Map of the Fortnight: Main thread

[Ares96]

Originally Posted by Krall

The challenge for MotF 35 is going to be "Natio Vetus, Gloria Nova", unless a large enough number of people speak out in favour of another challenge within the next few hours.

Yay! Hopefully I will be able to enter this contest, but one cannot be sure.

[Leistungsfähiger Amerikan]

Originally Posted by Krall

The challenge for MotF 35 is going to be "Natio Vetus, Gloria Nova", unless a large enough number of people speak out in favour of another challenge within the next few hours.

Excellent! I'm glad, I thought this was a really cool idea--although I hope the next MoF can be the linguistic map, since that sounded cool too.

[Turquoise Blue]

the revanchist MC sounds good, but I support my language one.

[Krall]

Originally Posted by DrTron

the revanchist MC sounds good, but I support my language one.

My interpretation of the "Natio Vetus, Gloria Nova" challenge was that the nation is claiming to be a spiritual revival of a long dead empire; not that it's claiming to be that empire and has a right to its land, so I don't know how revanchism comes into it... though Xwarq did suggest the name "Revanche Supreme" for it.

[Zuvarq]

Can the map show more than one 'revanchist' country?

Originally Posted by Krall

not that it's claiming to be that empire and has a right to its land

Well that's sort of the reason most states would claim to be an old empire. For example, Mussolini wanting/promising to the people a new Roman Empire. He did not say so because Italy had already become the Roman Empire, but because he planned to conquer its former lands. Or, well, some of them.

[tormsen]

Originally Posted by Krall

The voting thread for MotF 34: Dancing with the Devil will be up shortly - unfortunately only three of the four submitted maps are eligible for voting as Jman's map is implausible (I PMed him about this and he has not replied).

Since when is implausibility not allowed? His map isn't an impossible or ASB scenario. This decision seems like a bit too much interference.

[Mathuen]

Could it be an organization of nations collectively claiming that they are the successor to an empire?

[Krall]

Originally Posted by tormsen

Since when is implausibility not allowed? His map isn't an impossible or ASB scenario. This decision seems like a bit too much interference.

I consider ASB to be synonymous with implausibility, and I consider Jman's map to be ASB, unless he can explain how North Korea can hope to win a war against South Korea in the next couple of decades, or how a coalition of nationalist and fascists will suddenly decide to embrace multiculturalism and unite as a relatively centralised sovereign state and willingly be lumped together into vast, arbitrary provinces.

Originally Posted by Xwarq

Can the map show more than one 'revanchist' country?

Yes, definitely.

Originally Posted by Xwarq

Well that's sort of the reason most states would claim to be an old empire. For example, Mussolini wanting/promising to the people a new Roman Empire. He did not say so because Italy had already become the Roman Empire, but because he planned to conquer its former lands. Or, well, some of them.

True, but claiming to be the successor to an empire may be more of a metaphor or analogy than a direct claim of territory. Russia was claimed to be a "Third Rome" by Orthodox Christians as it was the last remaining Orthodox Empire after the fall of Constantinople (the Second Rome). Claiming to be a successor of the Roman Empire can merely mean that your country considers itself to be the cultural centre of Christendom, or that your country considers itself to be the defender of the Christian faith.

Originally Posted by Mathuen

Could it be an organization of nations collectively claiming that they are the successor to an empire?

Yes, provided it's plausible.

[Ares96]

Can this be of a military campaign (or several of them) to retake the revanchist claims?

[Krall]

Originally Posted by Ares96

Can this be of a military campaign (or several of them) to retake the revanchist claims?

I don't see why not.

[Leistungsfähiger Amerikan]

Bah! Two maps up already of the Greece/Asia Minor area, and neither of them show a new Byzantium!

[tormsen]

Originally Posted by Krall

I consider ASB to be synonymous with implausibility, and I consider Jman's map to be ASB, unless he can explain how North Korea can hope to win a war against South Korea in the next couple of decades, or how a coalition of nationalist and fascists will suddenly decide to embrace multiculturalism and unite as a relatively centralised sovereign state and willingly be lumped together into vast, arbitrary provinces.

The Koreas reunified peacefully in that scenario.

The internal divisions of the Eurasians Union are pretty lazy, I agree. I still don't think it was bad enough to warrant being skipped from the competition.

[imperialaquila]

Originally Posted by Leistungsfähiger Amerikan

Bah! Two maps up already of the Greece/Asia Minor area, and neither of them show a new Byzantium!

Doesn't the Megali Idea claim to be a resurrection of Byzantium?

[Krall]

Originally Posted by tormsen

The Koreas reunified peacefully in that scenario.

Ah, bugger. My mind apparently blocked out the word "peacefully" and assumed North Korea had invaded and annexed South Korea. Mea culpa.

Originally Posted by tormsen

The internal divisions of the Eurasians Union are pretty lazy, I agree. I still don't think it was bad enough to warrant being skipped from the competition.

The fact that the Eurasian Union exists at all is ridiculous. The nations involved were all run by nationalists and fascists - groups that quite specifically do NOT want any other state having any say in how they run things and quite specifically do NOT want to give up their national sovereignty to anyone - making the fact that they decided to unify into a seemingly very centralised federation where they are grouped together willy-nilly totally implausible.

Unless Jman can explain it in a manner that makes it plausible, the map will not be considered for voting.

[Leistungsfähiger Amerikan]

Originally Posted by imperialaquila

Doesn't the Megali Idea claim to be a resurrection of Byzantium?

Ah! Perhaps I missed that.

[Wendell]

In the latest challenge, can regional or continental maps be shown as long as the state to be emphasized is indicated?

[Krall]

Originally Posted by Wendell

In the latest challenge, can regional or continental maps be shown as long as the state to be emphasized is indicated?

Provided that the state in question is shown then yes.

[jkarr]

only 2 entries so far lol

[Krall]

Originally Posted by jkarr

only 2 entries so far lol

Yeah, not exactly a good showing. I'm loathe to extend the contest again, as last time I did that we didn't actually get any more entries.

Hopefully there will be a few late entries before this contest round closes.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Krall

Yeah, not exactly a good showing. I'm loathe to extend the contest again, as last time I did that we didn't actually get any more entries.

Hopefully there will be a few late entries before this contest round closes.

I have been distracted. Soory.