Map of the Fortnight: Main thread

[jkarr]

Originally Posted by Krall

Provided the border changes make sense, it's not ASB.

mind if i show you what i got so far (through note) in the borders to see if they make sense?

[Krall]

Originally Posted by jkarr

mind if i show you what i got so far (through note) in the borders to see if they make sense?

Well, you've already PMed me about it, but the answer would have been yes anyway.

Originally Posted by FDW

Okay, here's an offbeat idea for MOF 61:

"Your "x" will arrive in 5 minutes"

Make a map showing a allohistorical mass transportation system. The system must primarily portray ground based transport (so no planes, ships, teleportation devices or spaceships, though connections to these modes may be shown, highways are also out, as they're not specifically mass transit infrastructure, though they can be shown if some line goes on one or parallel to it on it's route). Other than mode, scale, and technology of the system are up to the mapper to decide. Maps showing OTL Mass Transit systems (Such as the Berlin U-bahn and New York Subway, Or abandoned streetcar systems surviving to the present) with allohistorical extension are acceptable under the terms of this challenge.

Hmm, I'm not so sure about the restrictions regarding ground-based transport - to be honest I'd be fine with a rerun of "ALL ABOARD!", which was simply "Make a map of an ATL transport network".

[Ares96]

Originally Posted by Krall

Hmm, I'm not so sure about the restrictions regarding ground-based transport - to be honest I'd be fine with a rerun of "ALL ABOARD!", which was simply "Make a map of an ATL transport network".

I support this.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Here's a map challenge I think would be good for a future challenge.

The People's Choice?

Show an election map, that, after it is counted (or years later) is recognized as an unfair one, or at the least controversial. OTL examples? US presidential election 1876, and German presidential election 1932.

What about this? Would be interesting.

[Kaiphranos]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

What about this? Would be interesting.

Sounds a lot like MotF:21, Vox Populi. (Which has been brought up before as a possible repeat, so that's not entirely a bad thing.) Maybe we should save it until November, and then it can be topical...

[Krall]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Here's a map challenge I think would be good for a future challenge.

The People's Choice?

Show an election map, that, after it is counted (or years later) is recognized as an unfair one, or at the least controversial. OTL examples? US presidential election 1876, and German presidential election 1932.

I like the idea, but it's a bit strangely worded. How about something more like "Make a map showing the results of an election that is considered highly controversial or outright rigged."? Part of me also feels like the title should go without a question mark, just so it's ironically named.

[FDW]

Originally Posted by Krall

Hmm, I'm not so sure about the restrictions regarding ground-based transport - to be honest I'd be fine with a rerun of "ALL ABOARD!", which was simply "Make a map of an ATL transport network".

I wanted to go for a focus on ground transport because I felt a desire to make this more unique, focusing more on the ATL "Transportation system" then just a simple "network". The difference here being that map-makers would also have to emphasize the services of the work and not just the network itself. You can't do this as easily with air and sea transport, hence the restriction to ground transport. The air and sea transport parts can still be shown, as long as the ground transport is the star. Also, unlike ALL ABORD!, in Your "X" will arrive in five minutes", geography doesn't need to be paid close attention.

[Krall]

Originally Posted by FDW

I wanted to go for a focus on ground transport because I felt a desire to make this more unique, focusing more on the ATL "Transportation system" then just a simple "network". The difference here being that map-makers would also have to emphasize the services of the work and not just the network itself. You can't do this as easily with air and sea transport, hence the restriction to ground transport. The air and sea transport parts can still be shown, as long as the ground transport is the star.

So you want to focus more on what the system does (e.g. transporting spices from the Malabar coast to the Red Sea) rather than just on its infrastructure? I don't see how focusing the challenge on ground transport aids that at all.

Originally Posted by FDW

Also, unlike ALL ABORD!, in Your "X" will arrive in five minutes", geography doesn't need to be paid close attention.

