 fighter, 22 bomber.
51 - Fokker GI Float planes
20- Yakolew Yak-3
16- A B-11 type seaplane
05- a enlarged Fokker GI, Fighter Bomber.

there are also several squadrons of Transport planes from Sikorsky S-42 to Boeing 314 , plus trainers, and Other asst.

Army

900,000 Men

39 Divisions, 12 Artillery Brigades. 5 tank Brigades.

Help

I think your navy is just to big take a look at the Italian or French Navy for size you are larger then both the Japanise and British Navies in Crusiers and almost 2/3 the size of both there DD fleets . Also the Bismark was not a Battle Crusier it was a BB . In Fact Why would you spend that much on your navy . I could see you having a navy the size of sweden of 1939 . But You have a Fleet right now the US would have lots of trouble in 1943 fighting .
Sorry but please redo your navy .

[DuQuense]

The Royal Navy was, in 1939, the largest naval force in the world. The fleet contained 15 Battleships, 7 Aircraft carriers, 66 cruisers, 184 Destroyers, 60 submarines and a number of support vessels. The main Naval base at Scapa Flow was considered to be impregnable and dominated the passage between the North Sea and the Atlantic Ocean. Additionally there were navies controlled by British Dominions. Though impressive in terms of size, the Royal Navy in 1939 had several weaknesses. Many of the capital ships were old, only 2 post dated the First World War. The air power of the Royal navy was limited to short range reconnaissance. Many ships of the Fleet were fitted with ASDIC, a radar system that could detect submarines. Again, this suffered from having a short range and was not effective when the submarines had surfaced. This combines to leave the fleet open to attack from German U Boats, with only Depth Charges available as effective means of attacking enemy submarines from onboard the ships - air cover was provided by the Coastal Command and British submarines patrolled the North Sea and Northern approaches.

7 Battleships -3 Vittorio Veneto Class- 3 Richelieu class -1 Colorado Class
5 Battle Cruisers –2 Graf Spee, -2 hood, -1 Bismark class

3- Aircraft Carriers -2 Albatross, class seaplane carriers, -1 Eagle class

50 cruisers
160 destroyers
40 submarines
210 patrol Boats, jet-foil Class, 77', 5” gun, 2 torpedo tubes
120 Patrol boats. jet class , 110'. 5” gun, 3” gun, 2 torpedo tubes.
hundreds of other Ships and Boats from Tenders down to Yachts, & Tugs.

I have fewer BB's only one real Aircraft Carrier and that a 1920's type, Fewer Cruisers, Destroyers, and Subs. I also picked out some older types, so that I wasn't all 1939 ships.
This is a Fascist Country, Building a Navy for Prestige. I also have a coast on the Atlantic, so have delusions of World Power.

[Norbert]

Military of South Africa

Army: Vehicle Types
Recon Tanks: AMR-33, AMR-35: being upgraded to AMR-35 ZT3
Light Tanks: R-35, H-35: being upgraded to H-39
Main Battle Tank: Char-B1, Souma S-35: being upgraded to Char-B1bis
Infantry Tank: FT-17c, FT-17m: being upgraded to FCM-36
Wheeled APC: Laffley S20L
Tracked APC: Lorraine 38L
Armored Cars: Laffley 80AM, Dingo Scout Car
Halftrack: AMC P16mle29
SPAA: Camion DCA-MG, DCA 20mm, DCA 25mm, DCA 75mm
TD-Jeep: Laffley W15 TCC, S20TL Portee
Artillery: 105mmL mle36, 105mmL mle 13S, 155mmC mle17S, 75mm mle 1897
AA: 20mm DCA mle 39, 25mmCA mle38, 75mmCA mle 32, 13mm DCA MG

Army: Divisions (Full Str/Under Str (75%)/Cadre (40%))
Infantry 4/5/6 90,335
Mountain Infantry 2/3/3 48,505
Motorized Infantry 2/4/5 62,300
Alpine Infantry 1/1/2 10,200
Cavalry 4/3/2 22,870
Desert Infantry 1/2/2 29,370
Armor 2/3/3 25,234 1272 Tanks
Marines 1/1/1 8,600

