TL Description and Title Game

[Tsao]

Originally Posted by Evan

A World of Black and White, of course.

Next: The Pennsylvania Republicans give in a little sooner for an Adams-Jefferson compromise ticket, causing Adams to win the Presidency in 1800, with Jefferson (again) as his vice-president. Adams catches yellow fever the next summer and dies, catapulting Jefferson into a Presidency not noticeably different from OTL. Butterflies are extremely restrained... until the 1900's, when the Supreme Court notes the Sedition Act of 1798 was approved by the people in the 1800 election. Therefore, they say, the First Amendment only prevents prior restraint; the government can do whatever they want to you after you've said it.

Read the Fine Print

Mongolia holds out against the Reds during the RCW and remains firmly under Sternberg's control. Sternberg maintains control of Mongolia through the Interwar period, and during WWII he joins the Axis. Zany shit ensues, and the Chinese Nationalists depose and execute Sternberg after WWII. Southern Mongolia becomes a Nationalist puppet, and experiences a small economic boom in the 60s. Northern Mongolia experiences history closer to OTL, being a Soviet puppet until the SU's fall in 1979. Nationalist China changes the whole Cold War, resulting in a somewhat better world.

[John Fredrick Parker]

The Long Reign of the Bloody Baron

The year 1787 sees Northwest Ordinance bans slavery in "territories acquired in the next five years", as well as Hamilton putting off introducing his "British Plan" at the Philadelphia Convention. First part means that when Tennessee is brought in as a territory (as OTL), the Yazoo Lands are as well (earlier than OTL), and Kentucky votes to prohibit slavery in its constitution -- all that means that slavery soon becomes restricted to the southeastern seaboard. Meanwhile, the Convention discusses and rejects the Slave Trade Clause, leaving the issue of the trade untouched.

This TL sees President Adams outlawing the Atlantic slave trade in America; a later Cotton Gin (1808); black heroes in the War of 1812; an earlier War with Mexico, and a free Texas; and a Carolina War in the 1840's that ends with the abolition of slavery in the United States. Oh, and TTL is an Ameriwank, with annexations in Nicaragua (and possibly Cuba).

[modelcitizen]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

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The year 1787 sees Northwest Ordinance bans slavery in "territories acquired in the next five years", as well as Hamilton putting off introducing his "British Plan" at the Philadelphia Convention. First part means that when Tennessee is brought in as a territory (as OTL), the Yazoo Lands are as well (earlier than OTL), and Kentucky votes to prohibit slavery in its constitution -- all that means that slavery soon becomes restricted to the southeastern seaboard. Meanwhile, the Convention discusses and rejects the Slave Trade Clause, leaving the issue of the trade untouched.

This TL sees President Adams outlawing the Atlantic slave trade in America; a later Cotton Gin (1808); black heroes in the War of 1812; an earlier War with Mexico, and a free Texas; and a Carolina War in the 1840's that ends with the abolition of slavery in the United States. Oh, and TTL is an Ameriwank, with annexations in Nicaragua (and possibly Cuba).

this is a toughie!

"A Kinder, Gentler Empire"

"A Prouder American History"

"Less Separate, More Equal..."

"Free At First! Free At First! Thank G-d Almighty..."

"Starting Closer To The Mountaintop"

"A Shorter Deferment For The Dream"

"General Dred Scott At Vera Cruz"

"How General Dred Scott Returned To Vera Cruz"



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In this scenario, the Manhattan Project pursues Edward Teller's idea for 'The Super' and ends up producing a hydrogen/thermonuclear bomb by early 1944. Two bombs are readied for Nazi Germany... In a horrific accident, one of the planes containing a bomb has trouble shortly after take-off, and, losing communications while flying at night above a darkened British landscape, the plane attempts a blind crash-landing, which ends up more crash then landing... The impact manages to set the device off, and from the place of impact on the outskirts of London, pure hell erupts. (The Nazis are torn on whether to gloat or piss their pants or perhaps both.)

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by modelcitizen

this is a toughie!

"A Kinder, Gentler Empire"

"A Prouder American History"

"Less Separate, More Equal..."

"Free At First! Free At First! Thank G-d Almighty..."

"Starting Closer To The Mountaintop"

"A Shorter Deferment For The Dream"

"General Dred Scott At Vera Cruz"

"How General Dred Scott Returned To Vera Cruz"

I like the bolded one best, with the underlined ones following. This ATL American Empire wouldn't necessarily be "kinder" or "gentler", and just becausse slavery ends sooner doesn't necessarily mean "less separate". And I hadn't even thought of Dred Scott's fate TTL...

