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Can we have Ronald Reagan be APP instead of New Republican? There's no real reason for a suddenly changed political dynamic.

Also, I think Gregory Peck is the first Roman Catholic President.
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Can we have Ronald Reagan be APP instead of New Republican? There's no real reason for a suddenly changed political dynamic.
Or the New Liberty party.
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Can we have Ronald Reagan be APP instead of New Republican? There's no real reason for a suddenly changed political dynamic.

Also, I think Gregory Peck is the first Roman Catholic President.
Speaking of which, we still haven't repealed the Williams restrictions on Catholic immigration.
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Should our President Gregory Peck have the mustache or not?

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Speaking of which, we still haven't repealed the Williams restrictions on Catholic immigration.
We could have President Thomas do that?
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Should our President Gregory Peck have the mustache or not?


We could have President Thomas do that?
Yes, and Yes.
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Should our President Gregory Peck have the mustache or not?


We could have President Thomas do that?
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Just adding a few tidbits and updating a few things. If there's anything objectionable, please do not hesitate to revert my changes.

1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797
2. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - New York) 1797-1805
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1805-1808[1]
4. John Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1808-1821 [2]
5. James Monroe (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1821-1825
6. William H Crawford (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1825-1829
7. James Madison (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1829-1837 [3]
8. Joseph Ritner (Anti-Masonic - Pennsylvania) 1837-1839 [4]
9. John Quincy Adams (Anti-Masonic/Whig - Massachusetts) 1839-1845
10. Horace Mann (Whig- Massachusetts) 1845-1849 [5]
11. Winfield Scott (Whig- New Jersey) 1849-1853
12. William King (Republican - Alabama) 1853 [6]
13. Lewis Cass (Republican - Michigan) 1853-1857 [7]
14. John Douglas (Republican/Liberty - Jefferson) 1857-1859 [8][9]
15. Edward Fremont (Liberty - California) 1859-1865 [10]
16. William Sherman (Liberty -Ohio) 1865-1881[11]
17. James G. Blaine (Liberty - Maine) 1881-1889 [12]
18. Henry G. Davis (Liberty - Allegheny) 1889-1897 [13]
19. Charles A. Blanchard (Anti-Masonic - Jefferson) 1897-1901 [14]
20. Joshua Williams (America First/ Anti-Masonic -Delaware) 1901-1905 [15]
21. Eugene V. Debs (Labor - Indiana) 1905-1913 [16]
22. James Clark (Liberty - New York) 1913-1917 [17]
23. Jurgis Sinclair (Labor - Ohio) 1917-1925 [18]
24. Marion La Follette (Labor - Washington) 1925 [19]
25. Jake Featherston (Labor - Sonora) 1925-1933 [20]
26. John J. Pershing (Liberty [later American Patriot] - US) 1933-1937 [21]
27. Norman Thomas (Labor - Ohio) 1937-1941
28. H. Styles Bridges (New Liberty - New Hampshire) 1941-1949 [22]
29. Walter Reuther (Labor - Michigan) 1949-1953
30. Douglas MacArthur (American Patriot - Arkansas) 1953-1961
31. Estes Kefauver (Labor - Tennessee) 1961-1965 [23]
32. Gregory Peck (Labor - California) 1965-1973 [24]
33. Ronald Reagan (American Patriot - California) 1973-1981 [25]


[1] First president to die in office prompting a minor constitutional crisis. He was found dead at his desk the morning after his 'Bastion of Liberty' address to Congress. Widely believed to have suffered a heart attack.
[2] Despite much opposition, John Adams became the first three term president. Following the backlash of his final term, Adams retired from politics and died six years later.
[3] Attempted to introduce an ammendment into the US Constitution which would prevent any President from serving more than two terms. The proposal barely failed. While he left office with a fairly high approval rating, his rule also solidified resentment toward Virginia for "creating a monopoly on the Presidency". Died almost immediately after his departure.
[4] First President to be impeached, in 1839, when Congress found his controversial attempts to outlaw Freemasonry unconstitutional.
[5] Known mainly for overhauling the US Educational system. Did not run for re-election due to health issues.
[6] Came into office through a surge in Republican (formerly Democratic-Republican) popularity after over a decade of Whig rule. King died after barely a month in office from tuberculosis.
[7] Responsible for the Cass Doctrine, in which voters in territories, rather than Congress, determined whether to ban or legalize slavery. While the doctrine ultimately passed, his popularity was significantly diminished in the effort.
[8] The Douglas Presidency is not so notable for what it accomplished, but the circumstances that immediately preceded it. Although a rift had been occuring between the northern bloc of the Republican Party and the southern bloc, it took the Cass Doctrine for that division to become apparent. Consequently, over the course of the Cass administration an increasing number of northern Republicans chose to remove themselves from the organization and join the newly founded Liberty Party along with several of the more moderate Whigs. The Republican Party's problems were further confounded by the rise of the America First Party, a nativist, anti-immigration, "anti-Papist" group, which threatened to split their vote. When election day did arrive, no one group found themselves with the necessary number of electoral votes resulting in the election being thrown to the Congress. After several weeks of debates, backroom negotiations and Parliamentary tricks the House of Representatives selected John Douglas of the Republican Party as President. The Senate remained deadlocked for another month before selecting Edward Frémont of the Liberty Party as Vice President.
[9] With Douglas dying in 1859 the Republican Party collapsed. Several prominent senators defected into the Liberty Party, bolstering their ranks with support. Likewise several defected into the democratic parties in the south. This would result in John C Fremont becoming the new President of the United States. Unfortunately upon his ascension he would use his agenda to promote emancipation. This would only lead to an eventual conflict with the slave owning states. By the end of his first year in office many of the southern states would have begun to secede from the Union.
[10] The election of 1860 was no sure thing. The United States had become divided into sectional politics, with several parties vying for power. Although the Liberty Party had been bolstered by former senators and congressmen from the now-defunct Republican party. Fremont retained a diverse but secure following from the northern states. He was challenged by the America First Party, whose candidate would be Millard Fillmore of New York. There would also be lesser candidates such as the Southern Democratic Party who would advocate Jefferson Davis as President. The final party would be the National Party. Still a small, yet relatively unknown nor recognized party, this group would make significant inroads against their contenders. They nominated William Seward. Unfortunately the National Party and the America First Party would be unable to make an absolute significant dent against their opponents as the Liberty Party and the Southern Democratic Party dominated the presidential election and primaries for the year. Although the election would be close, it would be the Liberty Party would would carry the election. Yet, upon Fremont's reelection the Southern states seceded to form the Confederate States of America.
[11] Only President to be elected to office for four consecutive terms in office. Descendant of Roger Sherman, William was nominated by the Liberty Party in hopes that his massive popularity in both the Midwest and New England would make the populace forget that the South had separated under their watch. Their hopes proved well founded. An eloquent speaker and dangerously efficient, Sherman quickly rallied the nation behind the war that Fremont had begun declaring that not only were these territories in rebellion but that they deliberately undermined the rights and dignity of the human person. Introduced several amendments into the US Constitution, mainly aimed at dismantling the practice of slavery within the United States. Although they were unable to unseat him many decried him as little better than the slavers he fought due to his suspension of habeas corpus and the propaganda circulated by his administration. The war ended in 1865 with the capture of Veracruz, the last Confederate holdout. Although he faced large opposition within the party for choosing to run for a fourth term when the war had already ended, he was able to justify his rule under the pretenses of ensuring the reorganization and re-education of the South. Today is viewed as a harsh, but overall very good President. He is, however, largely reviled in some parts of the South.
[12] Continued the "Reconstruction" of the south after the war. Was not shy about using military force to ensure the voting rights and freedoms of african-americans in the south which earned him the scorn of many southerners. His administration saw a re-engagement of the United States on the world stage, especially in Latin America and the South Pacific. Blaine saw the US as the protector and leader of the Western Hemisphere and took steps to ensure this role would be upheld, his actions began what would become known later as American Imperialism.
[13] During the Davis Presidency, a new dimension was added to the politics of post-Civil War America - labor disputes. Following his predecessor's precedent of using federal forces to advance executive initiatives, Davis was active in suppressing strikes and labor uprisings with the military, sometimes even going so far as to replace striking workers with soldiers.
[14] The election of 1896 saw the strange reemergence of the Anti-Masonic Party as a serious political force, which most political commentators hitherto had predicted never to return to power. Charles A. Blanchard was the son of popular pastor and educator Jonathan Blanchard, who ran on a platform of social reform and conservative values. He won every state in the North and three in the south in an unprecedented electoral upset.
[15] Realizing that their popularity in the states was quickly declining, the Anti-Masonic and America First parties united for one last chance at the Presidency. In response to increased immigration from the Ireland, the Italian states and Poland the Williams administration pushed through several pieces of immigration reform that restricted the amount of Catholics the United States would accept into the country. Other pieces of legislation targeting immigrants were passed by the nativist controlled Congress. A massive rebellion occurred in the city of Veracruz in the later half of 1903 in response.
[16] Riding on a wave of popular contempt for the sitting president and his severely fractured base, America duly got its first socialist president in 1905. Though he did manage to introduce modest reforms in public pensions and labor union rights, he failed to persuade the Congress to allow women to vote and frustratingly, the Supreme Court ruled several of his proposed reforms outright unconstitutional.
[17] The Liberty party, the conservative rival to the suddenly popular liberal Labor, eeked out a victory with James Clark who campaigned against further "upsetting" of the American social structure. Many of the achievements Debs had accomplished remained too popular for Clark to challenge outright, but he ensured a lax administration of the many new laws his White House had inherited. Clark failed to gain reelection in 1916.
[18] Managed to convince Congress to grant women the right to vote, resulting in wave of popularity which led to his re-election. Although he was able to defang parts of the Williams' immigration reform instituted a decade prior, Congress lacked the will to repeal the legislation altogether.
[19] Died less than a year in office.
[20] The achievement for which Featherston is most remembered is the final repeal of the Williams era immigration restrictions.
[21] Selected as a throw-away candidate by the Liberty Party, in hopes of increasing support in the 1932 election, Pershing would win by a large margin, surprising many. His policies would take the nation on a decidedly more nationalistic course, causing a schism in the Liberty Party. The result of this would be the New Liberty Party (led by future president Styles Bridges), and the American Patriots Party (APP). Did not run for re-election due to age, and would later support the APP.
[22] Winning in a close election against incumbent President Thomas, and APP Nominee Douglas MacArthur, President Bridges would largely end up focusing most of his Presidency on foreign policy, fighting diplomatic battles with France, and eventually fighting in the Proxy War of 1947.
[23] A member of the centrist branch of the Labor Party, Kefauver approached the economy more moderately than past Labor presidents. He is known as well for his crackdown on organized crime and the growing rate of drug abuse. He did not seek a second term and died shortly after his term ended.
[24] After being elected Governor of California in 1962, former actor Gregory Peck would win the Labor nomination, emerging as a dark horse candidate. His Presidency would be one with long lasting effects, overseeing civil rights for African Americans, and the beginning of a war in Arabia. Peck would remain a hero for the Labor Party for decades to come.
[25] Reagan, another former actor and former governor of California, maintained a healthy rivalry with Peck. Reagan inherited the War in Arabia and expanded it, eventually taking the entire peninsula as American territory and sparking the era of the American Empire.

