Map Thread VIII

[tnowacki]

Originally Posted by Ares96

The conflict had little to do with economic value. The Germans claimed Danzig and the Corridor because they were ethnically German, because they were considered part of the German patrimony, and most importantly because it split Germany in two, with the only way to get to East Prussia being the ferry service.

I am well aware of that (being half-Polish and half-German). However, the Free City of Danzig was not spanning the full corridor. Even if it came to the Weimar Republic, there would be a corridor. Furthermore, train services going through the corridor untouched were established as early as 1919 in OTL. Danzig hence was more of an prestige object to the Germans who did not want to see this jewel fall in Polish hands. With the emergence of Gdynia as the biggest Polish harbour, however, they were not dependent on Danzig anymore. If Poland had been (economically) stronger, I don't think Berlin would really care about Danzig. Except for, what you already have mentioned, the ethnic majority. But things can change in 30 years.

[Magnificate]

Originally Posted by Beedok

So, as my India concept map has been shut down, here's a map of my debating to reboot Dimension 2. The year is 1919, after 6 years of WWI no one is in that good of shape.

Is that some sort of Saxony I'm seeing?

[Mathuen]

Originally Posted by Martin23230

My MotF entry:

Respects to the BBC, who's style and logo I copied. Oh, and damn you Sky...

No New England? Did we not make the cut this time? Or do we not tend to be a part of this?

[Ares96]

Originally Posted by tnowacki

I am well aware of that (being half-Polish and half-German). However, the Free City of Danzig was not spanning the full corridor. Even if it came to the Weimar Republic, there would be a corridor. Furthermore, train services going through the corridor untouched were established as early as 1919 in OTL. Danzig hence was more of an prestige object to the Germans who did not want to see this jewel fall in Polish hands. With the emergence of Gdynia as the biggest Polish harbour, however, they were not dependent on Danzig anymore. If Poland had been (economically) stronger, I don't think Berlin would really care about Danzig. Except for, what you already have mentioned, the ethnic majority. But things can change in 30 years.

I still don't think the Poles can even attempt to 'buy off' Danzig without sparking a war between the two nations, and that would be really bad for Poland, since they would be seen as the aggressor.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Magnificate

Is that some sort of Saxony I'm seeing?

Germany is falling apart pretty bad at this stage, so yes, there is a vaguely Saxon revolt. Heck, there's even some Prussians who think they might be better off ditching the rest of the empire.

[Æsir]

Originally Posted by Martin23230

My MotF entry:

Respects to the BBC, who's style and logo I copied. Oh, and damn you Sky...

Absolutely top notch map. Although now I'm really curious about the political history of this world, and in (hint hint) seeing a full political map of it.

And, another map from the world of the latest "Famous People in Alternate Realities" thread. I really need to get more ideas... Kenyan part of the map was edited from an SVG map of that country's provinces made by Wikimedia Commons member MesserWoland. The Ugandan part was traced from a map of that country's districts by Slomox of that same site. The Zanzibar part of the map was traced from a Google Maps screenshot. All done in Inkscape.

The Federation of East Africa was granted independence by the British Imperial Federation in 1972, after the tireless work of men like Barack Obama Sr, Clinton John Dawkins (Whose son, C. Richard Dawkins, would later be Prime Minister), Jaramogo Oginga Odinga, and Masinde Muliro, the young country's first Prime Minister, convinced the imperial government that the region was ready for self government. The Federation united the British Protectorates of Kenya and Uganda and the Colony of Kenya, and was divided into eight Provinces and five Indigenous Kingships, which retained their traditional monarchs and a greater degree of autonomy than the Provinces. A few years later, the Sultanate of Zanzibar joined as the sixth Kingship.

Today, the Federation of East Africa is one of Sub-Saharan Africa's richest and most developed countries, and was the second Sub-Saharan African partner of OAME (The Organization of Advanced Market Economies) after South Africa, joining in 2000, although it has not yet graduated to full member status, which is reserved for developed countries. The country has numerous popular tourist destinations, including Africa's second highest mountain, Mount Kenya, numerous wildlife reserves, and the Indian Ocean beaches of Zanzibar and the Coast Province, Africa's most productive agricultural industry, producing cashews, coconuts, coffee, corn, cotton, pineapples, sisal, sugarcane, sweet potatoes, and teas, large reserves of coal, cobalt, copper, crude oil, fluorspar, gold, limestone, natural gas, salt, and soda ash, and a strong light manufacturing sector including automobile production and food processing.

