List alternate PMs or Presidents

[Joshua Ben Ari]

List of Monarchs of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the British Commonwealth

George I (1717-1747)
George II (1747-1760)
George III (1760-1820)
George IV (1820-1830)
William IV (1830-1837)
Victoria (1837-1901)
Edward VII (1901-1910)
George V (1910-1936) [1]
George VI (1936-1953) [2]
Elizabeth II (1953-1981) [3]
Phillip I (1981-present) [4]

[1] Established the Imperial Council from the Imperial Conferences, and laid in the beginnings for the British Commonwealth. His firstborn son, Edward, renounced his claim to the British throne in 1929.

[2] After his brother renounced his claim to the throne, Albert Frederick Arthur George, became George VI of the United Kingdom upon his father’s death.

[3] George VI’s daughter becomes Queen upon the death of her father but is assassinated in 1981 when six shots were fired at the Queen six weeks before the wedding of Prince Charles and Diana Spencer.

[4] Charles, Prince of Wales becomes Phillip I of the United Kingdom as well as the British Commonwealth upon the death of his mother. His wife, Diana Spencer, comforts him and stays by his side- avoiding her OTL death in 1997.

List of British Prime Ministers, 1936 to present day

Neville Chamberlain (1937-1940) (Con)
Winston Churchill (1940-1945) (Con)
Anthony Eden (1945-1952) (Con)
Harold Macmillan (1952-1957) (Con)
Richard Austin Butler (1957-1963) (Con)
Iain Macleod (1963-1969) (Con)
Edward Heath (1970-1974) (Con)
James Callaghan (1974-1979) (Lab)
Margaret Thatcher (1979-1990) (Con)
Sir Geoffrey Howe (1990-1992) (Con)
Michael Heseltine (1992-1997) (Lab)
Anthony Blair (1997-2001) (Lab)
William Hague (2001-2006) (Con)
Gordon Brown (2007-2010) (Lab)
David Cameron (2010-present) (Con)

[Rogov]

List of U.S. presidential candidates from '68 to the present day

POD: The FBI does not succeed in breaking up the '67 National Convention For New Politics

1968 -
Democratic: Hubert H. Humphrey / Edmund Muskie
Republican: Richard M. Nixon / Spiro Agnew
American Independent: George Wallace / Curtis LeMay
New Politics: Martin Luther King Jr. / Benjamin Spock

Nixon wins.

1972 -
Democratic: Henry M. Jackson /
Republican: Richard M. Nixon / Gerald Ford
American Independent: George Wallace /
New Politics: Martin Luther King Jr. / George McGovern
National Republican: William F. Buckley /
Progressive: Eugene McCarthy

Jackson wins.

1976 -
Democratic: Henry M. Jackson /
Republican: Ronald Reagan /
American Independent:
New Politics: Martin Luther King Jr. /
Nationalist: William F. Buckley /
Progressive:

Jackson reelected, having ended the war in 75 and quieted the anti-war movement considerably.

1980 -
Democratic:
Republican:
American:
New Politics:
Nationalist:
Progressive:

1984 -
Democratic:
Republican:
American:
New Politics: Jesse Jackson /
Nationalist:
Progressive:

1988 -
Democratic:
Republican:
American:
New Politics: Jerry Brown /
Nationalist:
Progressive:

1992 -
Democratic:
Republican:
American:
New Politics:
Nationalist:
Progressive:

1996 -
Democratic:
Republican:
American:
New Politics:
Nationalist:
Progressive:

2000 -
Democratic:
Republican:
American:
New Politics:
Nationalist:
Progressive:

Obviously still a work in progress. Suggestions?

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Joshua Ben Ari

[4] Charles, Prince of Wales becomes Phillip I of the United Kingdom as well as the British Commonwealth upon the death of his mother. His wife, Diana Spencer, comforts him and stays by his side- avoiding her OTL death in 1997.

Charles would (and will be) George VII on ascending the throne, not least because the last Philip to (co-)hold the throne would be an even more unfortunate namesake than either of the Charleses.

[Turquoise Blue]

Would Charles, if he did choose Philip, would he be the second Philip?

[Thande]

Originally Posted by DrTron

Would Charles, if he did choose Philip, would he be the second Philip?