[Tsao]

Originally Posted by modelcitizen

In this scenario, the Manhattan Project pursues Edward Teller's idea for 'The Super' and ends up producing a hydrogen/thermonuclear bomb by early 1944. Two bombs are readied for Nazi Germany... In a horrific accident, one of the planes containing a bomb has trouble shortly after take-off, and, losing communications while flying at night above a darkened British landscape, the plane attempts a blind crash-landing, which ends up more crash then landing... The impact manages to set the device off, and from the place of impact on the outskirts of London, pure hell erupts. (The Nazis are torn on whether to gloat or piss their pants or perhaps both.)

Blackout

A TL where Sun Yat-sen was assassinated in 1912 by a former Qing clerk with a mental illness (think John Schrank), leading to a much more militiant Kuomingtang under on of the Xinhai revolutionaries. In the north, Yuan Shikai reinstates the Qing Dynasty, beginning an era of oppression and poverty in the North. In the Western provinces, the local governors are left to fight it out amongst themselves. Meanwhile, Japan and Russia hungrily eye Manchuria, each hoping to take it for their own. The Russo-Japanese rivalry in Manchuria shifts alliances and Russia ends up allied with France and the Ottoman Empire against Germany, AH, and Japan, with GB watching events unfold with a worried eye. At this time, a certain Archduke is killed by a Serbian bomb in Sarajevo......

[John Fredrick Parker]

The Ill Dragon and the Prickled Bear

The French Royal Family escape to the Austrian Netherlands during the Flight to Varennes. Thus, the National Constituent Assembly votes that Louis, his son, and brothers have "vacated" the throne; after debating a Republican measure, Louis Phillipe [II] is offered the throne, and accepts. Oh, and without the Champ de Mars Massacre, LaFayette remains popular, and goes on to be an important part of French politics, serving as PM on several occasions. The TL also sees a limited war with Austria; surviving "bastard laws" in France, picking up elsewhere; a French Haiti that provides citizenship for the Gens du Color; Thomas Jefferson elected US President in 1796; a less influential Edmund Burke; and more.

[Jokerang]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

The Ill Dragon and the Prickled Bear

The French Royal Family escape to the Austrian Netherlands during the Flight to Varennes. Thus, the National Constituent Assembly votes that Louis, his son, and brothers have "vacated" the throne; after debating a Republican measure, Louis Phillipe [II] is offered the throne, and accepts. Oh, and without the Champ de Mars Massacre, LaFayette remains popular, and goes on to be an important part of French politics, serving as PM on several occasions. The TL also sees a limited war with Austria; surviving "bastard laws" in France, picking up elsewhere; a French Haiti that provides citizenship for the Gens du Color; Thomas Jefferson elected US President in 1796; a less influential Edmund Burke; and more.

The Reasonable Choice

The Khans bring their armies into France and the Byzantine Empire. THe Khanate, truly the largest country in the world, begins to decline, but never breaks apart.

[Tsao]

Originally Posted by Jokerang

The Khans bring their armies into France and the Byzantine Empire. The Khanate, truly the largest country in the world, begins to decline, but never breaks apart.

The Day That Tengri Smiled Upon Us

The Ottoman Empire remains neutral in WWI because the Kaiser's diplomatic heavyhandedness alienates the Turks, particularly an extremely offensive telegraphed that called the Turks 'barbarians', as well as other things. This leadis to a stronger, federalized Ottoman Empire that survives well into the 1960s before peacefully dismantling due to British* pressure.

*CP Victory world, quick German victory in 1914, Neutral Britain

[John Fredrick Parker]

An Ottoman is Not a Footstool

Madison Administration gets Congress to hold off on declaring War against Britain for a few months. In the interim, word reaches of the end of naval impressment, thus averting the War of 1812. Much US military buildup follows, and William Crawford is elected President in 1816. All leads to US declaring war with Spain (over Florida, and other things) in 1818. Also sees earlier Mexican independence, Monroe elected 1820, and better US relations with Latin America.

[Michael Wittmann]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

An Ottoman is Not a Footstool

Madison Administration gets Congress to hold off on declaring War against Britain for a few months. In the interim, word reaches of the end of naval impressment, thus averting the War of 1812. Much US military buildup follows, and William Crawford is elected President in 1816. All leads to US declaring war with Spain (over Florida, and other things) in 1818. Also sees earlier Mexican independence, Monroe elected 1820, and better US relations with Latin America.