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Here's a map of the mainland United States. As you can see, I've taken some creative liberty with the map (most of the border changes were initially to accommodate acquiring all of Mexico, before that was deemed non-canonical). Most of the states remain unnamed, so if anyone would like to name one, feel free.



AH State Names-
Washington (WA) - OTL's Wisconsin; also includes Chicago.
Jefferson (JF) - OTL's Illinois; Jefferson is Washington's smaller, less corrupt sibling (akin to Wisconsin's OTL relationship with Illinois).
Adams (AD) - OTL's Missouri.
Allegheny (AH) - OTL's West Virginia, with some alterations.
Sonora (SN) - OTL's Sonora, except now it's American. President Jake Featherston was from this state.
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1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797
2. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - New York) 1797-1805
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1805-1808[1]
4. John Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1808-1821 [2]
5. James Monroe (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1821-1825
6. William H Crawford (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1825-1829
7. James Madison (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1829-1837 [3]
8. Joseph Ritner (Anti-Masonic - Pennsylvania) 1837-1839 [4]
9. John Quincy Adams (Anti-Masonic/Whig - Massachusetts) 1839-1845
10. Horace Mann (Whig- Massachusetts) 1845-1849 [5]
11. Winfield Scott (Whig- New Jersey) 1849-1853
12. William King (Republican - Alabama) 1853 [6]
13. Lewis Cass (Republican - Michigan) 1853-1857 [7]
14. John Douglas (Republican/Liberty - Jefferson) 1857-1859 [8][9]
15. Edward Fremont (Liberty - California) 1859-1865 [10]
16. William Sherman (Liberty -Ohio) 1865-1881[11]
17. James G. Blaine (Liberty - Maine) 1881-1889 [12]
18. Henry G. Davis (Liberty - Allegheny) 1889-1897 [13]
19. Charles A. Blanchard (Anti-Masonic - Jefferson) 1897-1901 [14]
20. Joshua Williams (America First/ Anti-Masonic -Delaware) 1901-1905 [15]
21. Eugene V. Debs (Labor - Indiana) 1905-1913 [16]
22. James Clark (Liberty - New York) 1913-1917 [17]
23. Jurgis Sinclair (Labor - Ohio) 1917-1925 [18]
24. Marion La Follette (Labor - Washington) 1925 [19]
25. Jake Featherston (Labor - Sonora) 1925-1933 [20]
26. John J. Pershing (Liberty [later American Patriot] - US) 1933-1937 [21]
27. Norman Thomas (Labor - Ohio) 1937-1941
28. H. Styles Bridges (New Liberty - New Hampshire) 1941-1949 [22]
29. Walter Reuther (Labor - Michigan) 1949-1953
30. Douglas MacArthur (American Patriot - Arkansas) 1953-1961
31. Estes Kefauver (Labor - Tennessee) 1961-1965 [23]
32. Gregory Peck (Labor - California) 1965-1973 [24]
33. Ronald Reagan (American Patriot - California) 1973-1981 [25]
34. James R. Schlesinger (American Patriot - Virginia) 1981-1985