Surely you'd need to pay closer attention to geography, as ground transport networks generally can't go over or around certain geographical features like air and sea transport networks can?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Krall

I like the idea, but it's a bit strangely worded. How about something more like "Make a map showing the results of an election that is considered highly controversial or outright rigged."? Part of me also feels like the title should go without a question mark, just so it's ironically named.

Good point, that works. I'll use that for the challenge. And, alright.

[Alex Richards]

Originally Posted by Krall

I like the idea, but it's a bit strangely worded. How about something more like "Make a map showing the results of an election that is considered highly controversial or outright rigged."? Part of me also feels like the title should go without a question mark, just so it's ironically named.

I'm guessing you could either just go for 'results plus explanation of controversy in description' or inserting things like polls or later records to show disparities in the map itself.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Alex Richards

I'm guessing you could either just go for 'results plus explanation of controversy in description' or inserting things like polls or later records to show disparities in the map itself.

Yeah, two ways to do it. I'm hoping for the later, though.

[Goliath]

How about a religious based MotF? Like maybe this one:

The Zealots' Call
Make a map showing the growth of a fictional religion, or the different growth of a real religion. Future maps are OK. Showing the growth of an Ideology or of Atheism is not.

Or maybe this one:

Look on my works ye mighty, and despair!
Make a map with a POD sometime before 14 AD, but show the modern world (around 2012) in your map. ASB is ok.

Or one last idea:

Petting Zoo
Make a map showing how the presence of a new domesticated animal, or absence of an OTL domesticated animal changed human history. For instance, what if camels and horses had not gone extinct in the Americas? What if there were no cows, pigs, or chickens in Eurasia?

Was that too many ideas? I really like the People's choice idea.

[Kaiphranos]

Originally Posted by Goliath

How about a religious based MotF? Like maybe this one:

The Zealots' Call
Make a map showing the growth of a fictional religion, or the different growth of a real religion. Future maps are OK. Showing the growth of an Ideology or of Atheism is not.

Or maybe this one:

Look on my works ye mighty, and despair!
Make a map with a POD sometime before 14 AD, but show the modern world (around 2012) in your map. ASB is ok.

These aren't bad ideas, but we did an religious-based challenge fairly recently, with MotF 56.

Or one last idea:

Petting Zoo
Make a map showing how the presence of a new domesticated animal, or absence of an OTL domesticated animal changed human history. For instance, what if camels and horses had not gone extinct in the Americas? What if there were no cows, pigs, or chickens in Eurasia?

Was that too many ideas? I really like the People's choice idea.

This one could be potentially interesting.

[ZachScape]

Nix the Notion of the Nation

Create a map depicting a type of sovereign political entity that is able to to maintain a significant degree of influence that is not, itself, a nation state.

• Influence includes, but is not limited to:
  • Military
  • Economic
  • Cultural
  • Political
  • Religious
• Examples of these types of sovereign political entities include, but are not limited to :
  • City States (à la Uruk, Athens, the Vatican)
  • Corporate States
• Non-"Sovereign Political Entities" that are allowed, but are not limited to:
  • Sophisticated Secret Societies
  • Anarchist Regions
• Allowed Premisses/Restricted Premisses:
  • No PoD restrictions
  • Future maps allowed
  • Must be set on Earth as we know it today, although space colonies are allowed to be depicted in addition to an Earth map or a section of an Earth map
  • No earlier than bronze-age societies
  • Fantasy maps allowed, though must be set on Earth

[deathgod]

Originally Posted by ZachScape

Nix the Notion of the Nation

Create a map depicting a type of sovereign political entity that is able to to maintain a significant degree of influence that is not, itself, a nation state.

