TL Description and Title Game

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Barbarossa Rotbart

Queen Elizabth II has only daughters. And Princess Anne, the Princess of Wales, is a lesbian, who does not want to 'stay in the closet'. The timeline explores how this will not only affect the United Kingdom but also if and how this affects LGBT rights.

The Sapphic Queen: An ASB TL

Hannibal marches on Rome, forces a peace, and takes hostages from all the leading patrician families. The Carthaginian Empire regains lost provinces, as well as Sicily, and continues to exert it's power and influence from there. And when the Peace of Hannibal breaks down, as Roman Italy undergoes a revolution of sorts where the patricians lose their special powers and a more egalitarian republic emerges to declare war on Carthage anew...

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

The Sapphic Queen: An ASB TL

Hannibal marches on Rome, forces a peace, and takes hostages from all the leading patrician families. The Carthaginian Empire regains lost provinces, as well as Sicily, and continues to exert it's power and influence from there. And when the Peace of Hannibal breaks down, as Roman Italy undergoes a revolution of sorts where the patricians lose their special powers and a more egalitarian republic emerges to declare war on Carthage anew...

Carthage's Back, Baby...

Abraham Lincoln loses the 1860 election to John C. Breckinridge, which then passes pro-slavery laws. The North secedes in Breckinridge's second term, and the British intervene. After a long and bloody war, with a lot of memorable events, including the Booth-Lincoln duel between Vice President John Wilkes Booth and failed presidential nomination Abraham Lincoln, that ends up with Lincoln killing Booth, and being killed himself by Breckinridge, the North is conquered and subjected to the slavery equivalent of Reconstruction, along with Canada...

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Abraham Lincoln loses the 1860 election to John C. Breckinridge, which then passes pro-slavery laws. The North secedes in Breckinridge's second term, and the British intervene. After a long and bloody war, with a lot of memorable events, including the Booth-Lincoln duel between Vice President John Wilkes Booth and failed presidential nomination Abraham Lincoln, that ends up with Lincoln killing Booth, and being killed himself by Breckinridge, the North is conquered and subjected to the slavery equivalent of Reconstruction, along with Canada...

The North Will Rise Again!

Ashunipar of Assyria has a more competent heir in 627 BC, and the Babylonian revolt is averted. As a result, Lydia continues to hold sway in Anatolia and Greece; the Judean Kingdom goes the way of its northern neighbor; the Neo-Assyrian Empire continues through the 6th Century BC; and the new empire uniting Medopotamia and it's environs is something almost as cruel as the Assyrians (and much worse than OTL Persians).

[Codae]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

The North Will Rise Again!

Ashunipar of Assyria has a more competent heir in 627 BC, and the Babylonian revolt is averted. As a result, Lydia continues to hold sway in Anatolia and Greece; the Judean Kingdom goes the way of its northern neighbor; the Neo-Assyrian Empire continues through the 6th Century BC; and the new empire uniting Medopotamia and it's environs is something almost as cruel as the Assyrians (and much worse than OTL Persians).

The Last Hundred and Thirty-Four Limmums

Winfield Scott dies in 1843. This is the first in a series of events that damage the US's ability to fight or improve Mexico's, and when the Mexican War starts pretty much as OTL the US (due to additional bad luck) fails to take the trans-Nueces area or the West. Mexico is still unstable, though, and a revolution in 1869 allows the British to peel off astonishingly cosmopolitan California (which never joins the United States). An American Civil War occurs in the late 1870s, and is won by the Union more easily than IOTL; a Second Mexican War follows not too long after. Meanwhile, the slightly butterflied 1848 revolutions not bringing Napoleon III to power, the French Second Republic continues and plays Prussia and Austria against each other, forestalling German unification while slightly accelerating Italian unification. A World War ends up happening in the early twentieth century, pitting Britain, Mexico, Prussia, Turkey, Japan, and Italy against the United States, France, Austria, Russia, and hitherto-not-as-bad-off-as-in-OTL China, culminating in a nationalist-socialist revolution in Germany and the growth of mild authoritarianism in America.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Codae

The Last Hundred and Thirty-Four Limmums

JTBC, a "Limmun" is an Assyrian year?