[1] First president to die in office prompting a minor constitutional crisis. He was found dead at his desk the morning after his 'Bastion of Liberty' address to Congress. Widely believed to have suffered a heart attack.
[2] Despite much opposition, John Adams became the first three term president. Following the backlash of his final term, Adams retired from politics and died six years later.
[3] Attempted to introduce an ammendment into the US Constitution which would prevent any President from serving more than two terms. The proposal barely failed. While he left office with a fairly high approval rating, his rule also solidified resentment toward Virginia for "creating a monopoly on the Presidency". Died almost immediately after his departure.
[4] First President to be impeached, in 1839, when Congress found his controversial attempts to outlaw Freemasonry unconstitutional.
[5] Known mainly for overhauling the US Educational system. Did not run for re-election due to health issues.
[6] Came into office through a surge in Republican (formerly Democratic-Republican) popularity after over a decade of Whig rule. King died after barely a month in office from tuberculosis.
[7] Responsible for the Cass Doctrine, in which voters in territories, rather than Congress, determined whether to ban or legalize slavery. While the doctrine ultimately passed, his popularity was significantly diminished in the effort.
[8] The Douglas Presidency is not so notable for what it accomplished, but the circumstances that immediately preceded it. Although a rift had been occuring between the northern bloc of the Republican Party and the southern bloc, it took the Cass Doctrine for that division to become apparent. Consequently, over the course of the Cass administration an increasing number of northern Republicans chose to remove themselves from the organization and join the newly founded Liberty Party along with several of the more moderate Whigs. The Republican Party's problems were further confounded by the rise of the America First Party, a nativist, anti-immigration, "anti-Papist" group, which threatened to split their vote. When election day did arrive, no one group found themselves with the necessary number of electoral votes resulting in the election being thrown to the Congress. After several weeks of debates, backroom negotiations and Parliamentary tricks the House of Representatives selected John Douglas of the Republican Party as President. The Senate remained deadlocked for another month before selecting Edward Frémont of the Liberty Party as Vice President.
[9] With Douglas dying in 1859 the Republican Party collapsed. Several prominent senators defected into the Liberty Party, bolstering their ranks with support. Likewise several defected into the democratic parties in the south. This would result in John C Fremont becoming the new President of the United States. Unfortunately upon his ascension he would use his agenda to promote emancipation. This would only lead to an eventual conflict with the slave owning states. By the end of his first year in office many of the southern states would have begun to secede from the Union.
[10] The election of 1860 was no sure thing. The United States had become divided into sectional politics, with several parties vying for power. Although the Liberty Party had been bolstered by former senators and congressmen from the now-defunct Republican party. Fremont retained a diverse but secure following from the northern states. He was challenged by the America First Party, whose candidate would be Millard Fillmore of New York. There would also be lesser candidates such as the Southern Democratic Party who would advocate Jefferson Davis as President. The final party would be the National Party. Still a small, yet relatively unknown nor recognized party, this group would make significant inroads against their contenders. They nominated William Seward. Unfortunately the National Party and the America First Party would be unable to make an absolute significant dent against their opponents as the Liberty Party and the Southern Democratic Party dominated the presidential election and primaries for the year. Although the election would be close, it would be the Liberty Party would would carry the election. Yet, upon Fremont's reelection the Southern states seceded to form the Confederate States of America.
[11] Only President to be elected to office for four consecutive terms in office. Descendant of Roger Sherman, William was nominated by the Liberty Party in hopes that his massive popularity in both the Midwest and New England would make the populace forget that the South had separated under their watch. Their hopes proved well founded. An eloquent speaker and dangerously efficient, Sherman quickly rallied the nation behind the war that Fremont had begun declaring that not only were these territories in rebellion but that they deliberately undermined the rights and dignity of the human person. Introduced several amendments into the US Constitution, mainly aimed at dismantling the practice of slavery within the United States. Although they were unable to unseat him many decried him as little better than the slavers he fought due to his suspension of habeas corpus and the propaganda circulated by his administration. The war ended in 1865 with the capture of Veracruz, the last Confederate holdout. Although he faced large opposition within the party for choosing to run for a fourth term when the war had already ended, he was able to justify his rule under the pretenses of ensuring the reorganization and re-education of the South. Today is viewed as a harsh, but overall very good President. He is, however, largely reviled in some parts of the South.
[12] Continued the "Reconstruction" of the south after the war. Was not shy about using military force to ensure the voting rights and freedoms of african-americans in the south which earned him the scorn of many southerners. His administration saw a re-engagement of the United States on the world stage, especially in Latin America and the South Pacific. Blaine saw the US as the protector and leader of the Western Hemisphere and took steps to ensure this role would be upheld, his actions began what would become known later as American Imperialism.
[13] During the Davis Presidency, a new dimension was added to the politics of post-Civil War America - labor disputes. Following his predecessor's precedent of using federal forces to advance executive initiatives, Davis was active in suppressing strikes and labor uprisings with the military, sometimes even going so far as to replace striking workers with soldiers.
[14] The election of 1896 saw the strange reemergence of the Anti-Masonic Party as a serious political force, which most political commentators hitherto had predicted never to return to power. Charles A. Blanchard was the son of popular pastor and educator Jonathan Blanchard, who ran on a platform of social reform and conservative values. He won every state in the North and three in the south in an unprecedented electoral upset.
[15] Realizing that their popularity in the states was quickly declining, the Anti-Masonic and America First parties united for one last chance at the Presidency. In response to increased immigration from the Ireland, the Italian states and Poland the Williams administration pushed through several pieces of immigration reform that restricted the amount of Catholics the United States would accept into the country. Other pieces of legislation targeting immigrants were passed by the nativist controlled Congress. A massive rebellion occurred in the city of Veracruz in the later half of 1903 in response.
[16] Riding on a wave of popular contempt for the sitting president and his severely fractured base, America duly got its first socialist president in 1905. Though he did manage to introduce modest reforms in public pensions and labor union rights, he failed to persuade the Congress to allow women to vote and frustratingly, the Supreme Court ruled several of his proposed reforms outright unconstitutional.
[17] The Liberty party, the conservative rival to the suddenly popular liberal Labor, eeked out a victory with James Clark who campaigned against further "upsetting" of the American social structure. Many of the achievements Debs had accomplished remained too popular for Clark to challenge outright, but he ensured a lax administration of the many new laws his White House had inherited. Clark failed to gain reelection in 1916.
[18] Managed to convince Congress to grant women the right to vote, resulting in wave of popularity which led to his re-election. Although he was able to defang parts of the Williams' immigration reform instituted a decade prior, Congress lacked the will to repeal the legislation altogether.
[19] Died less than a year in office.
[20] The achievement for which Featherston is most remembered is the final repeal of the Williams era immigration restrictions.
[21] Selected as a throw-away candidate by the Liberty Party, in hopes of increasing support in the 1932 election, Pershing would win by a large margin, surprising many. His policies would take the nation on a decidedly more nationalistic course, causing a schism in the Liberty Party. The result of this would be the New Liberty Party (led by future president Styles Bridges), and the American Patriots Party (APP). Did not run for re-election due to age, and would later support the APP.
[22] Winning in a close election against incumbent President Thomas, and APP Nominee Douglas MacArthur, President Bridges would largely end up focusing most of his Presidency on foreign policy, fighting diplomatic battles with France, and eventually fighting in the Proxy War of 1947.
[23] A member of the centrist branch of the Labor Party, Kefauver approached the economy more moderately than past Labor presidents. He is known as well for his crackdown on organized crime and the growing rate of drug abuse. He did not seek a second term and died shortly after his term ended.
[24] After being elected Governor of California in 1962, former actor Gregory Peck would win the Labor nomination, emerging as a dark horse candidate. His Presidency would be one with long lasting effects, overseeing civil rights for African Americans, and the beginning of a war in Arabia. Peck would remain a hero for the Labor Party for decades to come.
[25] Reagan, another former actor and former governor of California, maintained a healthy rivalry with Peck. Reagan inherited the War in Arabia and expanded it, eventually taking the entire peninsula as American territory and sparking the era of the American Empire.
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A few ideas for state names-
New Mexico (NM) - OTL's northern New Mexico and the Texas Panhandle
Arizona (AZ) - OTL's Arizona; traditional Spanish name for the area just north of Sonora.
Colorado (CO) - OTL's Utah and western Colorado; named for the Colorado River.
Oregon (OR) - OTL's Oregon; Oregon refers to a mythical great western river.
Columbia (CL) - OTL's Washington; named for the Columbia River.
Missouri (MO) - OTL's southern South Dakota and northern Nebraska; named for the Missouri River.
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Not Richard Dawkins. Just the first name I could come up with. Fairly uneventful Presidency. Largely continued the policies of his predecessors.

1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797
2. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - New York) 1797-1805
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1805-1808[1]
4. John Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1808-1821 [2]
5. James Monroe (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1821-1825
6. William H Crawford (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1825-1829
7. James Madison (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1829-1837 [3]
8. Joseph Ritner (Anti-Masonic - Pennsylvania) 1837-1839 [4]
9. John Quincy Adams (Anti-Masonic/Whig - Massachusetts) 1839-1845
10. Horace Mann (Whig- Massachusetts) 1845-1849 [5]
11. Winfield Scott (Whig- New Jersey) 1849-1853
12. William King (Republican - Alabama) 1853 [6]
13. Lewis Cass (Republican - Michigan) 1853-1857 [7]
14. John Douglas (Republican/Liberty - Jefferson) 1857-1859 [8][9]
15. Edward Fremont (Liberty - California) 1859-1865 [10]
16. William Sherman (Liberty -Ohio) 1865-1881[11]
17. James G. Blaine (Liberty - Maine) 1881-1889 [12]
18. Henry G. Davis (Liberty - Allegheny) 1889-1897 [13]
19. Charles A. Blanchard (Anti-Masonic - Jefferson) 1897-1901 [14]
20. Joshua Williams (America First/ Anti-Masonic -Delaware) 1901-1905 [15]
21. Eugene V. Debs (Labor - Indiana) 1905-1913 [16]
22. James Clark (Liberty - New York) 1913-1917 [17]
23. Jurgis Sinclair (Labor - Ohio) 1917-1925 [18]
24. Marion La Follette (Labor - Washington) 1925 [19]
25. Jake Featherston (Labor - Sonora) 1925-1933 [20]
26. John J. Pershing (Liberty [later American Patriot] - US) 1933-1937 [21]
27. Norman Thomas (Labor - Ohio) 1937-1941
28. H. Styles Bridges (New Liberty - New Hampshire) 1941-1949 [22]
29. Walter Reuther (Labor - Michigan) 1949-1953
30. Douglas MacArthur (American Patriot - Arkansas) 1953-1961
31. Estes Kefauver (Labor - Tennessee) 1961-1965 [23]
32. Gregory Peck (Labor - California) 1965-1973 [24]
33. Ronald Reagan (American Patriot - California) 1973-1981 [25]
34. James R. Schlesinger (American Patriot - Virginia) 1981-1985
35. Ludlow Dawkins (American Patriot - Ozark) 1985-1989

