Map Thread VIII

[TurkishCapybara]

Originally Posted by DrTron

Thank you for helping.

1. Manchu-Sibir is China-Siberia and it didnt actually colonize it, just laid claim to the place.
2. Colonies in Indochina? India, a strong nation, would object. Added puppets
3. This is 1890, so no native buffer states.
4. Released Ethiopia.
5. Yugoslavia is the Serbian Empire. It conquered that a long time ago...
6. Tibet is supported by India against China.
7. There is more nations in this map.

Noboby would or could conquer Bhutan.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by TurkishCapybara

Noboby would or could conquer Bhutan.

Bhutan never existed.

[Revolutionary Todyo]

Anyone know why Abby caused so much shit with her maps in the first place? I mean yes, at the start they were appalling, but people were still getting testy when she was posting noob level maps that weren't great but weren't awful.

Was it just the sheer quantity of her maps, or was it just her refusal to listen to advice?

Also I'm trying to work out what makes a map good. So far it seems to come down to effects, or detail, the truly epic maps having both.
And yet people who just post the average basemap with a few new countries can get more attention than someone who's posted a rather nice map with all the trimmings (not looking at Tron and Beedok here )

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Todyo1798

Anyone know why Abby caused so much shit with her maps in the first place? I mean yes, at the start they were appalling, but people were still getting testy when she was posting noob level maps that weren't great but weren't awful.

Was it just the sheer quantity of her maps, or was it just her refusal to listen to advice?

Also I'm trying to work out what makes a map good. So far it seems to come down to effects, or detail, the truly epic maps having both.
And yet people who just post the average basemap with a few new countries can get more attention than someone who's posted a rather nice map with all the trimmings (not looking at Tron and Beedok here )

I pretty much stopped spamming maps with little change.

[TurkishCapybara]

Originally Posted by DrTron

Bhutan never existed.

Is there A Dali Lama? If there is a Dali Lama, there is a Bhutan.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by TurkishCapybara

Is there A Dali Lama? If there is a Dali Lama, there is a Bhutan.

There is a Dalai Lama, but Ngawang Namgyal is butterflied.

[Revolutionary Todyo]

Originally Posted by DrTron

I pretty much stopped spamming maps with little change.

Yes and I thank you for that, you were never at Abby levels with your series.
But still, your current project has gotten a lot of attention, and to be perfectly blunt it's a coloured in basemap of über-randomness.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Todyo1798

Yes and I thank you for that, you were never at Abby levels with your series.
But still, your current project has gotten a lot of attention, and to be perfectly blunt it's a coloured in basemap of über-randomness.

I have justifications for everything on that map.

[Revolutionary Todyo]

Originally Posted by DrTron

I have justifications for everything on that map.

I'm sure you do, but what I was saying is that as maps go it's not got a lot of detail, and it's not been made fancy with any effects and such. Yet it got a lot of attention.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Todyo1798

I'm sure you do, but what I was saying is that as maps go it's not got a lot of detail, and it's not been made fancy with any effects and such. Yet it got a lot of attention.

Alright. Thank you.

[Revolutionary Todyo]

Originally Posted by DrTron

Alright. Thank you.

That's not a compliment, it's a query....ah screw this, I'n tired and I have a driving test to fail tomorrow.

[Beedok]

So, here's a sequel to a map I put up some time ago.

[Kaiphranos]

Originally Posted by Beedok

So, here's a sequel to a map I put up some time ago.

Not necessarily a real comment on this particular map, but since this is one example: I feel like in general I've been seeing more divided Libyas on maps recently. I wonder why that could be?

(Speaking of which, are those Polish Cyrenaica and Somalia I see, or is it just a coincidentally similar color?)

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Kaiphranos

Not necessarily a real comment on this particular map, but since this is one example: I feel like in general I've been seeing more divided Libyas on maps recently. I wonder why that could be?

(Speaking of which, are those Polish Cyrenaica and Somalia I see, or is it just a coincidentally similar color?)

Libya is divided by how the Italians had it (I think), though I changed the south a little. Somalia is also Italian.

[Kaiphranos]

Originally Posted by Beedok

Libya is divided by how the Italians had it (I think), though I changed the south a little. Somalia is also Italian.