Technically yes, hence the iffiness. (Actually, the matter is legally debatable, but most probably, shall we say). In any case, he'll be George because George is a traditional British royal name with no negative connotations and no problems about Scottish nationalists, the Act of Union and regnal numbers.

[jack_donaghy_is_the_shado]

Here's a list of POTUSes I gleaned from wikipedia, filled in the blanks, and modified from tv series, books, etc. Guess which ones are from where?

1789-1797 George Washington
1797-1801 John Adams
1801-1829 Aaron Burr
1829-1833 Davy Crockett
1833-1836 Aaron Burr
1836-1837 Aaron Burr Alston
1837-1845 Andrew Jackson
1845-1849 Martin Van Buren
1849 James K. Polk D
1849-1853 George Dallas
1853-1857 Winfield Scott
1857-1861 Millard Fillmore
1861-1864 Abraham Lincoln A
1864-1869 Hannibal Hamlin
1869-1873 Ulysses S. Grant
1873-1877 Frederick K. Douglass (running mate was Victoria Woodhull, whom was underage when she suprisingly won the 1872 Presidential election)
1877-1885 Samuel J. Tilden
1885-1889 Grover Cleveland
1889-1893 Belva Lockwood
1893-1897 Grover Cleveland
1897-1901 William Jennings Bryan
1901-1909 Theodore Roosevelt
1909-1913 Thomas Edison
1913-1917 Theodore Roosevelt
1917-1921 Thomas Marshall
1921 James M. Cox A
1921-1925 Franklin D. Roosevelt
1925 Robert M. LaFollette Sr. D
1925-1929 Burton K. Wheeler
1929-1933 Alfred Smith
1933-1941 Franklin Roosevelt
1941-1942 Charles Lindbergh (impeached and resigined due to ending neutrality in favor against Congress' will
1942-1945 Burton K. Wheeler
1945-1949 Thomas Dewey
1949-1953 Harry S. Truman
1953-1961 Eleanore Roosevelt
1961-1963 John F. Kennedy A
1963-1965 Lyndon B. Johnson
1965-1969 Barry M. Goldwater
1969 Robert F. Kennedy A
1969-1971 Martin Luther King Jr. A
1971-1973 George McGovern
1973-1974 Richard M. Nixon (resigned and later convicted for election fraud, was given a conditional pardon by President Ford)
1974-1981 Gerald R. Ford
1981-1985 Edward M. Kennedy
1985-1993 George H.W. Bush
1993-1994 Oliver North (appeal of conviction of the President is itself appealed and removed. The President is impeached as further information of Iran-Contra is revealed and is removed)
1994-2001 James A. Baker
2001-2006 Patrick B. Kennedy (presumed killed in the nuclear sabotage of the Capitol by Blackwater and Halliburton)
2006-2013 Howard B. Dean (Secretary of Health and Human Services during the the third Kennedy term, Dean would escape the nuclear destruction of the capital, and lead the nation to victory over the Allied States of America. Declined a second term)
2013-2019 Hillary R. Clinton A
2019-2033 Barack H. Obama

[Joshua Ben Ari]

Originally Posted by Thande

Technically yes, hence the iffiness. (Actually, the matter is legally debatable, but most probably, shall we say). In any case, he'll be George because George is a traditional British royal name with no negative connotations and no problems about Scottish nationalists, the Act of Union and regnal numbers.

Thanks for the advice, Thande. I admit, I wasn't sure about which name to give him. I had head rumours that Charles was going to be crowned George VII, but I also thought he could go with something out of the blue- like Arthur I.

[Joshua Ben Ari]

From my "A World Without" timeline. Click the link in my sig to read it if you're interested.
_______________________
Year 1980:

The presidency of the Free Republic of South Carolina is limited to a single, five-year term. Though there are calls to reform the term of the President of the Republic, the Congress of the Republic has voted consistently to keep it to a single term.

Voting in the Republic is mandatory, with an entire week given to the voting process. Although South Carolina is officially designated the black state, there is a white population of 2.1 million out of a total population of 8.7 million.

The capital of the Republic is in Liberia (formerly Columbia), South Carolina.