The TRUE USA

Again, Spain goes resurgent with the Viceroyalty of La Plata (Excluding Bolivia & including Chile) as their last American colony and expands in Africa & Asia and declaring Tordesillas void. The Spaniards seize Taiwan instead of Japan following a short war with the Qing in 1895.

[Tsao]

Originally Posted by Michael Wittmann

The TRUE USA

Again, Spain goes resurgent with the Viceroyalty of La Plata (Excluding Bolivia & including Chile) as their last American colony and expands in Africa & Asia and declaring Tordesillas void. The Spaniards seize Taiwan instead of Japan following a short war with the Qing in 1895.

Today is Spain's Day!

Independent Socialist former Polish colony in OTL Cuba. 'Nuff Said. POD in the 1300s.

[modelcitizen]

Originally Posted by Marshal Duan

Today is Spain's Day!

Independent Socialist former Polish colony in OTL Cuba. 'Nuff Said. POD in the 1300s.

The Kielbasa That Smokes Like A Cigar...


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Maxim's gigantic steam-powered airplane works. Thus, the air-travel industry gets a magnificent jump-start at least a decade or two early.

[Codae]

Originally Posted by modelcitizen

Maxim's gigantic steam-powered airplane works. Thus, the air-travel industry gets a magnificent jump-start at least a decade or two early.

Whatever Happens, We Have Got...

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Massachusetts does not ratify the US Constitution. While the Americans are able to cobble together everything south of New York, with Connecticut as an exclave, it is a weak union, based on a series of understandings limiting the central government's control. John Marshall's failure to reach the Supreme Court only accentuates that.

The French Revolution goes off more or less the same, but Napoleon doesn't make it into power and a moderate republic reasserts itself. As a consequence, that round of European wars is largely averted.

By the 1830s, radical ideologies in Europe and eceonomic disagreements in America begin to provoke overturn. The *Nullification Crisis is peacefully settled in favor of the southern growers, prompting Connecticut to secede and join the confederation in New England. Meanwhile, the monarchial regimes in Spain and many German or Italian states are toppled, and Britain and France squabble over the remains in a worldwide contest--which France wins. By the end of the war, France is the leader of Europe and has made progress in prying open Britain's foreign markets.

It is the *ACW that sparks the next conflagration. Abolitionists in the northern fringe of states come into conflict with southern slaveocrats, and in 1864 the South tries to put them down by arms. However, the North has support from New York, New England, and--most importantly--Britain. France and the slaveholding Republic of Louisiana (*Texas) take the other side, just as Russia and Bavaria move for their own places in the Sun. What emerges in France after its hard-fought loss is an Emergency Government, which is in fact a socialist dictatorship itching for a chance to deal with that Germany that somehow popped up next to it.

[modelcitizen]

Originally Posted by Codae

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Massachusetts does not ratify the US Constitution. While the Americans are able to cobble together everything south of New York, with Connecticut as an exclave, it is a weak union, based on a series of understandings limiting the central government's control. John Marshall's failure to reach the Supreme Court only accentuates that.

The French Revolution goes off more or less the same, but Napoleon doesn't make it into power and a moderate republic reasserts itself. As a consequence, that round of European wars is largely averted.

By the 1830s, radical ideologies in Europe and eceonomic disagreements in America begin to provoke overturn. The *Nullification Crisis is peacefully settled in favor of the southern growers, prompting Connecticut to secede and join the confederation in New England. Meanwhile, the monarchial regimes in Spain and many German or Italian states are toppled, and Britain and France squabble over the remains in a worldwide contest--which France wins. By the end of the war, France is the leader of Europe and has made progress in prying open Britain's foreign markets.

It is the *ACW that sparks the next conflagration. Abolitionists in the northern fringe of states come into conflict with southern slaveocrats, and in 1864 the South tries to put them down by arms. However, the North has support from New York, New England, and--most importantly--Britain. France and the slaveholding Republic of Louisiana (*Texas) take the other side, just as Russia and Bavaria move for their own places in the Sun. What emerges in France after its hard-fought loss is an Emergency Government, which is in fact a socialist dictatorship itching for a chance to deal with that Germany that somehow popped up next to it.

Yankee Flint Yields Not To Slaveocrat Steel



Andrew Lloyd Weber stages Batman: The Opera. Butterflies include US President Colin Powell 1996-2004 and the successful absorption of Kuwait into Iraq.

