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How is the Federalist party dead? Their last President before Gladstone was only 8 years ago? So two terms and the Federalist Party is gone? Seems weird. Mind if I change it?
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How is the Federalist party dead? Their last President before Gladstone was only 8 years ago? So two terms and the Federalist Party is gone? Seems weird. Mind if I change it?
Parties can fall easily. Look at the Republicans OTL. Just a few years ago, they had a President in the White House. Now they are quasi-split between the Tea Partiers and the more moderate ones.
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Old September 6th, 2011, 07:20 PM
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1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797 [1]
2. Samuel Adams (Democrat-Republican- Massachussets) 1797-1801 [2]
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democrat-Republican - Virginia) 1801-1805 [3]
4. Benedict Arnold (Federalist - Connecticut) 1805-1811 [4]
5. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - Leeward Islands) 1811-1815 [5]
6. James Madison (Federalist - Virginia) 1815-1823
7. Albert Gallatin (Liberal - Pennsylvania) 1823-1837 [6]
8. Richard Rush (Federalist - Pennsylvania) 1837-1845
9. Samuel Houston (Liberal - Texas) 1845-1853 [7]
10. Geoffrey Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1853-1857 [8]
11. Henry Jenkins (Liberal - Rio) 1857-1859 [9]
12. William Gladstone (Liberal - Nova Scotia) 1859-1861 [10]
13. Benjamin Disraeli (Neo Federalist - Kentucky) 1861-1865[11]
14. Stephen F. Davis* (Conservative Federalist - Tennessee) 1865-1869[12]

[1] First Vice President was John Adams, second was Benedict Arnold after John Adams had a falling out with him and the President.
[2] With both Arnold and John Adams having fallen from grace, the Federalist Party nominated a weak ticket with James McHenry for President. The Democratic-Republican ticket nominated the popular Samuel Adams for President and Thomas Jefferson for Vice-President, swiftly and comfortably winning the elections of 1796 and 1800.
[3] Adams refused to run again.
[4] Died in March of 1811 while in office. Alexander Hamilton is his Vice-President.
[5] As the (ATL) Consitution says, an new election must be held after a President's death. Hamilton won this. Charles Cotesworth "C.C." Pinckney was his VP.
[6] Albert Gallatin formed the Liberal Party from the remnants of the old Democratic-Republican Party, that had basically fallen apart since the death of Thomas Jefferson. Albert Gallatin would go on to win the 1824, 1828 and 1832 elections. He declined to run again in 1836
[7] Popular war hero from the British-Texan war, who led the movement for annexation of Texas by the United States. Ran on the Liberal platform with Robert Patton Crockett as his VP pick.
[8] Born Geoffrey Johnson, illegitimate son of John Adams, former governor of Massachusetts. Adams took his father's name upon reaching adulthood, his illegitimacy being an open secret among his family. He campaigned on his father's good name and connection to the core federalist cause, but won partly due to weariness of Houston, as people were concerned about having one man as president for too long. As a result, he presided over a hostile congress: the senate was initially Federalist, but throughout his term the Liberals were the largest faction in the House, albeit not a majority, as the fledgling Emancipation Party had taken a non-negligible number of seats in the northern states. Although he tried to avoid publicising it, his illegitimate nature lead to lingering doubts about his character throughout his presidency, and he declined to run for a second term.
[9] The most misunderstood President ever in the history of the United States. Born in an Mexican province by American patriots. The Republic of Rio (Not Bravo del Norte or Grande.) had him as their leader. He was Governor of the State of Rio, and was elected President. He killed himself in 1859, barely two years in his Presidency. It is accepted as fact that he was an closet homosexual.
[10] Though technically the third immigrant to rise to the presidency, Gladstone's ascent to the executive office would have been hindered had not President Geoffrey Adams introduced the Thirteenth amendment, repealing the natural-born citizen clause. Vice-President to and close friend of Henry Jenkins. Resigned in grief merely two months after being inaugurated for the second time in 1861 when his seven year old son Herbert drowned in an accident.
[11] Benjamin Disraeli was the fourth immigrant President and the first Jewish-born one. He was on relatively good terms with Gladstone, despite their conflicting political ideologies. He became part of the Pro-Emancipation faction of the broken Federalist Party, Neo Federalist.
[12] Riding on large "Nativist Hysteria," President Davis repealed the 13th Amendment making it impossible for someone not born in this country to become President. He also promoted Industrialization of the South through a gradual process as a means of stopping mounting tensions, however he remained a Pro-Slavery, Pro-American person. During his Presidency "Nativist" thought or the thought that only American's should be President etc, etc grew, and the Neo-Federalist Party of which prior President Disraeli pertained, died out without many supporters left. The Neo-Federalist did not agree with the Repealing of the 13th Amendment.
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Old September 6th, 2011, 07:21 PM
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Parties can fall easily. Look at the Republicans OTL. Just a few years ago, they had a President in the White House. Now they are quasi-split between the Tea Partiers and the more moderate ones.
How's what I just posted. I just don't think the populace would be fine with so many Immigrant President's, and much less a Jewish one in those days.