[1] First president to die in office prompting a minor constitutional crisis. He was found dead at his desk the morning after his 'Bastion of Liberty' address to Congress. Widely believed to have suffered a heart attack.
[2] Despite much opposition, John Adams became the first three term president. Following the backlash of his final term, Adams retired from politics and died six years later.
[3] Attempted to introduce an ammendment into the US Constitution which would prevent any President from serving more than two terms. The proposal barely failed. While he left office with a fairly high approval rating, his rule also solidified resentment toward Virginia for "creating a monopoly on the Presidency". Died almost immediately after his departure.
[4] First President to be impeached, in 1839, when Congress found his controversial attempts to outlaw Freemasonry unconstitutional.
[5] Known mainly for overhauling the US Educational system. Did not run for re-election due to health issues.
[6] Came into office through a surge in Republican (formerly Democratic-Republican) popularity after over a decade of Whig rule. King died after barely a month in office from tuberculosis.
[7] Responsible for the Cass Doctrine, in which voters in territories, rather than Congress, determined whether to ban or legalize slavery. While the doctrine ultimately passed, his popularity was significantly diminished in the effort.
[8] The Douglas Presidency is not so notable for what it accomplished, but the circumstances that immediately preceded it. Although a rift had been occuring between the northern bloc of the Republican Party and the southern bloc, it took the Cass Doctrine for that division to become apparent. Consequently, over the course of the Cass administration an increasing number of northern Republicans chose to remove themselves from the organization and join the newly founded Liberty Party along with several of the more moderate Whigs. The Republican Party's problems were further confounded by the rise of the America First Party, a nativist, anti-immigration, "anti-Papist" group, which threatened to split their vote. When election day did arrive, no one group found themselves with the necessary number of electoral votes resulting in the election being thrown to the Congress. After several weeks of debates, backroom negotiations and Parliamentary tricks the House of Representatives selected John Douglas of the Republican Party as President. The Senate remained deadlocked for another month before selecting Edward Frémont of the Liberty Party as Vice President.
[9] With Douglas dying in 1859 the Republican Party collapsed. Several prominent senators defected into the Liberty Party, bolstering their ranks with support. Likewise several defected into the democratic parties in the south. This would result in John C Fremont becoming the new President of the United States. Unfortunately upon his ascension he would use his agenda to promote emancipation. This would only lead to an eventual conflict with the slave owning states. By the end of his first year in office many of the southern states would have begun to secede from the Union.
[10] The election of 1860 was no sure thing. The United States had become divided into sectional politics, with several parties vying for power. Although the Liberty Party had been bolstered by former senators and congressmen from the now-defunct Republican party. Fremont retained a diverse but secure following from the northern states. He was challenged by the America First Party, whose candidate would be Millard Fillmore of New York. There would also be lesser candidates such as the Southern Democratic Party who would advocate Jefferson Davis as President. The final party would be the National Party. Still a small, yet relatively unknown nor recognized party, this group would make significant inroads against their contenders. They nominated William Seward. Unfortunately the National Party and the America First Party would be unable to make an absolute significant dent against their opponents as the Liberty Party and the Southern Democratic Party dominated the presidential election and primaries for the year. Although the election would be close, it would be the Liberty Party would would carry the election. Yet, upon Fremont's reelection the Southern states seceded to form the Confederate States of America.
[11] Only President to be elected to office for four consecutive terms in office. Descendant of Roger Sherman, William was nominated by the Liberty Party in hopes that his massive popularity in both the Midwest and New England would make the populace forget that the South had separated under their watch. Their hopes proved well founded. An eloquent speaker and dangerously efficient, Sherman quickly rallied the nation behind the war that Fremont had begun declaring that not only were these territories in rebellion but that they deliberately undermined the rights and dignity of the human person. Introduced several amendments into the US Constitution, mainly aimed at dismantling the practice of slavery within the United States. Although they were unable to unseat him many decried him as little better than the slavers he fought due to his suspension of habeas corpus and the propaganda circulated by his administration. The war ended in 1865 with the capture of Veracruz, the last Confederate holdout. Although he faced large opposition within the party for choosing to run for a fourth term when the war had already ended, he was able to justify his rule under the pretenses of ensuring the reorganization and re-education of the South. Today is viewed as a harsh, but overall very good President. He is, however, largely reviled in some parts of the South.
[12] Continued the "Reconstruction" of the south after the war. Was not shy about using military force to ensure the voting rights and freedoms of african-americans in the south which earned him the scorn of many southerners. His administration saw a re-engagement of the United States on the world stage, especially in Latin America and the South Pacific. Blaine saw the US as the protector and leader of the Western Hemisphere and took steps to ensure this role would be upheld, his actions began what would become known later as American Imperialism.
[13] During the Davis Presidency, a new dimension was added to the politics of post-Civil War America - labor disputes. Following his predecessor's precedent of using federal forces to advance executive initiatives, Davis was active in suppressing strikes and labor uprisings with the military, sometimes even going so far as to replace striking workers with soldiers.
[14] The election of 1896 saw the strange reemergence of the Anti-Masonic Party as a serious political force, which most political commentators hitherto had predicted never to return to power. Charles A. Blanchard was the son of popular pastor and educator Jonathan Blanchard, who ran on a platform of social reform and conservative values. He won every state in the North and three in the south in an unprecedented electoral upset.
[15] Realizing that their popularity in the states was quickly declining, the Anti-Masonic and America First parties united for one last chance at the Presidency. In response to increased immigration from the Ireland, the Italian states and Poland the Williams administration pushed through several pieces of immigration reform that restricted the amount of Catholics the United States would accept into the country. Other pieces of legislation targeting immigrants were passed by the nativist controlled Congress. A massive rebellion occurred in the city of Veracruz in the later half of 1903 in response.
[16] Riding on a wave of popular contempt for the sitting president and his severely fractured base, America duly got its first socialist president in 1905. Though he did manage to introduce modest reforms in public pensions and labor union rights, he failed to persuade the Congress to allow women to vote and frustratingly, the Supreme Court ruled several of his proposed reforms outright unconstitutional.
[17] The Liberty party, the conservative rival to the suddenly popular liberal Labor, eeked out a victory with James Clark who campaigned against further "upsetting" of the American social structure. Many of the achievements Debs had accomplished remained too popular for Clark to challenge outright, but he ensured a lax administration of the many new laws his White House had inherited. Clark failed to gain reelection in 1916.
[18] Managed to convince Congress to grant women the right to vote, resulting in wave of popularity which led to his re-election. Although he was able to defang parts of the Williams' immigration reform instituted a decade prior, Congress lacked the will to repeal the legislation altogether.
[19] Died less than a year in office.
[20] The achievement for which Featherston is most remembered is the final repeal of the Williams era immigration restrictions.
[21] Selected as a throw-away candidate by the Liberty Party, in hopes of increasing support in the 1932 election, Pershing would win by a large margin, surprising many. His policies would take the nation on a decidedly more nationalistic course, causing a schism in the Liberty Party. The result of this would be the New Liberty Party (led by future president Styles Bridges), and the American Patriots Party (APP). Did not run for re-election due to age, and would later support the APP.
[22] Winning in a close election against incumbent President Thomas, and APP Nominee Douglas MacArthur, President Bridges would largely end up focusing most of his Presidency on foreign policy, fighting diplomatic battles with France, and eventually fighting in the Proxy War of 1947.
[23] A member of the centrist branch of the Labor Party, Kefauver approached the economy more moderately than past Labor presidents. He is known as well for his crackdown on organized crime and the growing rate of drug abuse. He did not seek a second term and died shortly after his term ended.
[24] After being elected Governor of California in 1962, former actor Gregory Peck would win the Labor nomination, emerging as a dark horse candidate. His Presidency would be one with long lasting effects, overseeing civil rights for African Americans, and the beginning of a war in Arabia. Peck would remain a hero for the Labor Party for decades to come.
[25] Reagan, another former actor and former governor of California, maintained a healthy rivalry with Peck. Reagan inherited the War in Arabia and expanded it, eventually taking the entire peninsula as American territory and sparking the era of the American Empire.
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1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797
2. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - New York) 1797-1805
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1805-1808[1]
4. John Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1808-1821 [2]
5. James Monroe (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1821-1825
6. William H Crawford (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1825-1829
7. James Madison (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1829-1837 [3]
8. Joseph Ritner (Anti-Masonic - Pennsylvania) 1837-1839 [4]
9. John Quincy Adams (Anti-Masonic/Whig - Massachusetts) 1839-1845
10. Horace Mann (Whig- Massachusetts) 1845-1849 [5]
11. Winfield Scott (Whig- New Jersey) 1849-1853
12. William King (Republican - Alabama) 1853 [6]
13. Lewis Cass (Republican - Michigan) 1853-1857 [7]
14. John Douglas (Republican/Liberty - Jefferson) 1857-1859 [8][9]
15. Edward Fremont (Liberty - California) 1859-1865 [10]
16. William Sherman (Liberty -Ohio) 1865-1881[11]
17. James G. Blaine (Liberty - Maine) 1881-1889 [12]
18. Henry G. Davis (Liberty - Allegheny) 1889-1897 [13]
19. Charles A. Blanchard (Anti-Masonic - Jefferson) 1897-1901 [14]
20. Joshua Williams (America First/ Anti-Masonic -Delaware) 1901-1905 [15]
21. Eugene V. Debs (Labor - Indiana) 1905-1913 [16]
22. James Clark (Liberty - New York) 1913-1917 [17]
23. Jurgis Sinclair (Labor - Ohio) 1917-1925 [18]
24. Marion La Follette (Labor - Washington) 1925 [19]
25. Jake Featherston (Labor - Sonora) 1925-1933 [20]
26. John J. Pershing (Liberty [later American Patriot] - US) 1933-1937 [21]
27. Norman Thomas (Labor - Ohio) 1937-1941
28. H. Styles Bridges (New Liberty - New Hampshire) 1941-1949 [22]
29. Walter Reuther (Labor - Michigan) 1949-1953
30. Douglas MacArthur (American Patriot - Arkansas) 1953-1961
31. Estes Kefauver (Labor - Tennessee) 1961-1965 [23]
32. Gregory Peck (Labor - California) 1965-1973 [24]
33. Ronald Reagan (American Patriot - California) 1973-1981 [25]
34. James R. Schlesinger (American Patriot - Virginia) 1981-1985
35. Ludlow Dawkins (American Patriot - Ozark) 1985-1989
36. David Ladefoged (Labor - Massachusetts) 1989-1997 [26]

