Could Russia Have Become Anything Else Apart From Communist?

[DAv]

Just a thought but I do wonder if there's any other ideology that Russia could have turned to rather than Communism in terms of a general Revolution like we had in OTL. What POD('s) would we need to get a Revolution where some other ideology come to the fore? Syndacalism or Anarchism perhaps? Is there anyway we could get Russia collapsing into a state (Or states) that have opposing ideologies in comparison to Communism that we got OTL?

[Anaxagoras]

Originally Posted by DAv

Syndacalism or Anarchism perhaps?

No. Just no.

[Alexius I Kommenos]

Yeah a constitutional monarchy eventually, had htis guy stayed in power
Pyotr Stolypin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Stolypin
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSstolypin.htm

Just have Alexay die, let this guys reforms get passed eventually you see a constiutional monarchy where the monarch holds executive powers.

[Alexius I Kommenos]

Oh shit..... I did not read the OP completly, what you re asking for is quiet simple to achieve Just have the whites win the war against commies and you have a warlord type russia split into many states... So basically a Russia screw and German wank...

[Cuāuhtemōc]

Fascist maybe. Sort of like Italy.

A constitutional monarchy is highly unlikely.

[wolf_brother]

Originally Posted by Anaxagoras

No. Just no.

Well thank you for that well-reasoned argument, with cited sources even

Constitutional monarchy or Kerenskyite Republic would be the most likely outcomes; though it all depends on what the exact POD is.

EDIT: As Ringo says some sort of 'All Russias' soft pseudo-fascism might be possible as well.

[Alexius I Kommenos]

Originally Posted by Ringo Starr

Fascist maybe. Sort of like Italy.

A constitutional monarchy is highly unlikely.

Not really this guy stolypin literally had the Tsar at his beck and call, he managed to banish rasputin and passed all his laws He also almost complelty eradicated the commies from RUssia So had he remained in power just have Alexay die and the royal family distraught. Stolypin becomes the Tsars faithful aid. Thus you have a russia with a constiutional monarchy because of the DUma which eventually gets more power because Stolypin eventually becomes friends with Nicolas. IOt also helped that this guy had major support from such influential people like the Prince who murdered Rasputin aka one of the richest men in Russia, and he was completly idolized and loved by the people

[DAv]

Originally Posted by Anaxagoras

No. Just no.

C'mon! An Anarchist Russia! You know you want too...

Just have the whites win the war against commies and you have a warlord type russia split into many states...

Well for a TL I was developing I had hoped for a unified, extremist Russia but one collapsed into Warlordism is certainly interesting. How many states would there likely to be and how would they look do you reckon?

[tqm111]

It could've very easily skipped into something like it has now, rule by a strong man, autocracy without the czar.

[Anaxagoras]

Originally Posted by DAv

C'mon! An Anarchist Russia! You know you want too...

Yeah, not so much.

[Alexius I Kommenos]

Originally Posted by DAv

C'mon! An Anarchist Russia! You know you want too...



Well for a TL I was developing I had hoped for a unified, extremist Russia but one collapsed into Warlordism is certainly interesting. How many states would there likely to be and how would they look do you reckon?

A lot one state for every single Feberal who went against each other, I expect at least 10 states leading to a German wank, why No strong Russia means France is officially ****ed when it faces off against Germany with No russia, Expect a stalemate beetween UK and Germany.....

[John Fredrick Parker]

I've wondered myself what kinds of prospects Russia had for becoming a theocracy...

(not as a result of OTL Revolution, obviously, but maybe with the Tsars collapsing circa 1950?)

[Aranfan]

Originally Posted by Anaxagoras

Yeah, not so much.

Actually, if you can kill Lenin and keep the February Revolution on track, then Anarchist Russia is a solid possibility. Without Lenin to keep the party machine from squandering the opportunities then the Bolsheviks would be extremely unlikely to get the commanding majorities in the Soviets that let them centralize and gut the Soviets of their power.

Use that to butterfly Trotsky's command of the Red Army in favor of someone who won't abolish the soldier councils, while having the Provisional Government keep Russia in WWI long enough to really piss off the populace, and there's a real chance that Russia could come out of the Civil War Anarchist.

[Cuāuhtemōc]

Originally Posted by Alexius I Kommenos

Not really this guy stolypin literally had the Tsar at his beck and call, he managed to banish rasputin and passed all his laws He also almost complelty eradicated the commies from RUssia So had he remained in power just have Alexay die and the royal family distraught. Stolypin becomes the Tsars faithful aid. Thus you have a russia with a constiutional monarchy because of the DUma which eventually gets more power because Stolypin eventually becomes friends with Nicolas. IOt also helped that this guy had major support from such influential people like the Prince who murdered Rasputin aka one of the richest men in Russia, and he was completly idolized and loved by the people

Judging by OTL, giving power to the Duma is highly unlikely unless you take out Nicholas and even then it's hard to do.

[Bee]

If Kerensky supports Kornilov instead of turning to the communists, maybe democracy survives. [We'll never know his intentions for certain].

We also don't know for certain what sort of country the Constitutional Assembly would have chosen if Lenin had allowed it to finish its deliberations. [This goes back to the suggestion to eliminate Lenin and maybe Trotsky too.] The largest party was the Socialist Revolutionary Party, so some sort of socialist government, hopefully without the equivalent of the CHEKA, is the likeliest possibility.

[yourworstnightmare]

If Whites win Civil War, both Republic and Dictatorship is possible. However getting the Whites to win is almost impossible.

[DAv]

Originally Posted by Aranfan

Actually, if you can kill Lenin and keep the February Revolution on track, then Anarchist Russia is a solid possibility. Without Lenin to keep the party machine from squandering the opportunities then the Bolsheviks would be extremely unlikely to get the commanding majorities in the Soviets that let them centralize and gut the Soviets of their power.

Use that to butterfly Trotsky's command of the Red Army in favor of someone who won't abolish the soldier councils, while having the Provisional Government keep Russia in WWI long enough to really piss off the populace, and there's a real chance that Russia could come out of the Civil War Anarchist.

Interesting ideas there. Would have to look into the leading Anarchists of the time to see how'd it work, never mind trying to get round to seeing how Anarchy would work on a scale such as a nation with Russia.

[wormyguy]

Some sort of military junta and/or third world-style democracy is most likely.