Ah, OK. Now I see--those are gray internal-type borders, so Cyrenaica and the other bits of Somalia are more like territories, which I guess makes sense. Still, maybe it would be a good idea to darken them up a bit?

[Lascupa0788]

He used the same colour as on the main official OTL basemap.

[Troyer IV]

Originally Posted by DrTron

Thank you for helping.

1. Manchu-Sibir is China-Siberia and it didnt actually colonize it, just laid claim to the place.
2. Colonies in Indochina? India, a strong nation, would object. Added puppets
3. This is 1890, so no native buffer states.
4. Released Ethiopia.
5. Yugoslavia is the Serbian Empire. It conquered that a long time ago...
6. Tibet is supported by India against China.
7. There is more nations in this map.

Fair enough - simply trying to get some more detail while also possibly getting you to consider some things which you might not have otherwise, that's all.

1. Claims might be better illustrated with vertical lines, but it's your call no worry.
2. Not necessarily European colonies, though I do see that France was able to snag quite a lot from under their noses - and the Sino-state. What I mean is this: That area has a lot of historical movements, particularly trade via the Malay peninsula back and forth. Having the Byzantines a powerhouse, though... does this butterfly Islam or were they just conquered? This could affect _quite_ a lot in SE Asia (and Persia-India border regions - that is, if Persia is Islamic).

For example, perhaps the Hindus/Sinos don't want to delve into every little minor kingdom which is in place, perhaps they want to puppetize some, while also snagging some directly-ruled realestate. This sort of back and forth could eventually lead to openings where outsiders (such as the French or others) getting involved during Exploration/Colonization. A lot would depend on the tech level/timeframe of the expansions.

For example, when did India unite? Could they have been gunboated by superior European technology, at least into giving concessions or otherwise contesting their overseas territories/puppets? Likewise, what kind of state is this Chinese powerhouse? Did they ever have any machinations in Dai Viet or were they far more interested in overseas territories?

Nevermind religion for a minute or how the states built themselves, but the Japanese are natural allies of the Hindus by this point. I suppose then that the Hindus and French are therefore friends of convenience. Or perhaps so. I don't see the Korean peninsula or the open waters between the Kuriles and the Philippines being calm for any length of time - as well as the much-to-be-contested Malacca strait area. Just something to think about.

3. No native buffer states... with Japanese introduction into the region - again, timeframe is a factor - the natives of this region could be either stronger or weaker. And as the Euros and Japs pressed into the region from both sides and conflicts arose, then it is likely the natives could/would be pushed into one corner or another. Again, just a thought.
4. Interesting... Odd, but interesting. A veritable Byzantine client state since they are (likely to be) Orthodox Christian?
5. Borders on the east might be a tad too convergent, but alright. Seems fine. The Bulgars, though, and their northern... Hun neighbors? have similar colors - are they in some sort of union or is that just coincidence?
6. Turning Tibet into Victorian Britain's Afghanistan?
7. Mmk. Still think too few, but that's just me.

Looking forward to more.

EDIT: Also, I think the title is lacking, but then I'm not great with titles myself...

[Kaiphranos]

Originally Posted by Lascupa0788

He used the same colour as on the main official OTL basemap.

Man, it is just not my night.

[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

Originally Posted by Kaiphranos

Man, it is just not my night.

Maybe you need a monitor adjustment, though Beedok did use the incorrect colour for Poland. The one he used is only used when a Polish state exists amidst other Polish states (like a Polish cultural circle in the Middle Ages) and is dominant to the others. There is a better colour for Poland.

But what you're looking at isn't territories, it's protectorates within the colony - you know, native states. Dark grey separates autnomous entities, light grey separates states and territories.

[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

Originally Posted by Troyer IV

And... go!

Just as an FYI - the border between Califernia and Japanese Alaska is completely reasonable. Look at the OTL US borders - straight lines everywhere.

As for your complaints about straight lines in the Sahara desert...what do you propose colonial powers base those borders on? Sand dunes? Seriously, look at OTL maps, it's not that unrealistic.

Only objection I have to Tron's map is the general level of space-filling she has done.