[RunAwayFromDangerMan]

Originally Posted by modelcitizen

Yankee Flint Yields Not To Slaveocrat Steel



William Lloyd Weber stages Batman: The Opera. Butterflies include US President Colin Powell 1996-2004 and the successful absorption of Kuwait into Iraq.

How The Hell Did This Happen?

The Manhattan Project ends with a bang in early 1945 when an out-of-control nuclear reaction started by Fermi destroys Chicago and kills most of the scientists involved. The US subsequently invades Japan and manages to put it down with quite a bit of difficulty: nonetheless, the Americans have lost quite a bit of respect in the eyes of the world after Chicago, and the Cold War begins with an obvious Soviet advantage. Bombs become more widespread than missiles. The Cold War finally ends with a more democratic USSR defeating the US, which slides back into hardcore isolationism.

[Michael Wittmann]

Originally Posted by RunAwayFromDangerMan

How The Hell Did This Happen?

The Manhattan Project ends with a bang in early 1945 when an out-of-control nuclear reaction started by Fermi destroys Chicago and kills most of the scientists involved. The US subsequently invades Japan and manages to put it down with quite a bit of difficulty: nonetheless, the Americans have lost quite a bit of respect in the eyes of the world after Chicago, and the Cold War begins with an obvious Soviet advantage. Bombs become more widespread than missiles. The Cold War finally ends with a more democratic USSR defeating the US, which slides back into hardcore isolationism.

Soyuz Nerushimy!

Wladyslaw Jagiello of Lithuania converts to Orthodoxy and declares union w/ Muscovy. Meanwhile instead of Lithuania, Poland and Hungary became the Polish-Hungarian Commonwealth.

[Sarastro42]

Originally Posted by Michael Wittmann

Soyuz Nerushimy!

Wladyslaw Jagiello of Lithuania converts to Orthodoxy and declares union w/ Muscovy. Meanwhile instead of Lithuania, Poland and Hungary became the Polish-Hungarian Commonwealth.

The Commonweal and the Cross: The Story of the Polish-Hungarian-Teutonic-Muscovite War.

Instead of awaiting the dreaded command to become the Governor-General of the Low Countries, Don John of Austria acts on his half-mad plan to rescue Mary, Queen of Scots from imprisonment. Don John and his Spanish troops successfully carry out the daring raid and return Mary to Scotland. In a glorious welcome in Ediburgh, Mary is restored her to the throne. Enraged, Queen Elizabeth summons her armies and marches north. The black flag of war darkens the British Isles as the Pope backs the cause of Scotland, Spain prepares an Armada to storm the southern coast of England, and rumors of a royal wedding between the Austrian prince and Scottish Queen spread. . .

[Tsao]

Originally Posted by Sarastro42

The Commonweal and the Cross: The Story of the Polish-Hungarian-Teutonic-Muscovite War.

Instead of awaiting the dreaded command to become the Governor-General of the Low Countries, Don John of Austria acts on his half-mad plan to rescue Mary, Queen of Scots from imprisonment. Don John and his Spanish troops successfully carry out the daring raid and return Mary to Scotland. In a glorious welcome in Ediburgh, Mary is restored her to the throne. Enraged, Queen Elizabeth summons her armies and marches north. The black flag of war darkens the British Isles as the Pope backs the cause of Scotland, Spain prepares an Armada to storm the southern coast of England, and rumors of a royal wedding between the Austrian prince and Scottish Queen spread. . .

The Tale of Don John the Scot-Snatcher

A TL where Leopold II does not make a grab for the Congo; instead, he sets his eyes on the eyes on the East Indies, particularly Papua.....

[John Fredrick Parker]

The Butcher of New Guinea

John Q Adams takes umbrage when a friend of Clay approaches for a political deal in 1825. Following their nominee's stroke, Crawford's supporters turn to Andrew Jackson, who is confirmed by the House. His Presidency is more troubled than OTL, seeing little popular backing for banking policies and killing his VP Calhoun in a duel during a nullification controversy. He is defeated in 1828 by Henry Clay.

TL sees the American Plan enacted in the 1830's; Cherokees getting (albeit reluctant and belated) Federal protection; Presidents Lewis Cass and John Fremont; Speaker and VP Abraham Lincoln; an earlier Westward expansion and Civil War; and more.

[Unknown]

Andy Jackson's Troubles

Stonewall Jackson isn't shot in 1862. This leads to the Confederates winning at the Battle of Pipe Creek (this TL's version of Gettysburg). Grant still wins at Vicksburg, though, and the Civil War ends in September 1865. Oh, and Lincoln isn't killed.