Also Stephen F. Davis is TTL's Jefferson Davis analogue, or from the same family to say.
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1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797 [1]
2. Samuel Adams (Democrat-Republican- Massachussets) 1797-1801 [2]
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democrat-Republican - Virginia) 1801-1805 [3]
4. Benedict Arnold (Federalist - Connecticut) 1805-1811 [4]
5. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - Leeward Islands) 1811-1815 [5]
6. James Madison (Federalist - Virginia) 1815-1823
7. Albert Gallatin (Liberal - Pennsylvania) 1823-1837 [6]
8. Richard Rush (Federalist - Pennsylvania) 1837-1845
9. Samuel Houston (Liberal - Texas) 1845-1853 [7]
10. Geoffrey Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1853-1857 [8]
11. Henry Jenkins (Liberal - Rio) 1857-1859 [9]
12. William Gladstone (Liberal - Nova Scotia) 1859-1861 [10]
13. Benjamin Disraeli (Neo Federalist - Kentucky) 1861-1865[11]
14. Stephen F. Davis* (Conservative Federalist - Tennessee) 1865-1869 [12]
15. James Goodalming (Conservative Federalist - Orleans) 1869-1877 [13]

[1] First Vice President was John Adams, second was Benedict Arnold after John Adams had a falling out with him and the President.
[2] With both Arnold and John Adams having fallen from grace, the Federalist Party nominated a weak ticket with James McHenry for President. The Democratic-Republican ticket nominated the popular Samuel Adams for President and Thomas Jefferson for Vice-President, swiftly and comfortably winning the elections of 1796 and 1800.
[3] Adams refused to run again.
[4] Died in March of 1811 while in office. Alexander Hamilton is his Vice-President.
[5] As the (ATL) Consitution says, an new election must be held after a President's death. Hamilton won this. Charles Cotesworth "C.C." Pinckney was his VP.
[6] Albert Gallatin formed the Liberal Party from the remnants of the old Democratic-Republican Party, that had basically fallen apart since the death of Thomas Jefferson. Albert Gallatin would go on to win the 1824, 1828 and 1832 elections. He declined to run again in 1836
[7] Popular war hero from the British-Texan war, who led the movement for annexation of Texas by the United States. Ran on the Liberal platform with Robert Patton Crockett as his VP pick.
[8] Born Geoffrey Johnson, illegitimate son of John Adams, former governor of Massachusetts. Adams took his father's name upon reaching adulthood, his illegitimacy being an open secret among his family. He campaigned on his father's good name and connection to the core federalist cause, but won partly due to weariness of Houston, as people were concerned about having one man as president for too long. As a result, he presided over a hostile congress: the senate was initially Federalist, but throughout his term the Liberals were the largest faction in the House, albeit not a majority, as the fledgling Emancipation Party had taken a non-negligible number of seats in the northern states. Although he tried to avoid publicising it, his illegitimate nature lead to lingering doubts about his character throughout his presidency, and he declined to run for a second term.
[9] The most misunderstood President ever in the history of the United States. Born in an Mexican province by American patriots. The Republic of Rio (Not Bravo del Norte or Grande.) had him as their leader. He was Governor of the State of Rio, and was elected President. He killed himself in 1859, barely two years in his Presidency. It is accepted as fact that he was an closet homosexual.
[10] Though technically the third immigrant to rise to the presidency, Gladstone's ascent to the executive office would have been hindered had not President Geoffrey Adams introduced the Thirteenth amendment, repealing the natural-born citizen clause. Vice-President to and close friend of Henry Jenkins. Resigned in grief merely two months after being inaugurated for the second time in 1861 when his seven year old son Herbert drowned in an accident.
[11] Benjamin Disraeli was the fourth immigrant President and the first Jewish-born one. He was on relatively good terms with Gladstone, despite their conflicting political ideologies. He became part of the Pro-Emancipation faction of the broken Federalist Party, Neo Federalist.
[12] Riding on large "Nativist Hysteria," President Davis repealed the 13th Amendment making it impossible for someone not born in this country to become President. He also promoted Industrialization of the South through a gradual process as a means of stopping mounting tensions, however he remained a Pro-Slavery, Pro-American person. During his Presidency "Nativist" thought or the thought that only American's should be President etc, etc grew, and the Neo-Federalist Party of which prior President Disraeli pertained, died out without many supporters left. The Neo-Federalist did not agree with the Repealing of the 13th Amendment.
[15] President Goodalming was President during the Civil War, in which the Federal States of America, containing the states of Maine, Nova Scotia, Massachussetts, Vermonte, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey seceded. A long and bloody Civil War followed, in which the North, with British and French support, sucessfully seceded from the Union.
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Old September 6th, 2011, 07:27 PM
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It wasn't until the second time I read you entry that I realised that the president was William Gladstone! Got to say, he is one of favourite Prime Ministers, and I wonder how Britain gets on without him. Also, that is the kind of thing that really makes me wonder what the backstory is... Do you have any idea, or was it a spur of the moment cool thought?
Along with Roy Jenkins, William Gladstone is my big hero as far as British politics are concerned.

