TL Description and Title Game

[Tsao]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

Any TL Description to accompany this?

The Xi'an incident never occurs, and the Communists in Yenan are crushed with relative ease by the combined force of the Manchurian army and Chiang's own forces. As a result, this gives the Nationalists more time to consolidate before the Japanese invasion, and has some interesting diplomatic repercussions. By the outbreak of WWII, Germany is allied with China, and the Japanese have a much harder time attempting to break the NRA. Ironically, while China is stronger, the WAllies still win the war, and Japan sees a much better post-war period than OTL while the Nationalist government collapses in favor of a new, western-backed regime in Beijing and a Soviet puppet in Manchuria under Zhang Xueliang.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Tsao Tongyu

The Xi'an incident never occurs, and the Communists in Yenan are crushed with relative ease by the combined force of the Manchurian army and Chiang's own forces. As a result, this gives the Nationalists more time to consolidate before the Japanese invasion, and has some interesting diplomatic repercussions. By the outbreak of WWII, Germany is allied with China, and the Japanese have a much harder time attempting to break the NRA. Ironically, while China is stronger, the WAllies still win the war, and Japan sees a much better post-war period than OTL while the Nationalist government collapses in favor of a new, western-backed regime in Beijing and a Soviet puppet in Manchuria under Zhang Xueliang.

The Dragon and the Swastika

Scenario posted below.

[Turquoise Blue]

Britain keeps out of the First World War, but America gets involved in 1914, thanks to Wilson losing the 1912 election to the Progressives. Britain then after the war, adopts "splendid isolation", while America and France strengthens their alliance, so Fascist Germany (not Nazi) allies with Mexico and Britain (which suffered debts until Mosley took over).

America now, has to fight Britain, Germany, Canada and Mexico, an great challenge, but one that President Burton Kendall Wheeler can face, along with the rest of America.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Britain keeps out of the First World War, but America gets involved in 1914, thanks to Wilson losing the 1912 election to the Progressives. Britain then after the war, adopts "splendid isolation", while America and France strengthens their alliance, so Fascist Germany (not Nazi) allies with Mexico and Britain (which suffered debts until Mosley took over).

America now, has to fight Britain, Germany, Canada and Mexico, an great challenge, but one that President Burton Kendall Wheeler can face, along with the rest of America.

Progress and War

After defeating Ceasar at Pharsalus, and returning to Rome (whereupon he is given the title of "Pater Patriea" for his efforts), Pompey allies with moderates like Cicero to push through a number of much needed reforms to the Roman Republic. These include modest land reform and protections and benefits for war veterans; a renewed recruitment campaign for political elites; a stronger executive, primarily through the relaxing of term limits for consuls; and calender reform (essentially Ceasar's reforms of OTL, only the months end up being named after Cicero and Pompey).

With a degree of renewed vibrancy, the Republican Empire continues for about another century and a half, making other (mostly minor) reforms along the way (until what OTL calls the second century AD)...

[Codae]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

Progress and War

After defeating Ceasar at Pharsalus, and returning to Rome (whereupon he is given the title of "Pater Patriea" for his efforts), Pompey allies with moderates like Cicero to push through a number of much needed reforms to the Roman Republic. These include modest land reform and protections and benefits for war veterans; a renewed recruitment campaign for political elites; a stronger executive, primarily through the relaxing of term limits for consuls; and calender reform (essentially Ceasar's reforms of OTL, only the months end up being named after Cicero and Pompey).

With a degree of renewed vibrancy, the Republican Empire continues for about another century and a half, making other (mostly minor) reforms along the way (until what OTL calls the second century AD)...