List of Presidents for Free Republic of South Carolina

Robert Franklin Williams (1977-1982) (F)
Huey Newton (1982-1987) (F)
Bayard Rustin (1987-1992) (I) [1]
Colin Powell (1992-1997) (F)
Michael Joseph Jackson (1997-2002) (I) [2]
Michael Steele (2002-2007) (F)
Jim Clyburn (2007-present) (I)

(F) = Freedom Party
(I) = Independent Party

[1] South Carolinian president who pushed through pro-gay legislation, legalizing homosexuality and promoting gay rights.

[2] Taking advantage of the break between his musical actions during the mid 1990s in the Republic, he successfully ran for President of the Republic, carried by the youth vote and running as an Independence Party candidate.

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Joshua Ben Ari

Thanks for the advice, Thande. I admit, I wasn't sure about which name to give him. I had head rumours that Charles was going to be crowned George VII, but I also thought he could go with something out of the blue- like Arthur I.

Based on the last time this was brought up, it might actually be Arthur II--Henry VII's first son, Arthur, was considering that regnal title (in OTL of course he died and his younger brother became Henry VIII instead). With Arthur I being the legendary King Arthur. This may however be because the House of Tudor was Welsh and wanted to cement their rule with "see, we're not actually foreigners, because look, King Arthur!"

However in this case it is definitely going to be George.

[Meadow]

Fictional Face-off

Jim Hacker (Con) 1986-1990
Francis Urquhart (Con) 1990-2001*
Tom Makepeace (Con) 2001
Harry Perkins (Lab) 2001-2003**
Lawrence Wainwright (Lab) 2003-2007
Harold Saxon (Independence) 2007-2009***
Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart (Head of Provisional Military Government) 2009-2011
Alan B'stard (National Unity And Reconstruction For A New British Century) 2011-present

*Assassinated
**Resigned due to 'ill-health'
***Presumed killed in Great War of Anti Extra-Terrestrial Liberation

[EvilSpaceAlien]

Here's a list of Presidents/Veeps from a world where a Republican was elected in 1976. Scenario one features Ford being reelected and scenario two features Reagan winning the primaries and going on to win the election.

Scenario 1:
1977: Gerald Ford (R-MI)/Bob Dole (R-KS)
-runner up: Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN)
1981: Jerry Brown (D-CA)/Gary Hart (D-CO)
-runner up: Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/John Connally (R-TX)
1985: Jerry Brown (D-CA)/Gary Hart (D-CO)
-runner up: Bob Dole (R-KS)/Paul Laxalt (R-NV)
1989: Gary Hart (D-CO)/Al Gore (D-TN)
-runner up: George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Jack Kemp (R-NY)
1993: Gary Hart (D-CO)/Al Gore (D-TN)
-runner up: Jack Kemp (R-NY)/Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
1997: John McCain (R-AZ)/Steve Forbes (R-NY)
-runner up: Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Paul Tsongas (D-MN)
2001: John McCain (R-AZ)/Steve Forbes (R-NY)
-runner up: Paul Wellstone (D-MA)/Diane Feinstein (D-CA)
2005: Al Gore (D-TN)/Howard Dean (D-VT)
-runner up: Steve Forbes (R-NY)/George W. Bush (R-TX)
2009: Al Gore (D-TN)/Howard Dean (D-VT)
-runner up: Dan Quayle (R-IL)/Ron Paul (R-TX)
2013: Michael Bloomberg (R-NY)/Tom Tancredo (R-CO)
-runner up: Howard Dean (D-VT)/Mark Dayton (D-MN)
2017: Paul Krugman (D-NJ)/Barack Obama (D-IL)
-runner up: Michael Bloomberg (R-NY)/Tom Tancredo (R-CO)

Scenario 2:
1977: Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Bob Dole (R-KS)
-runner up: Jerry Brown (D-CA)/Henry M. Jackson (D-WA)
1981: Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
-runner up: Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Bob Dole (R-KS)
1985: Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
-runner up: George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/John Chafee (R-RI)
1989: Jack Kemp (R-NY)/Dick Lugar (R-IN)
-runner up: Ted Kennedy (D-MA)/Alan Cranston (D-CA)
1993: Jack Kemp (R-NY)/Dick Lugar (R-IN)
-runner up: Dick Gephardt (D-MO)/Bob Kerrey (D-NE)
1997: Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Joe Biden (D-DE)
-runner up: Dick Lugar (R-IN)/Alan Keyes (R-MD)
2001: Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Joe Biden (D-DE)
-runner up: Elizabeth Dole (R-NC)/Jeb Bush (R-FL)
2005: Joe Biden (D-DE)/Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
-runner up: Jeb Bush (R-FL)/John McCain (R-AZ)
2009: Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)/Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX)
-runner up: Joe Biden (D-DE)/Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
2013: Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)/Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX)
-runner up: Bill Richardson (D-NM)/John Edwards (D-NC)
2017: Donald Trump (R-NY)/Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)
-runner up: Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL)/Jack Reed (D-RI)

Oh and here's a Stargate thing where Apophis successfully invades Earth in 1998.