[Codae]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

JTBC, a "Limmun" is an Assyrian year?

It's an annually chosen public official. A lot like a Roman consul in the way the year would be named after him.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Codae

It's an annually chosen public official. A lot like a Roman consul in the way the year would be named after him.

Ah -- gotcha

Originally Posted by Codae

Winfield Scott dies in 1843. This is the first in a series of events that damage the US's ability to fight or improve Mexico's, and when the Mexican War starts pretty much as OTL the US (due to additional bad luck) fails to take the trans-Nueces area or the West. Mexico is still unstable, though, and a revolution in 1869 allows the British to peel off astonishingly cosmopolitan California (which never joins the United States). An American Civil War occurs in the late 1870s, and is won by the Union more easily than IOTL; a Second Mexican War follows not too long after. Meanwhile, the slightly butterflied 1848 revolutions not bringing Napoleon III to power, the French Second Republic continues and plays Prussia and Austria against each other, forestalling German unification while slightly accelerating Italian unification. A World War ends up happening in the early twentieth century, pitting Britain, Mexico, Prussia, Turkey, Japan, and Italy against the United States, France, Austria, Russia, and hitherto-not-as-bad-off-as-in-OTL China, culminating in a nationalist-socialist revolution in Germany and the growth of mild authoritarianism in America.

A History of the Many Mexican-American Wars

Tony Blair loses the vote in March 2003 to take Britain to war in Iraq; as promised, he resigns, and the Coalition of the Willing is one member fewer. In the UK, this leads to Prime Ministers John Prescott and Gordon Brown; gives Labor more success in 2005, which allows them to stay in power following the 2009 General Elections; and a lot more money being put into schools and the NHS.

In Iraq, a more strained US military keeps Jay Garner in command locally, allowing elections in the summer of 2003, as well as mostly averting debaathification entirely. However, since Task Force 20 is also put under strain, it leads to Saddam Hussein remaining at large for a longer period of time.

With the Sunni insurgency of OTL largely curbed, the Shia resistence plays a larger (relative) role; and combined with other butterflies, the Bush Administration pursues better relations with Iran. The margins of 2004 a bigger, Ahmedinijad is never installed, and the US is out of Iraq by 2007. However, total fiscal and economic costs are less curbed in the US, so when the economy approaches a breaking point, things the balance of power feels a rumble...

[Alternatehistorybuff5341]

Tony Blair (L) - 1997-2003.

In a timeline with no Chappaquiddick incident, Senator Edward "Ted" Kennedy manages to win the nomination for Democratic Candidate from President Carter in 1980. Running with Governor Jerry Brown, Kennedy just barely manages to beat Ronald Reagan. The butterflies of a second Kennedy Presidency leads to National Healthcare, better education and the legalization of Same Sex Marriage. AT the same time though, the Soviet Union survives to the present, though it is no longer as totalitarian or a Super Power ((Think OTL China)).

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Alternatehistorybuff5341

In a timeline with no Chappaquiddick incident, Senator Edward "Ted" Kennedy manages to win the nomination for Democratic Candidate from President Carter in 1980. Running with Governor Jerry Brown, Kennedy just barely manages to beat Ronald Reagan. The butterflies of a second Kennedy Presidency leads to National Healthcare, better education and the legalization of Same Sex Marriage. AT the same time though, the Soviet Union survives to the present, though it is no longer as totalitarian or a Super Power ((Think OTL China)).