Not With Thunderous Applause

A different English Civil War ends up with Parliamentary rule in the metropole and royal continuance in Virginia. The Stuarts eventually move to America and never return to Europe, even redrawing the borders of England, Scotland, and Ireland to cover territory they actually control. During the eighteenth century, the crowns are split among various princes, and for a time in the nineteenth Ireland rebels and reattains royal rule--from Baltimore. Meanwhile, France becomes a continental hegemon, uniting with Spain and dismantling the Austrian empire. However, this has the unfortunate effect of turning the Swedo-Ottoman axis (which has done much better against Russia, Denmark, and Persia ITTL) from an enemy of its enemy to simply an enemy. The War of the Bohemian Succession (commencing in 1809) sees France, Saxony, and Russia go up against practically every other power between the Denmark Strait and the Zagros Mountains, and finishes in 1818 with the world's dominant power being the impressive Indo-Afro-American empire of... Portugal.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Codae

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Stuarts of Baltimore

Gaius Ceasar, elder son of Agrippa and Julia the Elder (grandson of Augustus) is not (seriously) wounded in Armenia, leading him to survive and succeed his grandfather. His rule has countless butterflies, ranging from the major, such a Ceasarian Dynasty (of sorts) lasting about two centuries*, to the apparently small -- such as a different prefect appointed in Judea, who spares the life of one Jeshua of Nazareth.

As ages pass, Roman philosophy and religion emerges into a blend of ideas hinging on the "pillars" of Stoicism and Isis worship** -- though other ideas remain important. Centuries after the fall of the Ceasarian Dynasty, the western half of the Roman Empire falls to invasions and into chaos. Some of these invaders from the east bring a new philosophy which, as it borrows and blends with the more familiar ideas of Epicurus and Aristotle, becomes, in centuries to come, the third "pillar" of thought in Western Europe -- a philosophy called "Buddhism"...

*about twice as long as OTL's "version"
**which, among others, incorporates some ideas preached by above mentioned Jeshua

[Barbarossa Rotbart]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

Gaius Ceasar, elder son of Agrippa and Julia the Elder (grandson of Augustus) is not (seriously) wounded in Armenia, leading him to survive and succeed his grandfather. His rule has countless butterflies, ranging from the major, such a Ceasarian Dynasty (of sorts) lasting about two centuries*, to the apparently small -- such as a different prefect appointed in Judea, who spares the life of one Jeshua of Nazareth.

As ages pass, Roman philosophy and religion emerges into a blend of ideas hinging on the "pillars" of Stoicism and Isis worship** -- though other ideas remain important. Centuries after the fall of the Ceasarian Dynasty, the western half of the Roman Empire falls to invasions and into chaos. Some of these invaders from the east bring a new philosophy which, as it borrows and blends with the more familiar ideas of Epicurus and Aristotle, becomes, in centuries to come, the third "pillar" of thought in Western Europe -- a philosophy called "Buddhism"...

*about twice as long as OTL's "version"
**which, among others, incorporates some ideas preached by above mentioned Jeshua

Ceasar and the three pillars of Europe

A timeline in which gender equality is common since the early medieval but originally only in the nobility where female knights, female clerics and even female sovereigns and popes were not uncommon. But among the commoners a female smith may exist because many women cling to the traditional gender role as wife and mother. The conflict between Christianity and Islam is much more violent, because the Islam is much more patriarchalic than in OTL and there a woman has even less rights than a male slave.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Barbarossa Rotbart

A timeline in which gender equality is common since the early medieval but originally only in the nobility where female knights, female clerics and even female sovereigns and popes were not uncommon. But among the commoners a female smith may exist because many women cling to the traditional gender role as wife and mother. The conflict between Christianity and Islam is much more violent, because the Islam is much more patriarchalic than in OTL and there a woman has even less rights than a male slave.

Feminist Crusades: Yeah, this could get offensive

The Peace of Nicias lasts its 50 years (no Sicilian Expedition), continuing the Greek balance of power between Athens and Sparta into the (4th Century BC); democracy, meanwhile, continues in Syracuse, which eventually becomes a more powerful, preferring Athens. Macedonian interventions of upcoming years is held at bay, and democracy in the mediterranean continue to flourish.