[1] First president to die in office prompting a minor constitutional crisis. He was found dead at his desk the morning after his 'Bastion of Liberty' address to Congress. Widely believed to have suffered a heart attack.
[2] Despite much opposition, John Adams became the first three term president. Following the backlash of his final term, Adams retired from politics and died six years later.
[3] Attempted to introduce an ammendment into the US Constitution which would prevent any President from serving more than two terms. The proposal barely failed. While he left office with a fairly high approval rating, his rule also solidified resentment toward Virginia for "creating a monopoly on the Presidency". Died almost immediately after his departure.
[4] First President to be impeached, in 1839, when Congress found his controversial attempts to outlaw Freemasonry unconstitutional.
[5] Known mainly for overhauling the US Educational system. Did not run for re-election due to health issues.
[6] Came into office through a surge in Republican (formerly Democratic-Republican) popularity after over a decade of Whig rule. King died after barely a month in office from tuberculosis.
[7] Responsible for the Cass Doctrine, in which voters in territories, rather than Congress, determined whether to ban or legalize slavery. While the doctrine ultimately passed, his popularity was significantly diminished in the effort.
[8] The Douglas Presidency is not so notable for what it accomplished, but the circumstances that immediately preceded it. Although a rift had been occuring between the northern bloc of the Republican Party and the southern bloc, it took the Cass Doctrine for that division to become apparent. Consequently, over the course of the Cass administration an increasing number of northern Republicans chose to remove themselves from the organization and join the newly founded Liberty Party along with several of the more moderate Whigs. The Republican Party's problems were further confounded by the rise of the America First Party, a nativist, anti-immigration, "anti-Papist" group, which threatened to split their vote. When election day did arrive, no one group found themselves with the necessary number of electoral votes resulting in the election being thrown to the Congress. After several weeks of debates, backroom negotiations and Parliamentary tricks the House of Representatives selected John Douglas of the Republican Party as President. The Senate remained deadlocked for another month before selecting Edward Frémont of the Liberty Party as Vice President.
[9] With Douglas dying in 1859 the Republican Party collapsed. Several prominent senators defected into the Liberty Party, bolstering their ranks with support. Likewise several defected into the democratic parties in the south. This would result in John C Fremont becoming the new President of the United States. Unfortunately upon his ascension he would use his agenda to promote emancipation. This would only lead to an eventual conflict with the slave owning states. By the end of his first year in office many of the southern states would have begun to secede from the Union.
[10] The election of 1860 was no sure thing. The United States had become divided into sectional politics, with several parties vying for power. Although the Liberty Party had been bolstered by former senators and congressmen from the now-defunct Republican party. Fremont retained a diverse but secure following from the northern states. He was challenged by the America First Party, whose candidate would be Millard Fillmore of New York. There would also be lesser candidates such as the Southern Democratic Party who would advocate Jefferson Davis as President. The final party would be the National Party. Still a small, yet relatively unknown nor recognized party, this group would make significant inroads against their contenders. They nominated William Seward. Unfortunately the National Party and the America First Party would be unable to make an absolute significant dent against their opponents as the Liberty Party and the Southern Democratic Party dominated the presidential election and primaries for the year. Although the election would be close, it would be the Liberty Party would would carry the election. Yet, upon Fremont's reelection the Southern states seceded to form the Confederate States of America.
[11] Only President to be elected to office for four consecutive terms in office. Descendant of Roger Sherman, William was nominated by the Liberty Party in hopes that his massive popularity in both the Midwest and New England would make the populace forget that the South had separated under their watch. Their hopes proved well founded. An eloquent speaker and dangerously efficient, Sherman quickly rallied the nation behind the war that Fremont had begun declaring that not only were these territories in rebellion but that they deliberately undermined the rights and dignity of the human person. Introduced several amendments into the US Constitution, mainly aimed at dismantling the practice of slavery within the United States. Although they were unable to unseat him many decried him as little better than the slavers he fought due to his suspension of habeas corpus and the propaganda circulated by his administration. The war ended in 1865 with the capture of Veracruz, the last Confederate holdout. Although he faced large opposition within the party for choosing to run for a fourth term when the war had already ended, he was able to justify his rule under the pretenses of ensuring the reorganization and re-education of the South. Today is viewed as a harsh, but overall very good President. He is, however, largely reviled in some parts of the South.
[12] Continued the "Reconstruction" of the south after the war. Was not shy about using military force to ensure the voting rights and freedoms of african-americans in the south which earned him the scorn of many southerners. His administration saw a re-engagement of the United States on the world stage, especially in Latin America and the South Pacific. Blaine saw the US as the protector and leader of the Western Hemisphere and took steps to ensure this role would be upheld, his actions began what would become known later as American Imperialism.
[13] During the Davis Presidency, a new dimension was added to the politics of post-Civil War America - labor disputes. Following his predecessor's precedent of using federal forces to advance executive initiatives, Davis was active in suppressing strikes and labor uprisings with the military, sometimes even going so far as to replace striking workers with soldiers.
[14] The election of 1896 saw the strange reemergence of the Anti-Masonic Party as a serious political force, which most political commentators hitherto had predicted never to return to power. Charles A. Blanchard was the son of popular pastor and educator Jonathan Blanchard, who ran on a platform of social reform and conservative values. He won every state in the North and three in the south in an unprecedented electoral upset.
[15] Realizing that their popularity in the states was quickly declining, the Anti-Masonic and America First parties united for one last chance at the Presidency. In response to increased immigration from the Ireland, the Italian states and Poland the Williams administration pushed through several pieces of immigration reform that restricted the amount of Catholics the United States would accept into the country. Other pieces of legislation targeting immigrants were passed by the nativist controlled Congress. A massive rebellion occurred in the city of Veracruz in the later half of 1903 in response.
[16] Riding on a wave of popular contempt for the sitting president and his severely fractured base, America duly got its first socialist president in 1905. Though he did manage to introduce modest reforms in public pensions and labor union rights, he failed to persuade the Congress to allow women to vote and frustratingly, the Supreme Court ruled several of his proposed reforms outright unconstitutional.
[17] The Liberty party, the conservative rival to the suddenly popular liberal Labor, eeked out a victory with James Clark who campaigned against further "upsetting" of the American social structure. Many of the achievements Debs had accomplished remained too popular for Clark to challenge outright, but he ensured a lax administration of the many new laws his White House had inherited. Clark failed to gain reelection in 1916.
[18] Managed to convince Congress to grant women the right to vote, resulting in wave of popularity which led to his re-election. Although he was able to defang parts of the Williams' immigration reform instituted a decade prior, Congress lacked the will to repeal the legislation altogether.
[19] Died less than a year in office.
[20] The achievement for which Featherston is most remembered is the final repeal of the Williams era immigration restrictions.
[21] Selected as a throw-away candidate by the Liberty Party, in hopes of increasing support in the 1932 election, Pershing would win by a large margin, surprising many. His policies would take the nation on a decidedly more nationalistic course, causing a schism in the Liberty Party. The result of this would be the New Liberty Party (led by future president Styles Bridges), and the American Patriots Party (APP). Did not run for re-election due to age, and would later support the APP.
[22] Winning in a close election against incumbent President Thomas, and APP Nominee Douglas MacArthur, President Bridges would largely end up focusing most of his Presidency on foreign policy, fighting diplomatic battles with France, and eventually fighting in the Proxy War of 1947.
[23] A member of the centrist branch of the Labor Party, Kefauver approached the economy more moderately than past Labor presidents. He is known as well for his crackdown on organized crime and the growing rate of drug abuse. He did not seek a second term and died shortly after his term ended.
[24] After being elected Governor of California in 1962, former actor Gregory Peck would win the Labor nomination, emerging as a dark horse candidate. His Presidency would be one with long lasting effects, overseeing civil rights for African Americans, and the beginning of a war in Arabia. Peck would remain a hero for the Labor Party for decades to come.
[25] Reagan, another former actor and former governor of California, maintained a healthy rivalry with Peck. Reagan inherited the War in Arabia and expanded it, eventually taking the entire peninsula as American territory and sparking the era of the American Empire.
[26] Reversing the doctrine of large-scale privatization adopted by the APP, Ladefoged oversaw the largest program of nationalization and social spending in over 60 years. Ladefoged's administration is known for tax increases, nationalization of most of the oil fields in American Arabia, and a massive overhaul of healthcare and social security structures. Early on, Ladefoged scaled back international military engagements, but by the end of his term, the United States had troops stationed throughout the world and had become involved in domestic politics especially in the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America.
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1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797
2. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - New York) 1797-1805
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1805-1808[1]
4. John Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1808-1821 [2]
5. James Monroe (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1821-1825
6. William H Crawford (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1825-1829
7. James Madison (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1829-1837 [3]
8. Joseph Ritner (Anti-Masonic - Pennsylvania) 1837-1839 [4]
9. John Quincy Adams (Anti-Masonic/Whig - Massachusetts) 1839-1845
10. Horace Mann (Whig- Massachusetts) 1845-1849 [5]
11. Winfield Scott (Whig- New Jersey) 1849-1853
12. William King (Republican - Alabama) 1853 [6]
13. Lewis Cass (Republican - Michigan) 1853-1857 [7]
14. John Douglas (Republican/Liberty - Jefferson) 1857-1859 [8][9]
15. Edward Fremont (Liberty - California) 1859-1865 [10]
16. William Sherman (Liberty -Ohio) 1865-1881[11]
17. James G. Blaine (Liberty - Maine) 1881-1889 [12]
18. Henry G. Davis (Liberty - Allegheny) 1889-1897 [13]
19. Charles A. Blanchard (Anti-Masonic - Jefferson) 1897-1901 [14]
20. Joshua Williams (America First/ Anti-Masonic -Delaware) 1901-1905 [15]
21. Eugene V. Debs (Labor - Indiana) 1905-1913 [16]
22. James Clark (Liberty - New York) 1913-1917 [17]
23. Jurgis Sinclair (Labor - Ohio) 1917-1925 [18]
24. Marion La Follette (Labor - Washington) 1925 [19]
25. Jake Featherston (Labor - Sonora) 1925-1933 [20]
26. John J. Pershing (Liberty [later American Patriot] - US) 1933-1937 [21]
27. Norman Thomas (Labor - Ohio) 1937-1941
28. H. Styles Bridges (New Liberty - New Hampshire) 1941-1949 [22]
29. Walter Reuther (Labor - Michigan) 1949-1953
30. Douglas MacArthur (American Patriot - Arkansas) 1953-1961
31. Estes Kefauver (Labor - Tennessee) 1961-1965 [23]
32. Gregory Peck (Labor - California) 1965-1973 [24]
33. Ronald Reagan (American Patriot - California) 1973-1981 [25]
34. James R. Schlesinger (American Patriot - Virginia) 1981-1985
35. Ludlow Dawkins (American Patriot - Ozark) 1985-1989
36. David Ladefoged (Labor - Massachusetts) 1989-1997 [26]
37. Carey P. Peck (Labor - Columbia*) 1997-2005[27]

