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Old August 16th, 2011, 04:16 AM
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In early 1794 the Hébertist deputy Jean-Baptiste Carrier was recalled to Paris after organizing an illegal campaign of revolutionary violence. In protest of this, he and Hébert attempted to incite a revolution in Paris, hoping to force the resignation and execution of the Montagnards the same way they had disposed of the Girondins.

OTL, the attempt fizzled without major violence, followed by Robespierre and St. Just denouncing them and the execution of most of the prominent members. But WI they managed to incite an inssurection and achieve hegemony of the legislature, what would a Hébertist France look like?
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Old August 16th, 2011, 05:34 AM
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Populistic Proto-Sovietism I suppose.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 06:07 AM
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Populistic Proto-Sovietism I suppose.
Sovietism as in worker councils, or the actual USSR?
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Old August 16th, 2011, 06:30 AM
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Sovietism as in worker councils, or the actual USSR?
Sovietism as in it sort of looks like the basics of the early USSR's ideology, control of the economy and means of production/agriculture, militant anti-christianity (and likely religion in general) as a result of the Churches collusion with the previous regime, attacking others fro not being Revolutionary enough etc.
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Old August 16th, 2011, 07:10 AM
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what would a Hébertist France look like?
A bloody experience that would probably end in a Failure and gave an even darker image of the French Revolution.

The Hébertistes were also know as the Enragés (the Rabids) in France because they wished to strenghten the use of the Terror. The Guillotine would probably have been used twice more than it was under Robespierre if Hébert succeeded in taking power. Because of this, I think Hébert would have likely fallen FASTER than Robespierre. Robespierre barely lasted a year after he proclaimed the Terror at a "normal" rate: I can't see Hebert staying in power more than a few months with a stronger Terror.

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Populistic Proto-Sovietism I suppose.
More like Proto-Stalinism in my eyes.

Jean Baptiste Carrier, the man mentionned by King Henry, is one of the darkest figure in the French Revolution. He is mostly known for his actions during the War of Vendée, a Royalist uprising in Anjou & Poitou that lasted from 1793 to 1796. He is more specifically known for his actions in Nantes where, in the years 1793 and 1794, he killed around 10,000 people by having them either guillotined, shot or drowned in the Loire River (the latter being the method he most commonly used). That's a pretty big number for a city like Nantes.
He also denounced some of his colleagues for moderantism: in other words, they weren't radical enough in his eyes! And I'm pretty sure the man heavily supported the Colonnes infernales used by General Turreau in 1794: it was basically armies passing through Vendées with orders to kill and burn all they could find.

With such people in power, the French Revolution would have taken a worse turn...
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