What would the world be like if Europe, including the Mediterranean was overran by migrations of Steppe peoples. Where would the Europeans go, if anywhere? What would the world look like, even up to now?
The Europeans wouldn't go anywhere. Asiatic steppe nomads, in usual fashion, would just settle down among the people they conquered and more-or-less blend culturally and ethnically with them. Much as the Bulgars and Magyars had. The "Migrations" of Germanic tribes into Europe were really large sections of the tribal aristocracy and the servants and retainers being forced by circumstances to move into the Roman Empire.
In 1100 AD Europe might not have become the colonial power it later became.
TURKS!
KALMYKS!
GOTHS!
FRANKS!
LOMBARDS!
ANGLO-SAXONS!
TATARS!
ARABS!
AZERBAIJANIS!
JAPANESE!
KOREANS!
THAI!
CIRCASSIANS!
What the hell are you on about?
Do think of the Turks as Greeks wearing Fezzes and drinking Coffee?
No, nor have I ever indicated I believe so. But it's not like the Turks of Turkey are primarily descended from steppe dwellers. Genetically, they are more Greek than they are Central Asian, which again indicates they are an example of the upper class being the main mobility of the Migration Age. We're talking genealogy here, not culture.
Yes but in the end they are Turks.
Which means what in regards to anything?
Yes but in the end they are Turks.
They think themselves are Turks, they have identified with the Spirit of the Turkic Peoples.
What in the name of Tsargrad does that (underlined) mean?
What is the Spirit of the Turkic Peoples as distinct from the Spirit of the Slavic Peoples?
Looking at the here and now, from say 1500 AD on if you want to go to the past.
Istanbul is Istanbul as opposed to Tsarigrad.
What would the world be like if Europe, including the Mediterranean was overran by migrations of Steppe peoples. Where would the Europeans go, if anywhere? What would the world look like, even up to now?
Actually, genetically speaking, they are Anatolian. Greek had only supplanted the last of the native Anatolian languages a few centuries before the Turks arrived.No, nor have I ever indicated I believe so. But it's not like the Turks of Turkey are primarily descended from steppe dwellers. Genetically, they are more Greek than they are Central Asian, which again indicates they are an example of the upper class being the main mobility of the Migration Age. We're talking genealogy here, not culture.
No, nor have I ever indicated I believe so. But it's not like the Turks of Turkey are primarily descended from steppe dwellers. Genetically, they are more Greek than they are Central Asian, which again indicates they are an example of the upper class being the main mobility of the Migration Age. We're talking genealogy here, not culture.