[1] First president to die in office prompting a minor constitutional crisis. He was found dead at his desk the morning after his 'Bastion of Liberty' address to Congress. Widely believed to have suffered a heart attack.
[2] Despite much opposition, John Adams became the first three term president. Following the backlash of his final term, Adams retired from politics and died six years later.
[3] Attempted to introduce an ammendment into the US Constitution which would prevent any President from serving more than two terms. The proposal barely failed. While he left office with a fairly high approval rating, his rule also solidified resentment toward Virginia for "creating a monopoly on the Presidency". Died almost immediately after his departure.
[4] First President to be impeached, in 1839, when Congress found his controversial attempts to outlaw Freemasonry unconstitutional.
[5] Known mainly for overhauling the US Educational system. Did not run for re-election due to health issues.
[6] Came into office through a surge in Republican (formerly Democratic-Republican) popularity after over a decade of Whig rule. King died after barely a month in office from tuberculosis.
[7] Responsible for the Cass Doctrine, in which voters in territories, rather than Congress, determined whether to ban or legalize slavery. While the doctrine ultimately passed, his popularity was significantly diminished in the effort.
[8] The Douglas Presidency is not so notable for what it accomplished, but the circumstances that immediately preceded it. Although a rift had been occuring between the northern bloc of the Republican Party and the southern bloc, it took the Cass Doctrine for that division to become apparent. Consequently, over the course of the Cass administration an increasing number of northern Republicans chose to remove themselves from the organization and join the newly founded Liberty Party along with several of the more moderate Whigs. The Republican Party's problems were further confounded by the rise of the America First Party, a nativist, anti-immigration, "anti-Papist" group, which threatened to split their vote. When election day did arrive, no one group found themselves with the necessary number of electoral votes resulting in the election being thrown to the Congress. After several weeks of debates, backroom negotiations and Parliamentary tricks the House of Representatives selected John Douglas of the Republican Party as President. The Senate remained deadlocked for another month before selecting Edward Frémont of the Liberty Party as Vice President.
[9] With Douglas dying in 1859 the Republican Party collapsed. Several prominent senators defected into the Liberty Party, bolstering their ranks with support. Likewise several defected into the democratic parties in the south. This would result in John C Fremont becoming the new President of the United States. Unfortunately upon his ascension he would use his agenda to promote emancipation. This would only lead to an eventual conflict with the slave owning states. By the end of his first year in office many of the southern states would have begun to secede from the Union.
[10] The election of 1860 was no sure thing. The United States had become divided into sectional politics, with several parties vying for power. Although the Liberty Party had been bolstered by former senators and congressmen from the now-defunct Republican party. Fremont retained a diverse but secure following from the northern states. He was challenged by the America First Party, whose candidate would be Millard Fillmore of New York. There would also be lesser candidates such as the Southern Democratic Party who would advocate Jefferson Davis as President. The final party would be the National Party. Still a small, yet relatively unknown nor recognized party, this group would make significant inroads against their contenders. They nominated William Seward. Unfortunately the National Party and the America First Party would be unable to make an absolute significant dent against their opponents as the Liberty Party and the Southern Democratic Party dominated the presidential election and primaries for the year. Although the election would be close, it would be the Liberty Party would would carry the election. Yet, upon Fremont's reelection the Southern states seceded to form the Confederate States of America.
[11] Only President to be elected to office for four consecutive terms in office. Descendant of Roger Sherman, William was nominated by the Liberty Party in hopes that his massive popularity in both the Midwest and New England would make the populace forget that the South had separated under their watch. Their hopes proved well founded. An eloquent speaker and dangerously efficient, Sherman quickly rallied the nation behind the war that Fremont had begun declaring that not only were these territories in rebellion but that they deliberately undermined the rights and dignity of the human person. Introduced several amendments into the US Constitution, mainly aimed at dismantling the practice of slavery within the United States. Although they were unable to unseat him many decried him as little better than the slavers he fought due to his suspension of habeas corpus and the propaganda circulated by his administration. The war ended in 1865 with the capture of Veracruz, the last Confederate holdout. Although he faced large opposition within the party for choosing to run for a fourth term when the war had already ended, he was able to justify his rule under the pretenses of ensuring the reorganization and re-education of the South. Today is viewed as a harsh, but overall very good President. He is, however, largely reviled in some parts of the South.
[12] Continued the "Reconstruction" of the south after the war. Was not shy about using military force to ensure the voting rights and freedoms of african-americans in the south which earned him the scorn of many southerners. His administration saw a re-engagement of the United States on the world stage, especially in Latin America and the South Pacific. Blaine saw the US as the protector and leader of the Western Hemisphere and took steps to ensure this role would be upheld, his actions began what would become known later as American Imperialism.
[13] During the Davis Presidency, a new dimension was added to the politics of post-Civil War America - labor disputes. Following his predecessor's precedent of using federal forces to advance executive initiatives, Davis was active in suppressing strikes and labor uprisings with the military, sometimes even going so far as to replace striking workers with soldiers.
[14] The election of 1896 saw the strange reemergence of the Anti-Masonic Party as a serious political force, which most political commentators hitherto had predicted never to return to power. Charles A. Blanchard was the son of popular pastor and educator Jonathan Blanchard, who ran on a platform of social reform and conservative values. He won every state in the North and three in the south in an unprecedented electoral upset.
[15] Realizing that their popularity in the states was quickly declining, the Anti-Masonic and America First parties united for one last chance at the Presidency. In response to increased immigration from the Ireland, the Italian states and Poland the Williams administration pushed through several pieces of immigration reform that restricted the amount of Catholics the United States would accept into the country. Other pieces of legislation targeting immigrants were passed by the nativist controlled Congress. A massive rebellion occurred in the city of Veracruz in the later half of 1903 in response.
[16] Riding on a wave of popular contempt for the sitting president and his severely fractured base, America duly got its first socialist president in 1905. Though he did manage to introduce modest reforms in public pensions and labor union rights, he failed to persuade the Congress to allow women to vote and frustratingly, the Supreme Court ruled several of his proposed reforms outright unconstitutional.
[17] The Liberty party, the conservative rival to the suddenly popular liberal Labor, eeked out a victory with James Clark who campaigned against further "upsetting" of the American social structure. Many of the achievements Debs had accomplished remained too popular for Clark to challenge outright, but he ensured a lax administration of the many new laws his White House had inherited. Clark failed to gain reelection in 1916.
[18] Managed to convince Congress to grant women the right to vote, resulting in wave of popularity which led to his re-election. Although he was able to defang parts of the Williams' immigration reform instituted a decade prior, Congress lacked the will to repeal the legislation altogether.
[19] Died less than a year in office.
[20] The achievement for which Featherston is most remembered is the final repeal of the Williams era immigration restrictions.
[21] Selected as a throw-away candidate by the Liberty Party, in hopes of increasing support in the 1932 election, Pershing would win by a large margin, surprising many. His policies would take the nation on a decidedly more nationalistic course, causing a schism in the Liberty Party. The result of this would be the New Liberty Party (led by future president Styles Bridges), and the American Patriots Party (APP). Did not run for re-election due to age, and would later support the APP.
[22] Winning in a close election against incumbent President Thomas, and APP Nominee Douglas MacArthur, President Bridges would largely end up focusing most of his Presidency on foreign policy, fighting diplomatic battles with France, and eventually fighting in the Proxy War of 1947.
[23] A member of the centrist branch of the Labor Party, Kefauver approached the economy more moderately than past Labor presidents. He is known as well for his crackdown on organized crime and the growing rate of drug abuse. He did not seek a second term and died shortly after his term ended.
[24] After being elected Governor of California in 1962, former actor Gregory Peck would win the Labor nomination, emerging as a dark horse candidate. His Presidency would be one with long lasting effects, overseeing civil rights for African Americans, and the beginning of a war in Arabia. Peck would remain a hero for the Labor Party for decades to come.
[25] Reagan, another former actor and former governor of California, maintained a healthy rivalry with Peck. Reagan inherited the War in Arabia and expanded it, eventually taking the entire peninsula as American territory and sparking the era of the American Empire.
[26] Reversing the doctrine of large-scale privatization adopted by the APP, Ladefoged oversaw the largest program of nationalization and social spending in over 60 years. Ladefoged's administration is known for tax increases, nationalization of most of the oil fields in American Arabia, and a massive overhaul of healthcare and social security structures. Early on, Ladefoged scaled back international military engagements, but by the end of his term, the United States had troops stationed throughout the world and had become involved in domestic politics especially in the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America.
[27] President Carey Peck, son of former President and actor Gregory Peck, wins the Labor nomination against Vice President Paul Wellstone. His Presidency would oversee a halt to the Age of Imperialism started by President Reagan. American Arabia was broken up into American puppets, and troops stationed around the world began to be brought home.

