Queen Elizabeth II assassinated in Ireland

[Blue Sun]

The queen makes the first visit to Ireland since the country's independance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_E...lic_of_Ireland).. as she makes her historic speech - suddenely the monarch falls over dead as blood runs from an opening in her forehead, days later the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_IRA claim responsibility as a foreign head of state of an invader has been assasinated as a casuality of war by a patriotic sniper. Discuss the consequences.

[Stanton49]

The Irish government uses everything at its disposal to put a foot so far up the backside of the Real IRA that they can't breathe again. Sinn Fein and the Good Friday signers of the rest of the IRA do everything they can to make sure they are seen to be helpful.

[reformedcpmuser]

The ATL assassination of ER II would be disastrous for an Ireland that is currently suffering under austerity. Despite any punishment that the Irish government could inflict on the "real IRA", British outrage at Ireland would destroy any chance of Westminster helping the Irish out of their financial crisis.

Many Irish would have much greater difficulty securing work in Britain. Many Irish would thus have a harder time securing employment period. Ireland would sink deeper into recession all because a fanatical group decided to take out the Queen rather than aid their country by refraining from lethal violence.

[Boydfish]

Not only would the reaction from the UK be dramatic, Her Majesty's Loyal Subjects around the world would be less than philosophical. She is a beloved head of state to several countries, including Canada. The RIRA, like the IRA before it, rely heavily on fund raising in North America. Not only would the Irish government step on the neck of the trigger pullers, the fund raisers could expect to become legitimate targets of the state.

[The Vet]

do the IRA splinter groups get that much public support in America? I know Teddy Kennedy turned against Sinn Fein/PIRA before he died

[Alex Richards]

There'll be blood on the streets of Belfast.

Expect mass arrests of anyone suspected of being a member of the RIRA, partially to liquidate the organisation, partially to prove to any would be loyalist paramilitaries that they aren't needed, and partially for the protection of the suspects.

Britain sees the biggest outpouring of national grief since Princess Di's death. Charles gets a new bout of sympathy, as do the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge (this comes less than a month after their wedding). And out goes any chance of the Duke getting that couple of years of relatively normal life as well.

[Lesychan]

1914 something like this was the start of ww1

[Nymain1]

Originally Posted by Lesychan

1914 something like this was the start of ww1

Yes, but we don't quite have the system of alliances and treaties that led to that.

Personally think that Ireland is going to get a tough time ahead, with its financial troubles, Northern Ireland probably gets more polarised and issues between Stormont, Westminster and Dublin all get put under the spotlight.

RIRA probably gets stamped upon by Ireland, with full "co-operation" (see retribution) from MI6, heads get kicked in, probably some bad things happen (trigger happy operatives) and strain relations more. The Killer will either be found very quickly and brought to trial or becomes then next OBL for a while...

[ahunter951]

The intention of any assassination would be to break the peace process and return to the tit for tat killings and sectarianism of the previous 40 years. The reality I think would be rather different. The Shinners have tasted political power and they aren't going to throw that away to direct rule, internment etc. They have political ambitions on both sides of the border and will not wish to be associated with such an atrocity. There would be condemnation from SF and behind the scenes intel assistance to the Irish anti terrorist unit and MI6. No doubt there would be a "Gibraltar moment" at some deserted farmhouse for the heads of the RIRA, continuity IRA going forward. The queen is a symbol of the crown she is not a decision maker in the way the prime minister is. The killing of Louis Mountbatten in 1979 greatly affected NORAID donations for a significant period afterwards. The assassination of an 85 year old lady who has given her life in service to her country would not achieve the desired objective. There would be united condemnation of the atrocity and a hunt for the killer and conspirators who would find not only no support from the population on either side of the border but active assistance to the authorities in their apprehension and conviction.

[WillO]

Originally Posted by reformedcpmuser

The ATL assassination of ER II would be disastrous for an Ireland that is currently suffering under austerity. Despite any punishment that the Irish government could inflict on the "real IRA", British outrage at Ireland would destroy any chance of Westminster helping the Irish out of their financial crisis.