That being said, I'm already making this discussion political, which I know should be avoided in this part of the forum. In any case, my idea was that sir John Gladstone emigrates to Nova Scotia after a much different War of 1812 in which the Americans win a triumphant victory, taking New Brünswick and Nova Scotia.

With the risk of becoming political again, I say that I personally believe that Britain will fare a worse fate without the man who by reducing tariffs made food more affordable for working class folks, championed extended suffrage and showed a, for the time, surprisingly enlightened and pragmatic attitude when he was willing to grant Ireland Home Rule. The Liberal Party has lost its greatest leader, and Great Britain has lost one of its finest Prime Ministers...

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So the north secedes! Nice.
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So the north secedes! Nice.
The South is pretty much the USA.
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1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797 [1]
2. Samuel Adams (Democrat-Republican- Massachussets) 1797-1801 [2]
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democrat-Republican - Virginia) 1801-1805 [3]
4. Benedict Arnold (Federalist - Connecticut) 1805-1811 [4]
5. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - Leeward Islands) 1811-1815 [5]
6. James Madison (Federalist - Virginia) 1815-1823
7. Albert Gallatin (Liberal - Pennsylvania) 1823-1837 [6]
8. Richard Rush (Federalist - Pennsylvania) 1837-1845
9. Samuel Houston (Liberal - Texas) 1845-1853 [7]
10. Geoffrey Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1853-1857 [8]
11. Henry Jenkins (Liberal - Rio) 1857-1859 [9]
12. William Gladstone (Liberal - Nova Scotia) 1859-1861 [10]
13. Benjamin Disraeli (Neo Federalist - Kentucky) 1861-1865 [11]
14. Stephen F. Davis* (Conservative Federalist - Tennessee) 1865-1869 [12]
15. James Goodalming (Conservative Federalist - Orleans) 1869-1877 [13]
16. Samuel J. Tilden (Liberal - New York) 1877-1884 [14]