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1. George Washington (Independent - Virginia) 1789-1797
2. Alexander Hamilton (Federalist - New York) 1797-1805
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1805-1808[1]
4. John Adams (Federalist - Massachusetts) 1808-1821 [2]
5. James Monroe (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1821-1825
6. William H Crawford (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1825-1829
7. James Madison (Democratic-Republican - Virginia) 1829-1837 [3]
8. Joseph Ritner (Anti-Masonic - Pennsylvania) 1837-1839 [4]
9. John Quincy Adams (Anti-Masonic/Whig - Massachusetts) 1839-1845
10. Horace Mann (Whig- Massachusetts) 1845-1849 [5]
11. Winfield Scott (Whig- New Jersey) 1849-1853
12. William King (Republican - Alabama) 1853 [6]
13. Lewis Cass (Republican - Michigan) 1853-1857 [7]
14. John Douglas (Republican/Liberty - Jefferson) 1857-1859 [8][9]
15. Edward Fremont (Liberty - California) 1859-1865 [10]
16. William Sherman (Liberty -Ohio) 1865-1881[11]
17. James G. Blaine (Liberty - Maine) 1881-1889 [12]
18. Henry G. Davis (Liberty - Allegheny) 1889-1897 [13]
19. Charles A. Blanchard (Anti-Masonic - Jefferson) 1897-1901 [14]
20. Joshua Williams (America First/ Anti-Masonic -Delaware) 1901-1905 [15]
21. Eugene V. Debs (Labor - Indiana) 1905-1913 [16]
22. James Clark (Liberty - New York) 1913-1917 [17]
23. Jurgis Sinclair (Labor - Ohio) 1917-1925 [18]
24. Marion La Follette (Labor - Washington) 1925 [19]
25. Jake Featherston (Labor - Sonora) 1925-1933 [20]
26. John J. Pershing (Liberty [later American Patriot] - US) 1933-1937 [21]
27. Norman Thomas (Labor - Ohio) 1937-1941
28. H. Styles Bridges (New Liberty - New Hampshire) 1941-1949 [22]
29. Walter Reuther (Labor - Michigan) 1949-1953
30. Douglas MacArthur (American Patriot - Arkansas) 1953-1961
31. Estes Kefauver (Labor - Tennessee) 1961-1965 [23]
32. Gregory Peck (Labor - California) 1965-1973 [24]
33. Ronald Reagan (American Patriot - California) 1973-1981 [25]
34. James R. Schlesinger (American Patriot - Virginia) 1981-1985
35. Ludlow Dawkins (American Patriot - Ozark) 1985-1989
36. David Ladefoged (Labor - Massachusetts) 1989-1997 [26]
37. Carey P. Peck (Labor - Columbia*) 1997-2005[27]
38. Sarah Palin (American Patriot - Alaska) 2005-2013[28]