[President Lenin]

Democracy in the Orange Orchard

Chan Santa Cruz survives with British backing into the 20th century, forming a Mayan nation-state in Latin America.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by President Lenin

Chan Santa Cruz survives with British backing into the 20th century, forming a Mayan nation-state in Latin America.

Caste War Brings Independence

Socrates is acquitted of all charges, and dies within years of his trial. Plato, with the rest of the gadfly's pupils, remains in Athens, and has a slightly more successful political career; this, combined w/ the lack of his teacher's execution, curbs a great deal of the anti-democratic slant in many of his writings.

But Plato is now oy one source of Socrates wisdom -- along w Xenophon, a number of proto-cynics claim him as a teacher as well (and some of their pupils, in turn, would go on to found TTL's version of the *Stoic school). It is this context of intellectual flourishing in Athens that the court of Phillip II -- even as their kingdom subdues the Greek powers -- seeks a teacher for his son, Alexander...

[Alternatehistorybuff5341]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

Caste War Brings Independence

Socrates is acquitted of all charges, and dies within years of his trial. Plato, with the rest of the gadfly's pupils, remains in Athens, and has a slightly more successful political career; this, combined w/ the lack of his teacher's execution, curbs a great deal of the anti-democratic slant in many of his writings.

But Plato is now oy one source of Socrates wisdom -- along w Xenophon, a number of proto-cynics claim him as a teacher as well (and some of their pupils, in turn, would go on to found TTL's version of the *Stoic school). It is this context of intellectual flourishing in Athens that the court of Phillip II -- even as their kingdom subdues the Greek powers -- seeks a teacher for his son, Alexander...

Alexander the Wise.


A TL with an apparently uninmportant / uneventful POD. Eventually this small POD leads to a Walt Disney who is even more Anti-Semetic, and more involved in Politics. Also, the Great Depression is much worse, with inflation rates as high as OTL Weimar Republic. Disney, leader of the United Nationalist Party of America (Or the Unpas), was eventually elected to the office of President in the mid 1930s. Within a few years (with the help of a Unpa majority congress, a Unpa court packed SCOTUS, and a loyal following), the United States became a Fascist government. Disney was executed in the late 1950s after the Second American Revolution. Below is the symbol of the Unpa Party.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Alternatehistorybuff5341

A TL with an apparently uninmportant / uneventful POD. Eventually this small POD leads to a Walt Disney who is even more Anti-Semetic, and more involved in Politics. Also, the Great Depression is much worse, with inflation rates as high as OTL Weimar Republic. Disney, leader of the United Nationalist Party of America (Or the Unpas), was eventually elected to the office of President in the mid 1930s. Within a few years (with the help of a Unpa majority congress, a Unpa court packed SCOTUS, and a loyal following), the United States became a Fascist government. Disney was executed in the late 1950s after the Second American Revolution. Below is the symbol of the Unpa Party.

M-I-C...K-E-Y...

or And you though AWOLAWOT was bad...

Christopher Columbus doesn't get the backing of Spain for his voyage, and returns in failure to Venice. A few years later, John Cabot gets backing for his voyage, and claims the isle of Nova Scotia for England in 1499. From there, it is several decades before English expeditions make their way south (in part financed by Henry VIII's reformation) to Florida, and then sail westward -- only to run into the Maya and Aztec empires. Things only get more chaotic from there as Portugal and France seeks to lay claim to its share of the Americas. Meanwhile, Spain finds itself in dire economic difficulty following F&I's conquest, made only worse by the loss of the lowlands to Austria and the HRE. Columbus has a second career in his home city, after he is chosen in 1501 as the next Doge...