[1] First Vice President was John Adams, second was Benedict Arnold after John Adams had a falling out with him and the President.
[2] With both Arnold and John Adams having fallen from grace, the Federalist Party nominated a weak ticket with James McHenry for President. The Democratic-Republican ticket nominated the popular Samuel Adams for President and Thomas Jefferson for Vice-President, swiftly and comfortably winning the elections of 1796 and 1800.
[3] Adams refused to run again.
[4] Died in March of 1811 while in office. Alexander Hamilton is his Vice-President.
[5] As the (ATL) Consitution says, an new election must be held after a President's death. Hamilton won this. Charles Cotesworth "C.C." Pinckney was his VP.
[6] Albert Gallatin formed the Liberal Party from the remnants of the old Democratic-Republican Party, that had basically fallen apart since the death of Thomas Jefferson. Albert Gallatin would go on to win the 1824, 1828 and 1832 elections. He declined to run again in 1836
[7] Popular war hero from the British-Texan war, who led the movement for annexation of Texas by the United States. Ran on the Liberal platform with Robert Patton Crockett as his VP pick.
[8] Born Geoffrey Johnson, illegitimate son of John Adams, former governor of Massachusetts. Adams took his father's name upon reaching adulthood, his illegitimacy being an open secret among his family. He campaigned on his father's good name and connection to the core federalist cause, but won partly due to weariness of Houston, as people were concerned about having one man as president for too long. As a result, he presided over a hostile congress: the senate was initially Federalist, but throughout his term the Liberals were the largest faction in the House, albeit not a majority, as the fledgling Emancipation Party had taken a non-negligible number of seats in the northern states. Although he tried to avoid publicising it, his illegitimate nature lead to lingering doubts about his character throughout his presidency, and he declined to run for a second term.
[9] The most misunderstood President ever in the history of the United States. Born in an Mexican province by American patriots. The Republic of Rio (Not Bravo del Norte or Grande.) had him as their leader. He was Governor of the State of Rio, and was elected President. He killed himself in 1859, barely two years in his Presidency. It is accepted as fact that he was an closet homosexual.
[10] Though technically the third immigrant to rise to the presidency, Gladstone's ascent to the executive office would have been hindered had not President Geoffrey Adams introduced the Thirteenth amendment, repealing the natural-born citizen clause. Vice-President to and close friend of Henry Jenkins. Resigned in grief merely two months after being inaugurated for the second time in 1861 when his seven year old son Herbert drowned in an accident.
[11] Benjamin Disraeli was the fourth immigrant President and the first Jewish-born one. He was on relatively good terms with Gladstone, despite their conflicting political ideologies. He became part of the Pro-Emancipation faction of the broken Federalist Party, Neo Federalist.
[12] Riding on large "Nativist Hysteria," President Davis repealed the 13th Amendment making it impossible for someone not born in this country to become President. He also promoted Industrialization of the South through a gradual process as a means of stopping mounting tensions, however he remained a Pro-Slavery, Pro-American person. During his Presidency "Nativist" thought or the thought that only Americans should be President etc, etc grew, and the Neo-Federalist Party of which prior President Disraeli pertained, died out without many supporters left. The Neo-Federalist did not agree with the Repealing of the 13th Amendment.
[13] President Goodalming was President during the Civil War, in which the Federal States of America, containing the states of Maine, Nova Scotia, Massachussetts, Vermonte, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and all states north of the Ohio River seceded. A long and bloody Civil War followed, in which the North, with British and French support, sucessfully seceded from the Union.
[14] Last President of the old Liberal Party. President Tilden inherited a broken Union that had lost much of its pride and identity with the secession of the Northern States. Upon recognizing the Federal States, the President adopted a foreign policy of normalization in relations with the FSA, dreaming that the two nations could one day be joined again. Unfortunately, the Union he presided over wasn't the only thing that was broken. His party, the once mighty Liberals were getting increasingly divided over the issue of slavery, with a Radical faction arguing for emancipation. When their old leader and former President William Gladstone finally declared his support for a program of abolition, the split was definite, and several respectable Liberal senators and congressmen walked out to form the abolitionist Radical Party, with the remainder of the Liberal Party eventually being absorbed by the Conservative Federalist Party.

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Why would Tilden, a Northerner, be President of a Southerner USA? Change it.
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He moves to the South during the Civil War preferring to remain loyal to the US? Or butterflies have him born in the South?
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He moves to the South during the Civil War preferring to remain loyal to the US? Or butterflies have him born in the South?
It said that he was New Yorker. He was a Liberal. The Party probably led the secession.
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It said that he was New Yorker. He was a Liberal. The Party probably led the secession.
Yea, I assumed the Liberals led the Secession. Hmm. Change him then? Make him part of a new political party in the US after the Conservative-Federalist break apart over the fact that they couldn't keep the Union alive?
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It said that he was New Yorker. He was a Liberal. The Party probably led the secession.
Quite right! Consider my last post invalidated (missed New York leaving the Union as well), and I'll append this one with a new!