The Kennedys Strike Back

In this world gone mad, the Nazi party never comes to power, as Hitler is killed in the streets of Austria in the 20s. Instead, a communist Germany arises, an ally of the USSR in spreading the ideals. China follows suit, and a red uprising in India, precipitated by the Red Axis, sparks off the second great war.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

In this world gone mad, the Nazi party never comes to power, as Hitler is killed in the streets of Austria in the 20s. Instead, a communist Germany arises, an ally of the USSR in spreading the ideals. China follows suit, and a red uprising in India, precipitated by the Red Axis, sparks off the second great war.

Red Axis

Pablo Picasso dies in a fire the summer of 1906, leading Matisse to remain the undisputed master of the avant-garde, at least until the rise of the futurists in Italy -- who, in turn, become much more influential. Butterflies also curb Marcel Duchamp's early career somewhat, leading him to abandon the New York art scene in the 1910's, thus preventing the emergence of New York's Dada Scene. Also, Umberto Boccioni and other Italian futurists fare better in WWI, only for many of them to go into exile when the fascists come to power. And then these changes in the painting start to bleed into the young art of cinema...

[Barbarossa Rotbart]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

Pablo Picasso dies in a fire the summer of 1906, leading Matisse to remain the undisputed master of the avant-garde, at least until the rise of the futurists in Italy -- who, in turn, become much more influential. Butterflies also curb Marcel Duchamp's early career somewhat, leading him to abandon the New York art scene in the 1910's, thus preventing the emergence of New York's Dada Scene. Also, Umberto Boccioni and other Italian futurists fare better in WWI, only for many of them to go into exile when the fascists come to power. And then these changes in the painting start to bleed into the young art of cinema...

The Rise of the Futurists

President George W. Bush died of a heart attack in 2002. Some believed that the shock learning that both his daughters are gay killed him. Dick Cheney became the next president of the United States and surprised everyone with his change of many policies. He did not only end the preparations for a war against Iraq. He also supported a petition of the democrats for making same-sex marriage legal (having a gay daughter himself helped). He lost in the 2004 primaries against John McCain, who then lost against Hilary Clinton in the presidental election.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Barbarossa Rotbart

President George W. Bush died of a heart attack in 2002. Some believed that the shock learning that both his daughters are gay killed him. Dick Cheney became the next president of the United States and surprised everyone with his change of many policies. He did not only end the preparations for a war against Iraq. He also supported a petition of the democrats for making same-sex marriage legal (having a gay daughter himself helped). He lost in the 2004 primaries against John McCain, who then lost against Hilary Clinton in the presidental election.

Not a Dick, after all

After the British colonize the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, they learn that ancient aliens once landed on North Sentinel Island. Invading the island, they discover advanced technology that allow them to conquer the world-but at the cost of destroying the entire world's tea supply.

[Barbarossa Rotbart]

I really doubt that an ASB TL is allowed here!

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

Not a Dick, after all

After the British colonize the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, they learn that ancient aliens once landed on North Sentinel Island. Invading the island, they discover advanced technology that allow them to conquer the world-but at the cost of destroying the entire world's tea supply.

What? No tea, old bean?

Meriwether Lewis doesn't kill himself. He goes on to be the presidential nomination for the Dem-Reps in 1824, prolonging the collapse to 1832. He chooses William Clark as his Vice President.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by Barbarossa Rotbart

I really doubt that an ASB TL is allowed here!

Fair enough. I was strapped for ideas.
Your move.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Barbarossa Rotbart

I really doubt that an ASB TL is allowed here!

Well, I don't have a problem if they pop up now and again...

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Meriwether Lewis doesn't kill himself. He goes on to be the presidential nomination for the Dem-Reps in 1824, prolonging the collapse to 1832. He chooses William Clark as his Vice President.