Total Troops + Command 330,129

Air Corps
Fighters: 60 I-16/10; 60 I-17; 112 MiG-1; 136 MiG-3; 124 LaGG-3; 134 Yak-1
Bombers: 48 TB-3; 96 SB-2; 168 Su-2; 96 Il-4; 180 Pe-2; 120 Pe-8
Ground Attack: 60 Yak-4; 72 Il-2 Sturmovik
Sea Planes: 12 MBR-2; 36 MDR-6; 24 KOR-1; 24 MB-411
Trainers: 82 Po-2
Transports: 47 C-47; 43 C-54; 37 Tupolev G-2

Total Air Crews + Command and Support: 57,146

Navy:
BC Dunquerque 2
BB Richlieu 2+2 (1@+2 months, 1@+14 months)
CV Bearn 1
CV Joffre 1
CA Duquense 2
CA Suffren 4
CA Algerie 1
CL Dugay Trouin 3
CL Pluton 1
CL Jeanne D'Arc 1 Training Cruiser
CL Emile Bertin 1
DD Chacoal 6; DD Guepard 6; DD Aigile 6; DD Vauquelin 6; DD Le Fantastique 6
DD Mogador 6+6
DD Bourrasque 12; DD L'Adroit 14; DD Le Hardi 8
TB Le Melpomene 49
TB La Fier 7
SS Requin 6; SS Sirene 3; SS Ariane 3; SS Circe 3; SS Redoubtable 18; SS Saphir 4; SS Surcouf 2; SS Arrgonaute 3; SS Diane 6; SS Orion 2; SS Minerve 4; SS Aurore 6
ES Bougainville 10
MS Elan 48
CH 1-21 (21)
In Mothballs:
BB Danton 1; BB Courbet 3; BB Bretagne 3

Naval Personel + Shore Command and Support 68,489


Total Military Personel: 455,764

Note: Many able bodies join the military, or face a 27% unemployment rate

[Norbert]

Originally Posted by Norbert

Military of South Africa

Army: Vehicle Types
Recon Tanks: AMR-33, AMR-35: being upgraded to AMR-35 ZT3
Light Tanks: R-35, H-35: being upgraded to H-39
Main Battle Tank: Char-B1, Souma S-35: being upgraded to Char-B1bis
Infantry Tank: FT-17c, FT-17m: being upgraded to FCM-36
Wheeled APC: Laffley S20L
Tracked APC: Lorraine 38L
Armored Cars: Laffley 80AM, Dingo Scout Car
Halftrack: AMC P16mle29
SPAA: Camion DCA-MG, DCA 20mm, DCA 25mm, DCA 75mm
TD-Jeep: Laffley W15 TCC, S20TL Portee
Artillery: 105mmL mle36, 105mmL mle 13S, 155mmC mle17S, 75mm mle 1897
AA: 20mm DCA mle 39, 25mmCA mle38, 75mmCA mle 32, 13mm DCA MG

Army: Divisions (Full Str/Under Str (75%)/Cadre (40%))
Infantry 4/5/6 90,335
Mountain Infantry 2/3/3 48,505
Motorized Infantry 2/4/5 62,300
Alpine Infantry 1/1/2 10,200
Cavalry 4/3/2 22,870
Desert Infantry 1/2/2 29,370
Armor 2/3/3 25,234 1272 Tanks
Marines 1/1/1 8,600

Total Troops + Command 330,129

Air Corps
Fighters: 60 I-16/10; 60 I-17; 112 MiG-1; 136 MiG-3; 124 LaGG-3; 134 Yak-1
Bombers: 48 TB-3; 96 SB-2; 168 Su-2; 96 Il-4; 180 Pe-2; 120 Pe-8
Ground Attack: 60 Yak-4; 72 Il-2 Sturmovik
Sea Planes: 12 MBR-2; 36 MDR-6; 24 KOR-1; 24 MB-411
Trainers: 82 Po-2
Transports: 47 C-47; 43 C-54; 37 Tupolev G-2