1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797 [1]
2. Samuel Adams (Democrat-Republican- Massachussets) 1797-1801 [2]
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democrat-Republican - Virginia) 1801-1805 [3]
4. Benedict Arnold (Federalist - Connecticut) 1805-1811 [4]
5. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - Leeward Islands) 1811-1815 [5]
6. James Madison (Federalist - Virginia) 1815-1823
7. Albert Gallatin (Liberal - Pennsylvania) 1823-1837 [6]
8. Richard Rush (Federalist - Pennsylvania) 1837-1845
9. Samuel Houston (Liberal - Texas) 1845-1853 [7]
10. Geoffrey Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1853-1857 [8]
11. Henry Jenkins (Liberal - Rio) 1857-1859 [9]
12. William Gladstone (Liberal - Nova Scotia) 1859-1861 [10]
13. Benjamin Disraeli (Neo Federalist - Kentucky) 1861-1865 [11]
14. Stephen F. Davis* (Conservative Federalist - Tennessee) 1865-1869 [12]
15. James Goodalming (Conservative Federalist - Orleans) 1869-1877 [13]
16. John Tyler Morgan (Populist - Alabama) 1877-1883 [14]

[1] First Vice President was John Adams, second was Benedict Arnold after John Adams had a falling out with him and the President.
[2] With both Arnold and John Adams having fallen from grace, the Federalist Party nominated a weak ticket with James McHenry for President. The Democratic-Republican ticket nominated the popular Samuel Adams for President and Thomas Jefferson for Vice-President, swiftly and comfortably winning the elections of 1796 and 1800.
[3] Adams refused to run again.
[4] Died in March of 1811 while in office. Alexander Hamilton is his Vice-President.
[5] As the (ATL) Consitution says, an new election must be held after a President's death. Hamilton won this. Charles Cotesworth "C.C." Pinckney was his VP.
[6] Albert Gallatin formed the Liberal Party from the remnants of the old Democratic-Republican Party, that had basically fallen apart since the death of Thomas Jefferson. Albert Gallatin would go on to win the 1824, 1828 and 1832 elections. He declined to run again in 1836
[7] Popular war hero from the British-Texan war, who led the movement for annexation of Texas by the United States. Ran on the Liberal platform with Robert Patton Crockett as his VP pick.
[8] Born Geoffrey Johnson, illegitimate son of John Adams, former governor of Massachusetts. Adams took his father's name upon reaching adulthood, his illegitimacy being an open secret among his family. He campaigned on his father's good name and connection to the core federalist cause, but won partly due to weariness of Houston, as people were concerned about having one man as president for too long. As a result, he presided over a hostile congress: the senate was initially Federalist, but throughout his term the Liberals were the largest faction in the House, albeit not a majority, as the fledgling Emancipation Party had taken a non-negligible number of seats in the northern states. Although he tried to avoid publicising it, his illegitimate nature lead to lingering doubts about his character throughout his presidency, and he declined to run for a second term.
[9] The most misunderstood President ever in the history of the United States. Born in an Mexican province by American patriots. The Republic of Rio (Not Bravo del Norte or Grande.) had him as their leader. He was Governor of the State of Rio, and was elected President. He killed himself in 1859, barely two years in his Presidency. It is accepted as fact that he was an closet homosexual.
[10] Though technically the third immigrant to rise to the presidency, Gladstone's ascent to the executive office would have been hindered had not President Geoffrey Adams introduced the Thirteenth amendment, repealing the natural-born citizen clause. Vice-President to and close friend of Henry Jenkins. Resigned in grief merely two months after being inaugurated for the second time in 1861 when his seven year old son Herbert drowned in an accident.
[11] Benjamin Disraeli was the fourth immigrant President and the first Jewish-born one. He was on relatively good terms with Gladstone, despite their conflicting political ideologies. He became part of the Pro-Emancipation faction of the broken Federalist Party, Neo Federalist.
[12] Riding on large "Nativist Hysteria," President Davis repealed the 13th Amendment making it impossible for someone not born in this country to become President. He also promoted Industrialization of the South through a gradual process as a means of stopping mounting tensions, however he remained a Pro-Slavery, Pro-American person. During his Presidency "Nativist" thought or the thought that only Americans should be President etc, etc grew, and the Neo-Federalist Party of which prior President Disraeli pertained, died out without many supporters left. The Neo-Federalist did not agree with the Repealing of the 13th Amendment.
[13] President Goodalming was President during the Civil War, in which the Federal States of America, containing the states of Maine, Nova Scotia, Massachussetts, Vermonte, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and all states north of the Ohio River seceded. A long and bloody Civil War followed, in which the North, with British and French support, sucessfully seceded from the Union.
[14] President Morgan had been one of the most vocal opponents of the secession and had criticized the Goodalming Administration for what he perceived as incompetence and lack of patriotism. He had once mused that every American suspected of having Federal sympathies should be arrested, tortured and put on trial for the charge of treason. President Morgan did not re-start the war with the Federal States, but he did commence great economic reforms, including a program of large-scale industrialization of the South, which relied greatly upon slave-power. Under his administration, the 18th Amendment was added to the Constitution, making it unconstitutional for the federal government to make slavery illegal for any state that would not consent to it. Assassinated by an escaped slave after leaving the theatre, having watched a production of Richard III, December 13 1883.

