Map Thread VII

[archaeogeek]

Originally Posted by rvbomally

Well, there's also pragmatic considerations: obeying Hitler would mean getting attacked by the Entente without the tech advantage. I can change this, though. Von Lettow-Vorbeck and Rommel taking on the rest of Africa sounds awesome.

More than pragmatic considerations, Lettow-Vorbeck (you don't use the particle before if it's a title) had more loyalty to his african troops than to any putative jackbooted thugs. Also I still don't get this annoying fascination with nazi ASBs

This is a man who told Hitler at the height of his power to go fuck himself after all.

[chris456]

the Nordic Union in the year 1200 and its Swedish satellite state

[DireSituation]

Interesting map. It would, however, help if you had a bit of some background. Also, while round borders are understandable in that time period, the border lines themselves are to thick in some places. In fact, if you're not displaying any other country, you don't need to include borders at all.

[charl]

Norway must be shitting its pants right now.

[chris456]

Originally Posted by DireSituation

Interesting map. It would, however, help if you had a bit of some background. Also, while round borders are understandable in that time period, the border lines themselves are to thick in some places. In fact, if you're not displaying any other country, you don't need to include borders at all.

i like it better with borders for some reason

Originally Posted by charl

Norway must be shitting its pants right now.

who says the Nordic Union will go after Norway

[LordInsane]

Originally Posted by B_Munro

Well, I think you need more than a few dozen people to qualify as a movement in the first place: you probably could, for instance, find a few dozen Japanese that think union of their country with the US would be very cool.

Bruce

I'd say it depend on the size of the overall population. I'd certainly be more impressed by a few dozen Icelanders than a few dozen Mexicans.

[TotrueTufaar]

Originally Posted by rvbomally

1916

- The invasion of Persia begins. Britain sends in troops from India to defend against the Nazi advance, but the Entente sees few victories. The Ottomans insist on neutrality, noting that the Entente's attempt to decapitate Germany did not work. However, they do take measures and heavily defend their borders.

- A particularly clever British infantryman in Persia invents the "petrol bomb," a glass bottle filled with gasoline and tar that can destroy German tanks. Knowledge of this is quickly spread throughout the Entente militaries.

- Although the German advance eastward continues, it begins to slow as supply lines become extremely long. Guerilla strikes against German supply lines, where the Nazi technological advantage is minimized, are beginning to take their toll. In response to these attacks, some German units have taken to wiping out any Russian settlement they happen upon. The Russian Army continues to assault the Germans wherever they can, knowing that surrender means their peoples' extermination.

- In Europe, Italy, Romania and Switzerland are invaded within months of one another. Hitler claims that, since Italy declared war on the Germans in his history, he cannot trust them to remain neutral. The invasion of Romania was in fact a long time coming, as the Germans were furious that they did not help during the invasion of Russia and simply had no reason to let the Romanians maintain the autonomy they had.

- The invasion of Switzerland began when the Swiss refused to give Imperial German bank accounts to their Nazi counterparts. The Swiss were unique among the European countries in that no true collaboration movement arose. Instead, the government urged its people to fight against the occupiers for as long as possible. This forced the Nazis to hunt down government officials who have gone underground to lead resistance movements.

If the Russians read Mein Kampf and so their fate, then what about the positives views on Britain? Will any information trickle through about the fighting prowess of Africans in France in German East Africa? Or of how dishonoured these men were? I am sure that Hitler could be convinced that certain Africans drilled in loyalty can be of use as Janissaries uder White leadership. Much better that they be the ones to trudge through the swamps. A class of Africans who through intense labor and corporal punishment would have been bred for obedience. And how far into the water does the ASB event go? Any boats cut in half? And what about Lenin? I also trust that the Germans are rounding up inventors of the future. And how is the transportation of the Amber Room going? Will Faberge's workshops be left intact due to the owner being French? And what of the archeological sites around Europe? Will they start digging those up immediatly? What of the Volga Germans and the Germans in the middle of Romania? Was only Luxembourg annexed? Why not at more to it to make it an actual Grand Duchy again? Limberg also looks tempting... As for the colonies, will we be able to expect a large amoung of refugees to start heading their from their overseas voyages? Will German Africa finally have a chance? Why the Hell has England and Canda taken the Danish possessions? And where will the Scandinavians on Ships go? What happened to the foreignors in Germany? Will China or Japan do anything? And so forth.

[The Stormlord]

My previous map, cleaned up a bit and with labels:

[archaeogeek]

The POD is somewhere in the Crusades: an ASB destroys the Seljuks and makes every levantine muslim and jew a christian, while in the process making every french subject adopt english as their language for no apparent reason because an insular backwater they happen to share a king with says so?

[rvbomally]

Originally Posted by TotrueTufaar

If the Russians read Mein Kampf and so their fate, then what about the positives views on Britain?

There is a faction in the British government that favors peace with Germany, so long as Britain keeps her colonial empire. They're more pacifist than fascist in character, as most simply want to bring Tommy home.

Will any information trickle through about the fighting prowess of Africans in France in German East Africa? Or of how dishonoured these men were? I am sure that Hitler could be convinced that certain Africans drilled in loyalty can be of use as Janissaries uder White leadership. Much better that they be the ones to trudge through the swamps. A class of Africans who through intense labor and corporal punishment would have been bred for obedience.

