Flag Thread III

[wolf_brother]

Originally Posted by Elessar267

A quick, unpolished effort I developed after reading your description. It's nothing to write home about, but I kind of thought of it as a base. After your demand for no representation of Wales, I seized upon the idea of an English dominated nationalist movement. Even if Scots are tolerated, I felt that any ultra-nationalist British movement would probably still emphasize England.

I used the Tudor Rose as a uniquely English symbol, and used St. George's Cross as the background to further emphasize England; I kept it as simple as possible both for "base" purposes as well as the type of symbols that fascist movements seem to use. I'm thinking a simplified rose in an evolved version of this.

The other general idea I'm putting together is calling back to the Commonwealth. I'll upload it in a little while for contrast.

Ah! I see where I went wrong now in my request. I'm actually looking for a flag, or ideas for a flag, of the post-fascist period Republican Britain; sort of like how the Italian flag was the same under the fascist regime of Mussolini as it had been under the previous, Savoyard, dominated era, but then changed after the fall of fascism at the end of the war and the beginning of the republican period.

However your flag is quite nice I do like what you did with the Tudor Rose defacing St. George's Cross, it simply screams Englishness.

[Elessar267]

Here's my other presentation, also with a dominant England, but the Scottish and Irish elements inspired somewhat from the Commonwealth. Oliver Cromwell's arms are in the canton, while St. Andrew's and St. Patrick's Crosses are preserved in the center of St. George's Cross. This is an England explicitly emphasizing its Cromwellian history and rejecting Royalist symbols altogether.

Still a very basic design, essentially just concept art, like the other one.

EDIT: Damn. Didn't see your post until I was already posting this. Not to worry, you have inspired me in another direction, so... I'll post that either later on, or in the morning (I'm following U.S. ET).

[Future8]

Originally Posted by LSCatilina

I appreciate the work but

- The coat of arms seems somewhat strange

Those are the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Two Sicilies.

- The zulfikar could be a good idea, but as they're two and the much bigger elements, it's look like more as the Kingdom of Three Tunisias than the Kingdom of Three Sicily

Yeah, I guess. Perhaps just one would be better?

- The choice of colors make this flag more tied with Barbay Coast than Christian italy, it's a choice? After all, such elements can exist in a multicultural state.

Well, the flag of the Two Sicilies was just plain white with the coat of arms on it. I suppose the Tunisians wouldn't want such a plain flag for their Kingdom, considering how fancy the flag of the Beylik of Tunis was.
Also, I removed the Orders from the Coat of Arms of the Kingdom of Two Sicilies, one thing that tied the flag to Christian Italy, because they would offend the Muslim Tunisians.

Answers in bold.

[The Professor]

Originally Posted by wolf_brother

I'm sure this has been done before, but if someone would be interested I'm looking for ideas for the flag of a British republic for my timeline, circa 1950s after Britain turns rather *fascist and the kingdom is conquered/overthrown - think Italy.

The British Republic ITTL territorially controls only the island of Great Britain and some minor colonies, and her flag may not make any reference to Wales. Otherwise I'm open to all suggestions, and would love any flags any would be willing to make

Well, in such a hypothetical scenario why would the Republic abandon the Union Flag?
Italy didn't. It merely scrapped the arms on its flag.
Plus maintaining the flag promotes it as the successor to the UK.

[Kuld von Reyn]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Indeed.

If I had the time I'd use something based on this (but with the arms of Sicily in the 1st and 4th):

I don't know the background of the scenario Catilina had in mind, but the arms in the second and third are the arms of Joan II of Naples, titular queen of Hungary and Jerusalem, queen of Naples. Not sure how appropriate that particular Angevin would be for something like this.

Originally Posted by Future8

Those are the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Two Sicilies.

Again, not sure what scenario Catilina had in mind, but those are the arms of the 19th century Kingdom of Two Sicilies, which only includes the Neapolitan and Sicilian symbols for the same reason all the others are included; to cram as many dynastic arms as possible into the flag to show them who's boss. I'd recommend using the historical flags/arms of Sicily and Naples together, combined with some symbol/colours from the Hafsid Kingdom of Tunisia. (That horse is pretty religion neutral) (Or if you put the PoD even earlier; some sort of symbol used for a Crusader state centred in Tunisia.)

[Cèsar de Quart]

Originally Posted by Kuld von Reyn

I don't know the background of the scenario Catilina had in mind, but the arms in the second and third are the arms of Joan II of Naples, titular queen of Hungary and Jerusalem, queen of Naples. Not sure how appropriate that particular Angevin would be for something like this.


Again, not sure what scenario Catilina had in mind, but those are the arms of the 19th century Kingdom of Two Sicilies, which only includes the Neapolitan and Sicilian symbols for the same reason all the others are included; to cram as many dynastic arms as possible into the flag to show them who's boss. I'd recommend using the historical flags/arms of Sicily and Naples together, combined with some symbol/colours from the Hafsid Kingdom of Tunisia. (That horse is pretty religion neutral) (Or if you put the PoD even earlier; some sort of symbol used for a Crusader state centred in Tunisia.)