1997: Bill Clinton/Al Gore (Democrat)
1998: Lord Apophis (Goa'uld occupation of Earth)
2000: Daniel Jackson (leader of the Alpha site civilian leadership council)/Lord Apophis (Goa'uld occupation of Earth)
2005: Daniel Jackson (leader of the United States provisional government)
2007: Daniel Jackson/Elizabeth Weir (Independent)
2011: Elizabeth Weir/Alan Armstrong (Independent/Democrat)
2015: Elizabeth Weir/Alan Armstrong (Independent/Democrat)

[Lemon flavoured]

Originally Posted by Thande

Based on the last time this was brought up, it might actually be Arthur II--Henry VII's first son, Arthur, was considering that regnal title (in OTL of course he died and his younger brother became Henry VIII instead). With Arthur I being the legendary King Arthur. This may however be because the House of Tudor was Welsh and wanted to cement their rule with "see, we're not actually foreigners, because look, King Arthur!"

However in this case it is definitely going to be George.

Two things on the subject of Regnal names, first, I read somewhere that Princess Diana wanted to name William Stephen, but was told not too on the grounds of the business with The Anarchy in the 1200's (ignoring the fact that Charles was named Charles in first place, but still...). Secondly, it interests me what names Prince William is likely to consider when he has children. Obviously a girl is likely to have some combination of Catherine, Diana and Elizabeth.

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Lemon flavoured

Two things on the subject of Regnal names, first, I read somewhere that Princess Diana wanted to name William Stephen, but was told not too on the grounds of the business with The Anarchy in the 1200's (ignoring the fact that Charles was named Charles in first place, but still...). Secondly, it interests me what names Prince William is likely to consider when he has children. Obviously a girl is likely to have some combination of Catherine, Diana and Elizabeth.

Most probably Elizabeth first I should think, especially if she's the first child.

[Lemon flavoured]

Originally Posted by Thande

Most probably Elizabeth first I should think, especially if she's the first child.

I would imagine so too. Of course if William's first child is a girl it will raise the issue (pun marginally intended) of boys inheriting the throne over older sisters, especially if they then have a boy.

[Joshua Ben Ari]

List of Monarchs of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the British Commonwealth

George I (1717-1747)
George II (1747-1760)
George III (1760-1820)
George IV (1820-1830)
William IV (1830-1837)
Victoria (1837-1901)
Edward VII (1901-1910)
George V (1910-1936) [1]
George VI (1936-1953) [2]
Elizabeth II (1953-1981) [3]
George VII (1981-present) [4]

[1] Established the Imperial Council from the Imperial Conferences, and laid in the beginnings for the British Commonwealth. His firstborn son, Edward, renounced his claim to the British throne in 1929.

[2] After his brother renounced his claim to the throne, Albert Frederick Arthur George, became George VI of the United Kingdom upon his father’s death.

[3] George VI’s daughter becomes Queen upon the death of her father but is assassinated in 1981 when six shots were fired at the Queen six weeks before the wedding of Prince Charles and Diana Spencer.

[4] Charles, Prince of Wales becomes George VII of the United Kingdom as well as the British Commonwealth upon the death of his mother. His wife, Diana Spencer, comforts him and stays by his side- avoiding her OTL death in 1997.