Many Irish would have much greater difficulty securing work in Britain. Many Irish would thus have a harder time securing employment period. Ireland would sink deeper into recession all because a fanatical group decided to take out the Queen rather than aid their country by refraining from lethal violence.

not likely, the UK is not that much better off than Ireland and the EU is already pretty pissed off at cameron, the UN, the EU and the US would also react against any measures that the british would take agains people of Irish decent rightfully seeing at as a racist reaction. Besides in the end the British army assasinated alot more people than the IRA ever did so the UK could hardly claim a moral high ground especially if the Irish republic was doing everything to bring those responsible to justice

[Enigmajones]

The Irish work very hard with British investigators and work closely with the military to catch the culprits. I don't see how the British would be angry with Ireland. If anyone knows about the atrocities the RIRA perpetrate, it would be the British civilian community.

[Pangur]

The reaction would be very quick and very brutal. The Real IRA have next to no support anyway so they would not be that hard to find and remove from society I would give that organisation 48 hours tops

[Noravea]

I thought I was in chat for a second and got scared.

[black angel]

Originally Posted by WillO

not likely, the UK is not that much better off than Ireland and the EU is already pretty pissed off at cameron, the UN, the EU and the US would also react against any measures that the british would take agains people of Irish decent rightfully seeing at as a racist reaction. Besides in the end the British army assasinated alot more people than the IRA ever did so the UK could hardly claim a moral high ground especially if the Irish republic was doing everything to bring those responsible to justice

first off the Irish aren't a Race so you can not be Racist against them

the EU, UN and US have much bigger fish to fry than the personal tastes of British shop keepers in foreign workers

the IRA during the Troubles killed about 2,000 Civilians, the British killed about 300 Republican terrorist, 2,000 is the bigger number.


any way the Death of the Queen would be the end for what ever Republicanism was left SF would suffer big set backs, terrorists groups would be hunted like dogs, and a chill would fall between the UK and Ireland as Brits forever thing of Ireland as "the place the Queen was killed"

[hairysamarian]

Originally Posted by black angel

first off the Irish aren't a Race

Now, THIS I need to hear explained.

[black angel]

Originally Posted by hairysamarian

Now, THIS I need to hear explained.

a Race is a skin color, the Irish are White, Irish is both a Nationality (citizens of the Republic of Ireland) and an Ethnicity (persons self identified as Irish) but it is not a race, you can discriminate against the Irish (ether national or ethnic) but thats not racist (it's still morally wrong, just not racist)

[wormyguy]

Well considering as late as 70-80 years ago quite a few people actually didn't consider the Irish to be "white" ...

(Also your rather odd definition of race would make quite a few East Asians "white").

[black angel]

Originally Posted by wormyguy

Well considering as late as 70-80 years ago quite a few people actually didn't consider the Irish to be "white" ...

(Also your rather odd definition of race would make quite a few East Asians "white").

personal I dislike race all together, its really an American idea that works very poorly outside of the states, it basically says that because I have a skin tone some what like a Russian we have something in common (at lest some what more than me a black person)

also in the American view folks from East Asia are "Asians"

[WillO]

Originally Posted by black angel

first off the Irish aren't a Race so you can not be Racist against them

the EU, UN and US have much bigger fish to fry than the personal tastes of British shop keepers in foreign workers

the IRA during the Troubles killed about 2,000 Civilians, the British killed about 300 Republican terrorist, 2,000 is the bigger number.


any way the Death of the Queen would be the end for what ever Republicanism was left SF would suffer big set backs, terrorists groups would be hunted like dogs, and a chill would fall between the UK and Ireland as Brits forever thing of Ireland as "the place the Queen was killed"

The Irish are a race as we define in modern times, also you need to do some serious research because your numbers are laughable are you trying to claim that british soldiers didnt kill any civilians in Northern Ireland

[black angel]

Originally Posted by WillO

The Irish are a race as we define in modern times, also you need to do some serious research because your numbers are laughable are you trying to claim that british soldiers didnt kill any civilians in Northern Ireland

I didn't claim they never killed civilians, all I'm claiming is the IRA killed way way way like 1000X more