Total Air Crews + Command and Support: 57,146

Navy:
BC Dunquerque 2
BB Richlieu 2+2 (1@+2 months, 1@+14 months)
CV Bearn 1
CV Joffre 1
CA Duquense 2
CA Suffren 4
CA Algerie 1
CL Dugay Trouin 3
CL Pluton 1
CL Jeanne D'Arc 1 Training Cruiser
CL Emile Bertin 1
CL La Galissonniere 6 (missed these in original post)
DD Chacoal 6; DD Guepard 6; DD Aigile 6; DD Vauquelin 6; DD Le Fantastique 6
DD Mogador 6+6
DD Bourrasque 12; DD L'Adroit 14; DD Le Hardi 8
TB Le Melpomene 49
TB La Fier 7
SS Requin 6; SS Sirene 3; SS Ariane 3; SS Circe 3; SS Redoubtable 18; SS Saphir 4; SS Surcouf 2; SS Arrgonaute 3; SS Diane 6; SS Orion 2; SS Minerve 4; SS Aurore 6
ES Bougainville 10
MS Elan 48
CH 1-21 (21)
In Mothballs:
BB Danton 1; BB Courbet 3; BB Bretagne 3

Naval Personel + Shore Command and Support 68,489


Total Military Personel: 455,764

Note: Many able bodies join the military, or face a 27% unemployment rate

22 x 12in Coastal Guns (forgot these, had them on my list to put on)
30 x 9.5 in Coastal Guns

[Soyuz]

Army

*Hungary that took mobile warfare seriously and began expanding tank production and import, designed the Turan III early (a tank on par with the Panzer III) and formed an extra Armored Corps.*

Divisions (mobilized, full strength, under strength, cadre, training, recruiting, restructuring, etc):
Armored: 4
Light: 1
Cavalry: 1
Infantry: 24
Security: 2
Organized in the I.-IX. Army Corps and I.-II. Armored Corps, in turn organized in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd Armies.

Recon tanks:
38M Toldi

Light tanks:
Turan I – 210 tanks
Turan II – 149 tanks
The Ansaldo CV33 – 65 tanks

Medium tanks:
Turan III – 110 tanks
Panzer III – 70 tanks
Panzer IV – 45 tanks

Armored cars:
Tatra Koprivnice T-72 – 47 cars
39 M Csaba Scout Car – 91 cars

Assault gun:
40/43M Zrinyi – 50 tanks
StuG III – 40 tanks

AA:
40M Nimrod – 130 vehicles


Airforce

*Basically OTL, there are little or no Hungarian manufactured planes, but this time the imports are of greater number and quality*

Fighters:
Avia B.534
Heinkel He 112 - 46 planes
Messerschmitt Bf 109 - 19 planes
RE 2000 (Hejja)

Bombers:
Caproni Ca.101
Caproni Ca.310
Fiat CR.30
Junkers Ju 86
Junkers Ju 87
Junkers Ju 88

Transport/Recon/Communication/Other:
Focke-Wulf FW 58
Heinkel He 70
Junkers Ju 52
Mersserschmitt Bf 108
Weiss WM 21 (Fokker C.V)

Training:
Breda Ba.25
Bucker Bu.131
Fiat CR.32
Focke-Wulf FW 56
Weiss EM 10

Total combat planes – 326
Total training planes – 128
Total liaison & experimental – 28
Grand total – 482

Navy

A number of small river patrol craft

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Total military:
482,500 (?- I could not find any specific data or reference, so I had to guess this part)

[Norbert]

Originally Posted by DuQuense

Jet Foil Class Patrol Boat At Fort Lisbon 1939, Torpedo tube closed.

Though my photo is of a different angle, this looks like an edited photo of a Pegasus class hydrofoil, circa 1975.