The Federation has a highly diverse population of 53 million people, with major ethnic groups including Arabs, British, Ganda, Kalenjin, Kikuyu, Luhya, Luo, Nkole, Soga, and South Asians. English and Swahili are official languages at the federal level, but more than eighty languages are spoken in the country and in the Ugandan Kingships the main local languages are official at the provincial level. Nairobi in Aberdare Province is the capital and largest city, with nearly four million residents and is the commercial and cultural capital of eastern Africa.

I feel I'm getting better technically, but in terms of originality and style I'm not imaginative enough.

[Revolutionary Todyo]

Originally Posted by Beedok

So, as my India concept map has been shut down, here's a map of my debating to reboot Dimension 2. The year is 1919, after 6 years of WWI no one is in that good of shape.

What's going on in Ireland? Did the ICA expand hugely before the Rising, or is Marxisn just generally more popular?

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Todyo1798

What's going on in Ireland? Did the ICA expand hugely before the Rising, or is Marxisn just generally more popular?

The Communists were the most organised, and Britain is in a bad way thanks to a 50% long great war.

[Iserlohn]

Originally Posted by Æsir

Absolutely top notch map. Although now I'm really curious about the political history of this world, and in (hint hint) seeing a full political map of it.

And, another map from the world of the latest "Famous People in Alternate Realities" thread. I really need to get more ideas... Kenyan part of the map was edited from an SVG map of that country's provinces made by Wikimedia Commons member MesserWoland. The Ugandan part was traced from a map of that country's districts by Slomox of that same site. The Zanzibar part of the map was traced from a Google Maps screenshot. All done in Inkscape.


I feel I'm getting better technically, but in terms of originality and style I'm not imaginative enough.

Simply utopian! And I like the simplicity of the style, could use a frame (of some sorts, no particular vision in mind) though.

[Mathuen]

Originally Posted by Æsir

Absolutely top notch map. Although now I'm really curious about the political history of this world, and in (hint hint) seeing a full political map of it.

This! So much this!

[Revolutionary Todyo]

Originally Posted by Beedok

The Communists were the most organised, and Britain is in a bad way thanks to a 50% long great war.

But they were always smaller IRL. Secterianism, religious dominance and rampant futuristic-esque nationalism kinda stunted their growth.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Todyo1798

But they were always smaller IRL. Secterianism, religious dominance and rampant futuristic-esque nationalism kinda stunted their growth.

Well Communism is also doing better on the mainland, so that helps, but I suppose I can change that.

[Mathuen]

Æsir: Seeing as I have a thing for East Africa I have to say that your map and description helped make my day.

[Revolutionary Todyo]

Originally Posted by Beedok

Well Communism is also doing better on the mainland, so that helps, but I suppose I can change that.

No no keep it, I like Irish Communism, especially when it seems to be influencing Ulster Presbyterians

[theDisciple]

A partially completed map of 1400 in which the Anglo Saxons beat the Normans off.

[ctesiphon]

Originally Posted by Ares96

The conflict had little to do with economic value. The Germans claimed Danzig and the Corridor because they were ethnically German, because they were considered part of the German patrimony, and most importantly because it split Germany in two, with the only way to get to East Prussia being the ferry service.

Once again, the Corridor was NOT ethnically German.

[jmberry]

Originally Posted by antiquus

A partially completed map of 1400 in which the Anglo Saxons beat the Normans off.

Q:

Why did England expand into Norway for no discernable reason?
Why does Scotland have Iceland, Ulster, and Greenland?
What's with the random Burgundy that holds little of historic Burgundy?
How could the Saxons winning lead to a Roman victory at Manzikert?
For that matter, why have the Byzantines expanded in any random direction?
Why are the Moors still running Spain?
Why has Castille expanded into Aragon, of all directions?
What is with the Random colors between France and Poland?
Why has Sweden taken COPENHAGEN!?

[Ares96]

Originally Posted by ctesiphon

Once again, the Corridor was NOT ethnically German.

Well, not when it was the Corridor, no. Before WWI, the area was, but after the Treaty of Versailles the Germans left in large numbers, leaving the Poles and Kashubians with the land.

[ctesiphon]

Originally Posted by Ares96

Well, not when it was the Corridor, no. Before WWI, the area was, but after the Treaty of Versailles the Germans left in large numbers, leaving the Poles and Kashubians with the land.

Feel free to cite, because the German census says otherwise.

[wtw]

Originally Posted by oddboy

I found this map really interesting (Thanks Max Sinister!) so I went about finding a HQ version in the original paper (p.9) as well as more info on it. To clarify, Figure 1a is a 1959 ethnolinguistic map and 1b is with 2000 borders overlaid. Sharing for others who might want the higher quality as well.

And that is why Africa in the long term is in so much trouble, these countries that exist now are little empires and when climate change or any of the current potential cause occur watch them fall apart.