París no és digne de la massa.

[kasumigenx]

Note: in english it is Paris is not worth the mass..

Introduction:
In the present, a protestant state called Aquitaine exists and it's boundaries are the Loire river,Pyrenees and the Ebro river, the official language is Northern Occitan or high occitan particularly based on the dialect of Limoges but Southern Occitan and Gascon variant also exists in this state and Basque.

The colonization of the new world was delayed because Spain had many land disputes and the war on counter reformation made them very busy, while France is a part of a state with French speakers and Flemish speakers, both Britain and Spain cannot carve a big empire because of their land disputes.

Prussia does not unite Germany nor Italy is united only the northern part of it is united.

[Janprimus]

Aquitaine? I thought it was a surviving kingdom of Navarra, but maybe it turned into republic renamed Aquitaine?

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Janprimus

Aquitaine? I thought it was a surviving kingdom of Navarra, but maybe it turned into republic renamed Aquitaine?

Aquitaine secedes from France completely with a bourbon ruler of Navarre-Aragon which has protestant being the king of Aquitaine and becomes a lutheran occitan state ruled by the bourbons. while Provence is catholic, Occitania is similar to OTL Yugoslavia in my TL same people divided by religion.

[pompejus]

Originally Posted by kasumigenx

Aquitaine secedes from France completely with a bourbon ruler of Navarre-Aragon which has protestant being the king of Aquitaine and becomes a lutheran occitan state ruled by the bourbons. while Provence is catholic, Occitania is similar to OTL Yugoslavia in my TL same people divided by religion.

Lutheran? I though the main form of protestantism in southern France was Calvinism.

[Janprimus]

Originally Posted by kasumigenx

Aquitaine secedes from France completely with a bourbon ruler of Navarre-Aragon which has protestant being the king of Aquitaine and becomes a lutheran occitan state ruled by the bourbons. while Provence is catholic, Occitania is similar to OTL Yugoslavia in my TL same people divided by religion.

Still wouldn't this state, like Prussia IOTL, be named after the main royal title of their ruler? Changing religion didn't change the name of a state (sometimes a titular promotion did, like the elector of Brandenburg becoming king in (and later of) Prussia (at first Brandenburg was more important than ducal Prussia, but once Prussia became a kingdom this relation started to change)).

[Ofaloaf]

Originally Posted by pompejus

Lutheran? I though the main form of protestantism in southern France was Calvinism.

Ayup. The Huguenots were the foundation of the Reformed Church in France.

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Janprimus

Still wouldn't this state, like Prussia IOTL, be named after the main royal title of their ruler? Changing religion didn't change the name of a state (sometimes a titular promotion did, like the elector of Brandenburg becoming king in (and later of) Prussia (at first Brandenburg was more important than ducal Prussia, but once Prussia became a kingdom this relation started to change).

many of the lands of Navarre and Aragon were lost to spain in my TL before aquitaine secedes.


Actually, the POD of my TL is Don Juan of Aragon surviving...

[Janprimus]

Originally Posted by kasumigenx

many of the lands of Navarre and Aragon were lost to spain in my TL before aquitaine secedes.


Actually, the POD of my TL is Don Juan of Aragon surviving...

Well that doesn't have to affect the title of the ruler of a territory; for instance the duchy of Saxony has moved through the Holy Roman Empire, it started in the area of modern day State of Lower Saxony and ended in the modern day state of Saxony.

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Janprimus

Well that doesn't have to affect the title of the ruler of a territory; for instance the duchy of Saxony has moved through the Holy Roman Empire, its started in the area of modern day State of Lower Saxony and ended in the modern day state of Saxony.

I think as a kingdom it will be named Navarre...

[Janprimus]

Originally Posted by kasumigenx

I think as a kingdom it will be named Navarre...

In another thread I have admitted that spending so many posts about this point, might be a bit nitpicky.

Anyway I assume that ITL France is harder and longer hit by wars of religion like the HRE IOTL (which might face similar problems TTL)?

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Janprimus

In another thread I have admitted that spending so many posts about this point, might be a bit nitpicky.

Anyway I assume that ITL France is harder and longer hit by wars of religion like the HRE IOTL (which my face similar problems TTL)?

I think Aquitaine is a better name back to the original.

[kasumigenx]

POD
The son of Germaine de Foix and Ferdinand of Aragon named Juan survives to adulthood and marries the daughter of Catherine, Anna De Foix only one of their children, daughter survives named Anne.
The power of the Habsburgs is lessened because of what happened and
Louis III sired a heir from Jeanne of France named Louis IV that reigned for 60 years and sires many sons with Anne De Bretagne named Philippe, Louis, Charles, Robert and Charles, Philippe becomes the king of France after the Sixty years of reign of his father, he would also have many children, Louis Richard, Charles and Margaret, Louis Richard is married to Elisabeth Tudor while Charles was married to Mary Stuart, Mary Tudor married King Philip of Spain.
Anna De Aragon is married to Antoine I de Bourbon and have a child named Philippe Henri de Bourbon who split his realms in Aquitaine from France whom he inherited from his mother and his father and became the King of Aragon and Navarre, he was married to Margareth of France, whom he has two children named Henry and Anna, Henri-Philippe declared himself as the Duke of Aquitaine and supported the Huguenots which caused Aquitaine to secede from France completely with Loire as the border and declares Calvinism as the religion of Aquitaine,Navarre and Aragon which the pope saw as a threat.

[Cèsar de Quart]

"París no és digne de la massa".

I looks like Catalan, but it makes no sense. "Mass" in Catalan is "missa", in the sense of religious ceremony.

The right sentence would be "París no val una missa".

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Cèsar de Quart

"París no és digne de la massa".

I looks like Catalan, but it makes no sense. "Mass" in Catalan is "missa", in the sense of religious ceremony.

The right sentence would be "París no val una missa".

Thanks you for the tip.