I would not add any coat of arms at all. The Union Jack has none, for example, and even if the Two Sicilies usually had its monarch's arms on white as a flag, if the Kingdom of Tunisia becomes equal to the (I guess) constituent kingdoms of Naples and Sicily, then I bet they would drop the coat of arms and focus on:

- A tricolour / bicolour. I would go on white, red and black, like the Bonapartist colours, although white, red and gold would be good as well.
- A common symbol set on military flags, like the white cross for Sardinia-Piedmont, the cross of Burgundy for Spain and Burgundy, the white cross on blue for France, etc. Naples being Naples, I guess we should make it up from scratch. A golden cross on red, for example; a Triskelion for Sicily and swords, or a horse, for Tunis.

Also, how did this Three Sicilies become a federative monarchy?

[wolf_brother]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Well, in such a hypothetical scenario why would the Republic abandon the Union Flag?
Italy didn't. It merely scrapped the arms on its flag.
Plus maintaining the flag promotes it as the successor to the UK.

I've thought of that myself, but I couldn't think of a way to maintain the Union flag while removing its royalist elements.

[Future8]

Originally Posted by Kuld von Reyn

Again, not sure what scenario Catilina had in mind, but those are the arms of the 19th century Kingdom of Two Sicilies, which only includes the Neapolitan and Sicilian symbols for the same reason all the others are included; to cram as many dynastic arms as possible into the flag to show them who's boss. I'd recommend using the historical flags/arms of Sicily and Naples together, combined with some symbol/colours from the Hafsid Kingdom of Tunisia. (That horse is pretty religion neutral) (Or if you put the PoD even earlier; some sort of symbol used for a Crusader state centred in Tunisia.)

Well, Catilina did wanted a 1830s time period, so I used this.

The Hafsid time period is too early, I think.

[Marc Pasquin]

Originally Posted by wolf_brother

I've thought of that myself, but I couldn't think of a way to maintain the Union flag while removing its royalist elements.

Well, if the fascist regime did change the flag (defacing it in some ways), they might simply switch back to the undefaced version afterward.



If on the other hand you want something that reminds you of the Union Flag but more republican, I did these ones a few months ago:

[wolf_brother]

Originally Posted by Marc Pasquin

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Do you have the last without the Phrygian cap? If not I'm sure I can remove it myself.

[Future8]

Originally Posted by wolf_brother

Do you have the last without the Phrygian cap? If not I'm sure I can remove it myself.

Here you go:

[Future8]

Also, I've been working on a flag for a Welsh-Irish Union sometime in the late 17th century.

I made a flag, attached below, but I was wondering if someone has a better idea?

[LSCatilina]

I'm bored.

Could someone make me a challenge?

Nation/State :
Government :
Era :

[deathgod]

Originally Posted by LSCatilina

I'm bored.

Could someone make me a challenge?

Nation/State : Senatus Populusque Romanus (Roman Empire, mediterranean, capital: Rome)
Government : de jure senatorial republic, de facto military regime
Era : second half of the 20th century

[Iserlohn]

Sure!

Nation/State : Federal Republic of Spain and Mexico
Government : Federal Parliamentary Republic
Era : 1920s

EDIT: Ninja'd.

[Krkrbs420]

I have a flag request!

A Iceland/Greenland/Helluland/Markland/Vinland/Eriksonland/Skrælingland Colonial Union Flag.

-Eriksonland is South of OTL Potomac River and south of Vinland.
-Skrælingland Is the the Great Lakes area and OTL Western Ontario.

[Juan Valdez]

Can someone give this flag a monarchist make over?

[Poor Little Rhode Island]

Originally Posted by Lord Grattan

Two similar designs for an alternate Florida flag.

Your impressions, thoughts, opinions?

How about the red Burgundian cross on white with the sunburst centered instead?

[Rubberduck3y6]

Originally Posted by Krkrbs420

I have a flag request!

A Iceland/Greenland/Helluland/Markland/Vinland/Eriksonland/Skrælingland Colonial Union Flag.

-Eriksonland is South of OTL Potomac River and south of Vinland.
-Skrælingland Is the the Great Lakes area and OTL Western Ontario.

Do you mean the whole union is a colony of a European country (like the Union of South Africa, Canada or Australia) or it's independent (like the US)?

[LSCatilina]

Originally Posted by deathgod

Nation/State : Senatus Populusque Romanus (Roman Empire, mediterranean, capital: Rome)
Government : de jure senatorial republic, de facto military regime
Era : second half of the 20th century

I tried to make something without crown or too-much roman symbol.

Here's the unofficial flag of the Roman Republic

Dragon is the symbol of Roman Legions since the III Century of our era.

Hope you enjoy.