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1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797 [1]
2. Samuel Adams (Democrat-Republican- Massachussets) 1797-1801 [2]
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democrat-Republican - Virginia) 1801-1805 [3]
4. Benedict Arnold (Federalist - Connecticut) 1805-1811 [4]
5. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - Leeward Islands) 1811-1815 [5]
6. James Madison (Federalist - Virginia) 1815-1823
7. Albert Gallatin (Liberal - Pennsylvania) 1823-1837 [6]
8. Richard Rush (Federalist - Pennsylvania) 1837-1845
9. Samuel Houston (Liberal - Texas) 1845-1853 [7]
10. Geoffrey Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1853-1857 [8]
11. Henry Jenkins (Liberal - Rio) 1857-1859 [9]
12. William Gladstone (Liberal - Nova Scotia) 1859-1861 [10]
13. Benjamin Disraeli (Neo Federalist - Kentucky) 1861-1865 [11]
14. Stephen F. Davis* (Conservative Federalist - Tennessee) 1865-1869 [12]
15. James Goodalming (Conservative Federalist - Orleans) 1869-1877 [13]
16. John Tyler Morgan (Populist - Alabama) 1877-1883 [14]
17. James L. Alcorn (Populist - West Florida) 1883-1889[15]

[1] First Vice President was John Adams, second was Benedict Arnold after John Adams had a falling out with him and the President.
[2] With both Arnold and John Adams having fallen from grace, the Federalist Party nominated a weak ticket with James McHenry for President. The Democratic-Republican ticket nominated the popular Samuel Adams for President and Thomas Jefferson for Vice-President, swiftly and comfortably winning the elections of 1796 and 1800.
[3] Adams refused to run again.
[4] Died in March of 1811 while in office. Alexander Hamilton is his Vice-President.
[5] As the (ATL) Consitution says, an new election must be held after a President's death. Hamilton won this. Charles Cotesworth "C.C." Pinckney was his VP.
[6] Albert Gallatin formed the Liberal Party from the remnants of the old Democratic-Republican Party, that had basically fallen apart since the death of Thomas Jefferson. Albert Gallatin would go on to win the 1824, 1828 and 1832 elections. He declined to run again in 1836
[7] Popular war hero from the British-Texan war, who led the movement for annexation of Texas by the United States. Ran on the Liberal platform with Robert Patton Crockett as his VP pick.
[8] Born Geoffrey Johnson, illegitimate son of John Adams, former governor of Massachusetts. Adams took his father's name upon reaching adulthood, his illegitimacy being an open secret among his family. He campaigned on his father's good name and connection to the core federalist cause, but won partly due to weariness of Houston, as people were concerned about having one man as president for too long. As a result, he presided over a hostile congress: the senate was initially Federalist, but throughout his term the Liberals were the largest faction in the House, albeit not a majority, as the fledgling Emancipation Party had taken a non-negligible number of seats in the northern states. Although he tried to avoid publicising it, his illegitimate nature lead to lingering doubts about his character throughout his presidency, and he declined to run for a second term.
[9] The most misunderstood President ever in the history of the United States. Born in an Mexican province by American patriots. The Republic of Rio (Not Bravo del Norte or Grande.) had him as their leader. He was Governor of the State of Rio, and was elected President. He killed himself in 1859, barely two years in his Presidency. It is accepted as fact that he was an closet homosexual.
[10] Though technically the third immigrant to rise to the presidency, Gladstone's ascent to the executive office would have been hindered had not President Geoffrey Adams introduced the Thirteenth amendment, repealing the natural-born citizen clause. Vice-President to and close friend of Henry Jenkins. Resigned in grief merely two months after being inaugurated for the second time in 1861 when his seven year old son Herbert drowned in an accident.
[11] Benjamin Disraeli was the fourth immigrant President and the first Jewish-born one. He was on relatively good terms with Gladstone, despite their conflicting political ideologies. He became part of the Pro-Emancipation faction of the broken Federalist Party, Neo Federalist.