PHM 3 Aquila to be specific, Launch May 8, 1981 built by Boeing

[Glen]

Originally Posted by Ward

I Would like nations to use there own Equpment first before using some one else equpment . Like Germany I do not want to see you running T-34 as your tanks.

While this would be a good rule of thumb for nations with recent PODs (like in the past 20-30 years), it is not a good one for nations with PODs 50 or more years in the past, as their whole history of military development is different.

Also, this should have been posted at the very beginning of the claims section, since you are now having geography suggest military, and thus might have influenced peoples' claiming processes.

Also Give reasons why you are chosing this type of equpment even if it just to say well my country has always bought from there , or she is an allie .

This is reasonable to a degree, again for more recent POD nations. But it will make little sense for a nation that has a POD centuries ago, and for whom most nations that would have produced these weapons didn't even exist.

We are using these stats and weapons as analogue stand-ins for what was developed in OTLs. It is unreasonable to believe that weapons development would be the same everywhere, everytimeline.

[Norbert]

Talking to Ward, having equipment to reflect the nation is not set in stone, just a suggestion that there is other equipment besides German, French, British Japanese, and Italian (but as to the Italian vehicles, IMO they are almost worthless during WWII, though with better materials, they might do all right(design by committee)).

[Norbert]

For Ward
Navy of Brunswich East Asia Trading Company
(Army and Air Force to be added later)
This is my fleet as it is divided into Divisions and Flotillas

[Douglas]

NOTICE: IF SPRINGSHARP IS GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO BE USED TO SIMULATE WARSHIPS, I WILL MODIFY MY ENTIRE FLEET

Walter McDonald has been president of the Federated States of America since 1929, promising revenge against the nations who ruined the republic in the Great American War, Great Britain, France, and Mexico. Part of his plan included the massive rebuilding of the once mighty Federated States Navy (FSN), which was unfortunately trapped and destroyed in unequal combat with the RN and MN battlefleets at the Battle of the Prince Rupert Islands in August 1918. The Navy is second only to the Army in terms of emphasis placed on it, and the much pride (and cash!) is expended lavishly on the fleet, preparing for revenge...

BATTLESHIPS

(building)FSS Washington, Indiana, Wisconsin (OTL North Carolina class)
commissioning in Apr 1940, Jun 1940, and Nov 1940 respectively
9 x 16", 35,000 tons

(planned)FSS Montana, Illinois (OTL Montana class)
laying down early-mid 1941, commissioning mid-late 1944
12 x 16", 60,500 tons

OBSOLETE BATTLESHIPS

FSS Kansas, Minnesota (OTL Connecticut class pre-dreadnoughts)
4 x 12", 8 x 8", 16,000 tons

AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

FSS Fremont (OTL Ranger class)
72 aircraft, 14,500 tons

(building)FSS Cahokia, Little Bighorn (OTL Essex class)
commissioning Dec 1941 and Jan 1942 respectively
90 aircraft, 27,000 tons

HEAVY CRUISERS

FSS Chicago, Portland, Astoria, Minneapolis (OTL Chicago class)
9 x 8" guns, 10,000 tons

LIGHT CRUISERS

FSS Denver, Santa Fe, Detroit, Springfield, Topeka (OTL Cleveland class)
commissioning Oct 1941, Nov 1941, Jan 1942, Sep 1942, Dec 1942 respectively
12 x 6" guns, 10,000 tons

FSS Boise, Phoenix, St Louis, Helena (OTL Brooklyn class)
15 x 6" guns, 9,500 tons

FSS Omaha, Milwaukee (OTL Milwaukee class)
12 x 6" guns, 7,500 tons

OBSOLETE CRUISERS

FSS South Dakota, Oregon (OTL California [1906] class)
4 x 8", 14 6", 13,600 tons

DESTROYERS
To come, along with smaller vessels and submarines.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Royal Navy Capital Ships

Note: In Britain's TL, the naval war during the 1916-1920 war was intense, leading to greater production of battleships in the post war period, and during the war, including extremely heavy guns and armor. The Iron Duke Class is the oldest class still in active service, built in the years 1917-1918. They shoul be considered the OTL equivalent of the Nelson Class. The Dreadnought Class is a massive ship.