[Barbarossa Rotbart]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

Christopher Columbus doesn't get the backing of Spain for his voyage, and returns in failure to Venice. A few years later, John Cabot gets backing for his voyage, and claims the isle of Nova Scotia for England in 1499. From there, it is several decades before English expeditions make their way south (in part financed by Henry VIII's reformation) to Florida, and then sail westward -- only to run into the Maya and Aztec empires. Things only get more chaotic from there as Portugal and France seeks to lay claim to its share of the Americas. Meanwhile, Spain finds itself in dire economic difficulty following F&I's conquest, made only worse by the loss of the lowlands to Austria and the HRE. Columbus has a second career in his home city, after he is chosen in 1501 as the next Doge...

The Rise of the English Empire and the Fall of Spain

The cruise missiles sent into Sudan and Afghanistan after the suicide Bombings in front of the US embassies in Nairobi and Daressalam managed to destroy the al-Quaeda camps completely and to kill the whole al-Quaeda leadership. Without the succeeding acts of terrorism US President Bush never gained enough support for his war against Iraq and looses the election in 2004 against Hillary Clinton.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Barbarossa Rotbart

The cruise missiles sent into Sudan and Afghanistan after the suicide Bombings in front of the US embassies in Nairobi and Daressalam managed to destroy the al-Quaeda camps completely and to kill the whole al-Quaeda leadership. Without the succeeding acts of terrorism US President Bush never gained enough support for his war against Iraq and looses the election in 2004 against Hillary Clinton.

History Stays Ended: A World without Al-Qaeda

The wind doesn't change at the Battle of Red Cliffs, leading Cao Cao's forces to emerge victorious; China is reunified under the puppet Han emperor (whom Cao doesn't kill), and the Han dynasty ends up lasting several more centuries. One butterfly being that Buddhism does less well in China...

[Michael Wittmann]

Originally Posted by John Fredrick Parker

History Stays Ended: A World without Al-Qaeda

The wind doesn't change at the Battle of Red Cliffs, leading Cao Cao's forces to emerge victorious; China is reunified under the puppet Han emperor (whom Cao doesn't kill), and the Han dynasty ends up lasting several more centuries. One butterfly being that Buddhism does less well in China...

a world of anihC

For several reasons the Soviet Union became a Christian Communist state under Stalin, spreading both Orthodox and Communist principles together. His ideology, Stalinism (AKA mixing Orthodox Christianity with the Proletariats) became popular in Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece and other Orthodox countries.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Michael Wittmann

a world of anihC

A world of "China" spelled backwards?

[Codae]

Originally Posted by Michael Wittmann

a world of anihC

For several reasons the Soviet Union became a Christian Communist state under Stalin, spreading both Orthodox and Communist principles together. His ideology, Stalinism (AKA mixing Orthodox Christianity with the Proletariats) became popular in Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece and other Orthodox countries.

Union of the Godly

Edward, the Black Prince, survives to succeed his father. He initially devotes increased resources to the French war, but the gains are limited and Wat Tyler's rebellion flares up worse than IOTL (due to heavier taxes and less attention). Edward IV is incapacitated by an ultimately fatal illness at an inopportune time, and Richard II provides unimpressive leadership. Thus England is forced to abandon France to focus on suppressing Lollardy, a task that is, in the long run, unsuccessful, as the Protestantism that eventually develops has a much greater strain of levellerism than OTL's.

[Chris Oakley]

Dead Eddie

The 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in California turns out to be worse than in OTL-- a lot worse.

[Barbarossa Rotbart]

Originally Posted by Chris Oakley

Dead Eddie

Sorry, but IMHO this title does not fit the description.

Originally Posted by Chris Oakley

The 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in California turns out to be worse than in OTL-- a lot worse.

Loma Prieta - The Apocalypse of California

A Timeline in which the low-budget movie "Deep Throat" was not produced by a member of the Colombo crime family and thus the connection between the porn industry and the organized crime was never established. Porn movies became mainstream instead. And "Basic Instinct" was the first mainstream porn movie to win the Academy Award for best movie in 1993.

[John Fredrick Parker]

Originally Posted by Barbarossa Rotbart

Sorry, but IMHO this title does not fit the description.

How about...?

Lancaster Lives On

Deep Throat TL above is still next.