[1] First president to die in office prompting a minor constitutional crisis. He was found dead at his desk the morning after his 'Bastion of Liberty' address to Congress. Widely believed to have suffered a heart attack.
[2] Despite much opposition, John Adams became the first three term president. Following the backlash of his final term, Adams retired from politics and died six years later.
[3] Attempted to introduce an ammendment into the US Constitution which would prevent any President from serving more than two terms. The proposal barely failed. While he left office with a fairly high approval rating, his rule also solidified resentment toward Virginia for "creating a monopoly on the Presidency". Died almost immediately after his departure.
[4] First President to be impeached, in 1839, when Congress found his controversial attempts to outlaw Freemasonry unconstitutional.
[5] Known mainly for overhauling the US Educational system. Did not run for re-election due to health issues.
[6] Came into office through a surge in Republican (formerly Democratic-Republican) popularity after over a decade of Whig rule. King died after barely a month in office from tuberculosis.
[7] Responsible for the Cass Doctrine, in which voters in territories, rather than Congress, determined whether to ban or legalize slavery. While the doctrine ultimately passed, his popularity was significantly diminished in the effort.
[8] The Douglas Presidency is not so notable for what it accomplished, but the circumstances that immediately preceded it. Although a rift had been occuring between the northern bloc of the Republican Party and the southern bloc, it took the Cass Doctrine for that division to become apparent. Consequently, over the course of the Cass administration an increasing number of northern Republicans chose to remove themselves from the organization and join the newly founded Liberty Party along with several of the more moderate Whigs. The Republican Party's problems were further confounded by the rise of the America First Party, a nativist, anti-immigration, "anti-Papist" group, which threatened to split their vote. When election day did arrive, no one group found themselves with the necessary number of electoral votes resulting in the election being thrown to the Congress. After several weeks of debates, backroom negotiations and Parliamentary tricks the House of Representatives selected John Douglas of the Republican Party as President. The Senate remained deadlocked for another month before selecting Edward Frémont of the Liberty Party as Vice President.
[9] With Douglas dying in 1859 the Republican Party collapsed. Several prominent senators defected into the Liberty Party, bolstering their ranks with support. Likewise several defected into the democratic parties in the south. This would result in John C Fremont becoming the new President of the United States. Unfortunately upon his ascension he would use his agenda to promote emancipation. This would only lead to an eventual conflict with the slave owning states. By the end of his first year in office many of the southern states would have begun to secede from the Union.
[10] The election of 1860 was no sure thing. The United States had become divided into sectional politics, with several parties vying for power. Although the Liberty Party had been bolstered by former senators and congressmen from the now-defunct Republican party. Fremont retained a diverse but secure following from the northern states. He was challenged by the America First Party, whose candidate would be Millard Fillmore of New York. There would also be lesser candidates such as the Southern Democratic Party who would advocate Jefferson Davis as President. The final party would be the National Party. Still a small, yet relatively unknown nor recognized party, this group would make significant inroads against their contenders. They nominated William Seward. Unfortunately the National Party and the America First Party would be unable to make an absolute significant dent against their opponents as the Liberty Party and the Southern Democratic Party dominated the presidential election and primaries for the year. Although the election would be close, it would be the Liberty Party would would carry the election. Yet, upon Fremont's reelection the Southern states seceded to form the Confederate States of America.
[11] Only President to be elected to office for four consecutive terms in office. Descendant of Roger Sherman, William was nominated by the Liberty Party in hopes that his massive popularity in both the Midwest and New England would make the populace forget that the South had separated under their watch. Their hopes proved well founded. An eloquent speaker and dangerously efficient, Sherman quickly rallied the nation behind the war that Fremont had begun declaring that not only were these territories in rebellion but that they deliberately undermined the rights and dignity of the human person. Introduced several amendments into the US Constitution, mainly aimed at dismantling the practice of slavery within the United States. Although they were unable to unseat him many decried him as little better than the slavers he fought due to his suspension of habeas corpus and the propaganda circulated by his administration. The war ended in 1865 with the capture of Veracruz, the last Confederate holdout. Although he faced large opposition within the party for choosing to run for a fourth term when the war had already ended, he was able to justify his rule under the pretenses of ensuring the reorganization and re-education of the South. Today is viewed as a harsh, but overall very good President. He is, however, largely reviled in some parts of the South.
[12] Continued the "Reconstruction" of the south after the war. Was not shy about using military force to ensure the voting rights and freedoms of african-americans in the south which earned him the scorn of many southerners. His administration saw a re-engagement of the United States on the world stage, especially in Latin America and the South Pacific. Blaine saw the US as the protector and leader of the Western Hemisphere and took steps to ensure this role would be upheld, his actions began what would become known later as American Imperialism.
[13] During the Davis Presidency, a new dimension was added to the politics of post-Civil War America - labor disputes. Following his predecessor's precedent of using federal forces to advance executive initiatives, Davis was active in suppressing strikes and labor uprisings with the military, sometimes even going so far as to replace striking workers with soldiers.
[14] The election of 1896 saw the strange reemergence of the Anti-Masonic Party as a serious political force, which most political commentators hitherto had predicted never to return to power. Charles A. Blanchard was the son of popular pastor and educator Jonathan Blanchard, who ran on a platform of social reform and conservative values. He won every state in the North and three in the south in an unprecedented electoral upset.
[15] Realizing that their popularity in the states was quickly declining, the Anti-Masonic and America First parties united for one last chance at the Presidency. In response to increased immigration from the Ireland, the Italian states and Poland the Williams administration pushed through several pieces of immigration reform that restricted the amount of Catholics the United States would accept into the country. Other pieces of legislation targeting immigrants were passed by the nativist controlled Congress. A massive rebellion occurred in the city of Veracruz in the later half of 1903 in response.
[16] Riding on a wave of popular contempt for the sitting president and his severely fractured base, America duly got its first socialist president in 1905. Though he did manage to introduce modest reforms in public pensions and labor union rights, he failed to persuade the Congress to allow women to vote and frustratingly, the Supreme Court ruled several of his proposed reforms outright unconstitutional.
[17] The Liberty party, the conservative rival to the suddenly popular liberal Labor, eeked out a victory with James Clark who campaigned against further "upsetting" of the American social structure. Many of the achievements Debs had accomplished remained too popular for Clark to challenge outright, but he ensured a lax administration of the many new laws his White House had inherited. Clark failed to gain reelection in 1916.
[18] Managed to convince Congress to grant women the right to vote, resulting in wave of popularity which led to his re-election. Although he was able to defang parts of the Williams' immigration reform instituted a decade prior, Congress lacked the will to repeal the legislation altogether.
[19] Died less than a year in office.
[20] The achievement for which Featherston is most remembered is the final repeal of the Williams era immigration restrictions.
[21] Selected as a throw-away candidate by the Liberty Party, in hopes of increasing support in the 1932 election, Pershing would win by a large margin, surprising many. His policies would take the nation on a decidedly more nationalistic course, causing a schism in the Liberty Party. The result of this would be the New Liberty Party (led by future president Styles Bridges), and the American Patriots Party (APP). Did not run for re-election due to age, and would later support the APP.
[22] Winning in a close election against incumbent President Thomas, and APP Nominee Douglas MacArthur, President Bridges would largely end up focusing most of his Presidency on foreign policy, fighting diplomatic battles with France, and eventually fighting in the Proxy War of 1947.
[23] A member of the centrist branch of the Labor Party, Kefauver approached the economy more moderately than past Labor presidents. He is known as well for his crackdown on organized crime and the growing rate of drug abuse. He did not seek a second term and died shortly after his term ended.
[24] After being elected Governor of California in 1962, former actor Gregory Peck would win the Labor nomination, emerging as a dark horse candidate. His Presidency would be one with long lasting effects, overseeing civil rights for African Americans, and the beginning of a war in Arabia. Peck would remain a hero for the Labor Party for decades to come.
[25] Reagan, another former actor and former governor of California, maintained a healthy rivalry with Peck. Reagan inherited the War in Arabia and expanded it, eventually taking the entire peninsula as American territory and sparking the era of the American Empire.
[26] Reversing the doctrine of large-scale privatization adopted by the APP, Ladefoged oversaw the largest program of nationalization and social spending in over 60 years. Ladefoged's administration is known for tax increases, nationalization of most of the oil fields in American Arabia, and a massive overhaul of healthcare and social security structures. Early on, Ladefoged scaled back international military engagements, but by the end of his term, the United States had troops stationed throughout the world and had become involved in domestic politics especially in the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America.
[27] President Carey Peck, son of former President and actor Gregory Peck, wins the Labor nomination against Vice President Paul Wellstone. His Presidency would oversee a halt to the Age of Imperialism started by President Reagan. American Arabia was broken up into American puppets, and troops stationed around the world began to be brought home.
[28] First Female President. During her 2 terms she completely over hauls President Pecks Policy's and changes the Arabian puppet state into 6 new states and recaptures Veracruz from Mexico that was once held by the confederate states.

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