Aircraft Carriers are a relatively new development, gaining their own life in small wars Japan has been waging against China. Britain and Japan have worked closely to develop effective carrier tactics.

Iron Duke class

Iron Duke
Marlborough

King Edward VII class

King Edward VII
Warspite
Barham
Valiant
Malaya

Revenge class

Royal Oak
Royal Sovereign
Revenge
Resolution
Gurnsey

Nelson class

Nelson
Rodney
Griffin
Hipolyta
Hercules

King Alexander Class

King Alexander
Prince of Wales
Duke of York
Anson
Howe
Emperor of India

Dreadnought Class

Dreadnought
Peerless

Aircraft Carriers

Argus
Furious

Glorious class

Glorious
Courageous
Vindictive
Eagle
Hermes
Ark Royal
Unicorn

Illustrious class

Illustrious
Formidable
Victorious
Indomitable

Implacable class

Implacable
Indefatigable
Benbow
Agincourt
Erin
Canada

[Ward]

Originally Posted by Bulgaroktonos

Royal Navy Capital Ships

Note: In Britain's TL, the naval war during the 1916-1920 war was intense, leading to greater production of battleships in the post war period, and during the war, including extremely heavy guns and armor. The Iron Duke Class is the oldest class still in active service, built in the years 1917-1918. They shoul be considered the OTL equivalent of the Nelson Class. The Dreadnought Class is a massive ship.

Aircraft Carriers are a relatively new development, gaining their own life in small wars Japan has been waging against China. Britain and Japan have worked closely to develop effective carrier tactics.

Iron Duke class

Iron Duke
Marlborough

King Edward VII class

King Edward VII
Warspite
Barham
Valiant
Malaya

Revenge class

Royal Oak
Royal Sovereign
Revenge
Resolution
Gurnsey

Nelson class

Nelson
Rodney
Griffin
Hipolyta
Hercules

King Alexander Class

King Alexander
Prince of Wales
Duke of York
Anson
Howe
Emperor of India

Dreadnought Class

Dreadnought
Peerless

Aircraft Carriers

Argus
Furious

Glorious class

Glorious
Courageous
Vindictive
Eagle
Hermes
Ark Royal
Unicorn

Illustrious class

Illustrious
Formidable
Victorious
Indomitable

Implacable class

Implacable
Indefatigable
Benbow
Agincourt
Erin
Canada

Lets not go over board on the Cairriers Guys . we cut the US out so we would not have that large of CV Fleets Rember the CV has not been proven yet in battle . so why have this many Carriers.

[DuQuense]

. Also the Bismark was not a Battle Cruiser it was a BB

But most PR releases between 1936 when Germany refuted the Versailles Treaty and 1939 when Germany went to war. Referred to Her as a heavy Cruiser.
I'll adjust my Navy

Though my photo is of a different angle, this looks like an edited photo of a Pegasus class hydrofoil, circa 1975.

PHM 3 Aquila to be specific, Launch May 8, 1981 built by Boeing

OTL Yes
In 1919 a jet propelled boat set the world water speed record that held for 10 years But problems with Power and Centrifugal pumps, killed interest in Jet boats till after WW2.
ATL
With a thousand mile long Waterway to Patrol and Protect, Cameroon maintained interest,

OTL
there was lots of ideas for use of foil Boats in the post WW1 years, but the great Depression Killed the ideas.

ATL
Thro you can't see it due to the Spray, the boat is using 1920's U-Foils, and not todays T-foils.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Originally Posted by Ward

Lets not go over board on the Cairriers Guys . we cut the US out so we would not have that large of CV Fleets Rember the CV has not been proven yet in battle . so why have this many Carriers.

That is the OTL list of the Royal Navy's carrier fleet in 1940......Only three were finished that year, meaning they'd been in production since at least 1938.............

[DuQuense]

Yes but Isot is Jan 1940. so cut out at least the ones completed in 1940[list them as under Construction.