• Influence includes, but is not limited to:
  • Military
  • Economic
  • Cultural
  • Political
  • Religious
• Examples of these types of sovereign political entities include, but are not limited to :
  • City States (à la Uruk, Athens, the Vatican)
  • Corporate States
• Non-"Sovereign Political Entities" that are allowed, but are not limited to:
  • Sophisticated Secret Societies
  • Anarchist Regions
• Allowed Premisses/Restricted Premisses:
  • No PoD restrictions
  • Future maps allowed
  • Must be set on Earth as we know it today, although space colonies are allowed to be depicted in addition to an Earth map or a section of an Earth map
  • No earlier than bronze-age societies
  • Fantasy maps allowed, though must be set on Earth

Well, I'm not particularly fond of that. Mostly because I protest the very notion of nation state and because I've been reading Spengler -- according to him, the nation state is an exclusive feature of Western society from 1100 whilst the city state was the "nation" of antiquity until 1 BC and the "Church" (Jewish, Mazdaist, early Christian, Islamic) that of "Magian" culture from around 1 AD to the 1100s ...

[ZachScape]

Originally Posted by deathgod

Well, I'm not particularly fond of that. Mostly because I protest the very notion of nation state and because I've been reading Spengler -- according to him, the nation state is an exclusive feature of Western society from 1100 whilst the city state was the "nation" of antiquity until 1 BC and the "Church" (Jewish, Mazdaist, early Christian, Islamic) that of "Magian" culture from around 1 AD to the 1100s ...

Well then... why aren't you fond of it? The entire premise is that nation states are not allowed. Really, that is the entire premise.

[deathgod]

Originally Posted by ZachScape

Well then... why aren't you fond of it? The entire premise is that nation states are not allowed. Really, that is the entire premise.

That there needs to be a limitation to have a POD post the emerge of modern Western culture, IMO.

[ZachScape]

Originally Posted by deathgod

That there needs to be a limitation to have a POD post the emerge of modern Western culture, IMO.

Did you read my post at all? It says "no PoD restrictions". However, "Must be set on Earth as we know it today" is purely from a geographical standpoint.

[deathgod]

Originally Posted by ZachScape

Did you read my post at all? It says "no PoD restrictions". However, "Must be set on Earth as we know it today" is purely from a geographical standpoint.

Exactly that is why I am not fond of it ...

[Krall]

Originally Posted by ZachScape

Nix the Notion of the Nation

Create a map depicting a type of sovereign political entity that is able to to maintain a significant degree of influence that is not, itself, a nation state.

*List snip*

I think this is much too complicated; even if you removed all the conditions the definition of "nation state" is so complicated and nuanced that I doubt the challenge would get enough entries.

Originally Posted by Goliath

How about a religious based MotF? Like maybe this one:

The Zealots' Call
Make a map showing the growth of a fictional religion, or the different growth of a real religion. Future maps are OK. Showing the growth of an Ideology or of Atheism is not.

That's almost the exact description of the challenge we used for MotF 29: Our God is a Jealous God. I wouldn't mind rerunning it under a different name if it's popular, though!

Originally Posted by Goliath

Look on my works ye mighty, and despair!
Make a map with a POD sometime before 14 AD, but show the modern world (around 2012) in your map. ASB is ok.

Unfortunately that name is already in use:

Look Upon My Works, Ye Mighty, And Despair
Make a map showing a successfully built megastructure, either showing the structure itself, its location, or the political or social conditions that caused its construction.

Also, it's a ridiculously vague challenge that seems to focus on making a long timeline, rather than making an interesting map.

Originally Posted by Goliath

Petting Zoo
Make a map showing how the presence of a new domesticated animal, or absence of an OTL domesticated animal changed human history. For instance, what if camels and horses had not gone extinct in the Americas? What if there were no cows, pigs, or chickens in Eurasia?

This one is legitimately interesting; I wouldn't mind seeing what people come up for it!

Originally Posted by Goliath

Was that too many ideas? I really like the People's choice idea.

Just a note, I'd appreciate it if you embolden the name of challenge suggestions when you express your support for them, just so it's easier for me to see if I'm skimming the thread to see how much support each suggestion has.