List of British Prime Ministers, 1936 to present day

Neville Chamberlain (1937-1940) (Con)
Winston Churchill (1940-1945) (Con)
Anthony Eden (1945-1952) (Con)
Harold Macmillan (1952-1957) (Con)
Richard Austin Butler (1957-1963) (Con)
Iain Macleod (1963-1969) (Con)
Edward Heath (1970-1974) (Con)
James Callaghan (1974-1979) (Lab)
Margaret Thatcher (1979-1990) (Con)
Sir Geoffrey Howe (1990-1992) (Con)
Michael Heseltine (1992-1997) (Lab)
Anthony Blair (1997-2001) (Lab)
William Hague (2001-2006) (Con)
Gordon Brown (2007-2010) (Lab)
David Cameron (2010-present) (Con)

Lord Presidents of the Imperial Council of the British Commonwealth

Jan Christaan Smuts- 1935-1940 (South Africa)
Winston Churchill- 1940-1945* [1] (United Kingdom)
Winston Churchill- 1945-1950 (United Kingdom)
Winston Churchill- 1950-1955 (United Kingdom)
Robert Menzies- 1955-1960 (Australia)
Louis St. Laurent- 1960-1965 (Canada)
Keith Holyoake- 1965-1970 (New Zealand)
Alec Douglas-Home- 1970-1975 (United Kingdom)
Harry Schwarz- 1975-1980 (South Africa) [2]
Lester Pearson- 1980-1985 (Canada)
Pierre Trudeau- 1985-1990 (Canada)
Gough Witlam- 1990-1995 (Australia)
Michael Kenneth Moore- 1995- 2000 (New Zealand)
Anthony James Leon- 2000-2005 (South Africa)
Jacob Austin- 2005-2010 (Canada) [3]
Liam Fox- 2010-present (United Kingdom)

* concurrent to Churchill's term as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

[1] Only member of the Imperial Council to be elected three times and in succession.

[2] First Jewish Lord President of the Imperial Council

[3] Second Jewish Lord President of the Imperial Council

The Imperial Council was born out of the Imperial Conferences, a forum for the United Kingdom, the Dominions and the Confederation of Indian States. Eventually, it becomes a upper chamber of the Imperial Parliament (analogous to the House of Lords).

The Lord President is a elected presidency, with powers similar to the Speaker of the House or the Speaker of the House of Commons.

[V-J]

Originally Posted by Thande

Most probably Elizabeth first I should think, especially if she's the first child.

I doubt it. William is Diana's son and besides, Liz is very predictable. I suspect it won't be anything predictable at all, similar to Charles' - albeit, like Charles, with a host of traditional second and third names which can be fallen back on when the royal day arrives. Something like Louise Alexandra Mary Victoria, that kind of thing.

[Meadow]

What if Wills has a boy first? We haven't had a Henry in an awfully long time. With Edward and Charles (and probably James, by extension) out of the picture, it's between that and George.

[EvilSpaceAlien]

The 22nd doesn't pass, but Equal Opportunity to Govern Amendment does.

1948: Harry S. Truman/Alben W. Barkley (D)
1952: Harold Stassen/Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
1956: Harold Stassen/Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
1960: Harold Stassen/Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
1964: Lyndon B. Johnson/Robert F. Kennedy (D)
1968: Lyndon B. Johnson/Robert F. Kennedy (D)
1971: Robert F. Kennedy/incumbent* (D)
1972: Barry Goldwater/Ronald Reagan (R)
1976: Robert F. Kennedy/George McGovern (D)
1980: Robert F. Kennedy/George McGovern (D)
1984: Ronald Reagan/Bob Dole (R)
1988: Ronald Reagan/Bod Dole (R)
1992: Bob Dole/Jack Kemp (R)
1996: Bill Clinton/Daniel Inouye (D)
2000: Bill Clinton/Daniel Inouye (D)
2004: Bill Clinton/Daniel Inouye (D)
2008: Elizabeth Dole/John Boehner (R)
2012: Jennifer Granholm/Tom Udall (D)

*Johnson dies

[Meadow]

How does the 22nd not passing get Stassen to be top of the ticket in 1952?

[Meadow]

Originally Posted by Meadow

Fictional Face-off

Jim Hacker (Con) 1986-1990
Francis Urquhart (Con) 1990-2001*
Tom Makepeace (Con) 2001
Harry Perkins (Lab) 2001-2003**
Lawrence Wainwright (Lab) 2003-2007
Harold Saxon (Independence) 2007-2009***
Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart (Head of Provisional Military Government) 2009-2011
Alan B'stard (National Unity And Reconstruction For A New British Century) 2011-present

*Assassinated
**Resigned due to 'ill-health'
***Presumed killed in Great War of Anti Extra-Terrestrial Liberation

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