[12] Riding on large "Nativist Hysteria," President Davis repealed the 13th Amendment making it impossible for someone not born in this country to become President. He also promoted Industrialization of the South through a gradual process as a means of stopping mounting tensions, however he remained a Pro-Slavery, Pro-American person. During his Presidency "Nativist" thought or the thought that only Americans should be President etc, etc grew, and the Neo-Federalist Party of which prior President Disraeli pertained, died out without many supporters left. The Neo-Federalist did not agree with the Repealing of the 13th Amendment.
[13] President Goodalming was President during the Civil War, in which the Federal States of America, containing the states of Maine, Nova Scotia, Massachussetts, Vermonte, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and all states north of the Ohio River seceded. A long and bloody Civil War followed, in which the North, with British and French support, sucessfully seceded from the Union.
[14] President Morgan had been one of the most vocal opponents of the secession and had criticized the Goodalming Administration for what he perceived as incompetence and lack of patriotism. He had once mused that every American suspected of having Federal sympathies should be arrested, tortured and put on trial for the charge of treason. President Morgan did not re-start the war with the Federal States, but he did commence great economic reforms, including a program of large-scale industrialization of the South, which relied greatly upon slave-power. Under his administration, the 18th Amendment was added to the Constitution, making it unconstitutional for the federal government to make slavery illegal for any state that would not consent to it. Assassinated by an escaped slave after leaving the theatre, having watched a production of Richard III, December 13 1883.
[15] President Morgan's VP, he became President after Morgan's death. He would later be re-elected in 1885, and chose not to run in 1888. Worked to continue the Rapid Industrialization of the United States. Re-integrated with European's after having German help in the Industrialization, German-American relations skyrocket. Was an advocate of the North re-joining the Union, however was still attacked by the Union Party(also known as the Warhead Party) who wished to rejoin the north through all means necessary. His Presidency was seen as a large success, and saw the Industrialization of the United States rise incredibly.
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Take it back, won't be doing the map for now, haven't grasped the Mac's form of Paint yet. -.-

Anyways I think we should make a list of states however, for anyone making the map.

Known States of the United States of America:

Virginia
Kentucky
Maryland
Delaware
North Carolina
South Carolina
Texas
Rio (Texan Pan-Handle?)
Alabama (Northern Mississippi-Alabama OTL)
West Florida
East Florida
Georgia
Orleans (Louisiana)
Leeward (Leeward Islands and other British Caribbean Islands)*
Jamaica*
Bahamas*
Mississippi (OTL Arkansas)

*: I'm going by the assumption that the Caribbean was in exchange for Maine as was posted earlier.

Known States of the Federal Republic of America:

New York
Ohio
Connecticut
Pennsylvania
New Hampshire
Vermonte (Vermont)
Maine
Nova Scotia
New Brunswick
Massachusetts
Rhode Island
New Jersey
Washington (Illinois)**
Superior (Wisconsin plus the Michigan part)**
Huron (Michigan)**
Benedict (Indiana)**

**: The names of these areas have never been mentioned so I named them. Washington after President Washington, Benedict after President Benedict who was the first President to die in office, Superior after Lake Superior, and Huron after Lake Huron.
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Rio is the land south of the Rio Grande/Bravo del Norte. The short name was to make sure both Americans and Mexicans joined the filibuster republic.
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Rio is the land south of the Rio Grande/Bravo del Norte. The short name was to make sure both Americans and Mexicans joined the filibuster republic.
Wait so it's an Independent nation then, correct?
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