President Meriwether

Genghis Khan dies of his neck wounds after The Battle of the Thirteen Sides (1203). The Jurchen Jin Dynasty not only continues, but subdues both *Mongolia* and the Goreyo, while the Southern Song continue to prosper into the 14th Century. Muslim powers in Persia and Central Asia not only prosper, but continue to lay the foundations for an Islamic Scientific Revolution, and in centuries to come an earlier Industrial Revolution. Additionally, the absence of a Mongolian Superpower (in addition to a secondary PoD where cats don't get papal condemnation) leads to a later Black Death that's only half as destructive.

[metastasis_d]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

Genghis Khan dies of his neck wounds after The Battle of the Thirteen Sides (1203). The Jurchen Jin Dynasty not only continues, but subdues both *Mongolia* and the Goreyo, while the Southern Song continue to prosper into the 14th Century. Muslim powers in Persia and Central Asia not only prosper, but continue to lay the foundations for an Islamic Scientific Revolution, and in centuries to come an earlier Industrial Revolution. Additionally, the absence of a Mongolian Superpower (in addition to a secondary PoD where cats don't get papal condemnation) leads to a later Black Death that's only half as destructive.

Grey Death

An impassioned speech by Governor Sam Houston fails to persuade the legislature from seceding from the US, but succeeds in keeping Texas independent of the Confederacy. As a result, the Confederacy has an even shorter life, with Texas voting to rejoin the Union a few short years later. The destruction of the South is avoided, and the Union is stronger because of it.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by metastasis_d

Grey Death

An impassioned speech by Governor Sam Houston fails to persuade the legislature from seceding from the US, but succeeds in keeping Texas independent of the Confederacy. As a result, the Confederacy has an even shorter life, with Texas voting to rejoin the Union a few short years later. The destruction of the South is avoided, and the Union is stronger because of it.

An Independent Texas, a Stronger Union.

People in the late 1890s start to show magical talent. They are persecuted upon, by narrow-minded people. Thankfully Franklin D. Roosevelt is one, so Teddy can stop this prejudice in the United States upon McKinley's assassination. He is assassinated in 1905, and Charles W. Fairbanks resumes the persecution. FDR becomes an voice of civil rights in the 1930s and 1940s, eschewing the presidency. He dies in 1948 but President Harold Stassen passes an Act forbidding persecution of magical people later that year, but it proves ineffective. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is a magic user, so he campaigns for civil rights of blacks and magickers (term adopted in 1950s). This proves successful, and a stronger Civil Rights Act is passed by John F. Kennedy, president after Lyndon B. Johnson's death in 1963, and then president in his own right in 1964, in 1967. In 2000, Al Gore becomes the first magicker president, showing that persecution can be overcame.

[metastasis_d]

Uh... You skipped a few.

Edit: Looks like you saw that pretty quickly.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

People in the late 1890s start to show magical talent. They are persecuted upon, by narrow-minded people. Thankfully Franklin D. Roosevelt is one, so Teddy can stop this prejudice in the United States upon McKinley's assassination. He is assassinated in 1905, and Charles W. Fairbanks resumes the persecution. FDR becomes an voice of civil rights in the 1930s and 1940s, eschewing the presidency. He dies in 1948 but President Harold Stassen passes an Act forbidding persecution of magical people later that year, but it proves ineffective. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is a magic user, so he campaigns for civil rights of blacks and magickers (term adopted in 1950s). This proves successful, and a stronger Civil Rights Act is passed by John F. Kennedy, president after Lyndon B. Johnson's death in 1963, and then president in his own right in 1964, in 1967. In 2000, Al Gore becomes the first magicker president, showing that persecution can be overcame.

The Magic Rights Movement: A History

Alfred Russell Wallace falls ill and dies in 1858, before he can write Charles Darwin about his thoughts on Natural Selection; as a result they don't do a joint presentation, and Darwin doesn't publish Origin of the Species in his lifetime.

As a result, Mendel's work on heredity gets more scientific attention, and when Darwin's work is finally published following his death in the 1882, it tried to incorporate preliminary genetics. TTL also sees butterflies in social policy, as "social darwinism" is less popular.