German policy in Africa right now is "we'll see when we get there." Right now, the focus is pacifying the eastern territories and securing oil fields in the Middle East. The war is draining Europe dry of oil, and the Germans are starting to get desperate.

And how far into the water does the ASB event go? Any boats cut in half?

Twelve nautical miles. No boats of any particular significance were cut in half.

And what about Lenin?

The Germans arrested and shot him when they invaded Galicia. The Germans are also combing Russian cities for some punk named Dzhugashvili, but he's living on the Yenisei right now.

I also trust that the Germans are rounding up inventors of the future.

Yes, but they're just imprisoning them and not asking them to work on anything (anything they invent eventually, the Germans already know about). However, the Nazis are still working on advancing their own technology, although mostly in the field of small arms and logistics. Their nuclear program is still shit, though.

And how is the transportation of the Amber Room going? Will Faberge's workshops be left intact due to the owner being French?

Disassembled and shipped to Berlin in a few days. The same goes with Faberge's workshops. The Nazis are trying to find every single piece of art they can in occupied Europe, and aren't really caring who owns it.

And what of the archeological sites around Europe? Will they start digging those up immediatly?

"Zis is proof of ze superiority of ze master race!"

What of the Volga Germans and the Germans in the middle of Romania?

They're promised ownership of lands formerly owned by utermenschen if they collaborate. Many do, while others move to uptime Germany.

Was only Luxembourg annexed? Why not at more to it to make it an actual Grand Duchy again? Limberg also looks tempting...

Luxembourg was only annexed.

As for the colonies, will we be able to expect a large amoung of refugees to start heading their from their overseas voyages? Will German Africa finally have a chance?

While some Germans did move to the colonies, most of them didn't like the Kaiser (or German colonialism) in the first place, and moved to Britain. German Africa is watched warily by the Entente, as while a vast majority of Germans in the colonies despise the Nazis the Entente still fears some sort of pro-Nazi movement taking over.

Why the Hell has England and Canda taken the Danish possessions?

They're administering them on behalf of Denmark. They didn't actually take over the Danish possessions.

And where will the Scandinavians on Ships go? What happened to the foreignors in Germany?

Refugees tend to go to Britain or America. As for the foreigners in Germany, they're either imprisoned or (if they have Nazi sympathies) used as aides by the German occupation in their respective countries.

Will China or Japan do anything?

Japan is seriously considering intervening on behalf of the Russians and British, but like the Americans and Ottomans they're not exactly lining up for a massacre. They did toy with the idea of siding with the Germans, but they saw what happened to Romania. The Chinese are simply looking the other way; after all, a German invasion of China is just crazy!

[Pischinovski]

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My 4th map of my Araldyana Series:
This time just a quick one:

The territory of the House of Mancein in the year 1425 AD:

The House of Mancein:
The Manceins are an old Celtic dynasty. During the Brytanic Civil Wars in the 13th century the led the anti-araldian alliance. After their victory in 1281 Duke Levilin is declared Emperor of the Romans (Emperor Levilin I.) but not regogniced by the Eastern Roman Emperor.

The Empire:
Official: The Empire of the Romans
called by modern Historians: Norse-Brytanic Empire

The Empire consits of following parts:

Kingdom of Bryton and Gandiace:
-Bryton: North England and Scotland (earlier name of the whole island):
Founded in 1312. In the Treaty of Deva the Kingdom of Bryton is proclaimed (previous known as the Dioceses of Bryton). Bryton is now equated to the Kingdom of Scanden.

-Gandiace: OTL South England and South Wales
Seperated from Bryton in the year 1343 to simplify the administration.

After the loss of nearly all of Bryton the Kingdoms are reunited and form now (1425 AD) the Kingdom of Bryton and Gandiace.

OTL England is the historical heartland of the Empire but in the last hundred the Emperors were focused on areas around the Baltic Sea instead of the Isles.

Kingdom of Scanden:
Scanden (latin: Scandia) is part of the Empire since the Peace of Ebrocom (see also first post). The peoples of Scanden speak germanic languages and finno-ugric in OTL Finland and Estland. The trade in the Baltic Sea is very important for the Empire therefore the Emperors are determined to control the whole Sea. In the last years a strong anti-imperial opposition grew in Scanden.

Duchies on the Valtic South Coast:
Waigland:
-part of the Empire since the 12th century

Teitch March:
-part of the Empire since 1409
-previous known as Teitch East March
-annexed after long wars against the Kingdom of Teistland

Prussia:
-part of the Empire since the Polonian-Brytanic peace of 1413

The map:
a very simple design (maybe you can see i treid to imitate the style of the forum )

[TotrueTufaar]

As for the owning of things, I was refering to the tendency of the Nazis to smash up Slavic artwork for the parts they were made of. Anyways, I am well satisfied with the responses. I know bid you to return to your surprisingly fast paced series.

[rvbomally]

1917

- The British reveal several secret weapons to the United States: they've developed the Vickers Mini, an air-cooled Vickers gun based on MG38 technology, and an anti-tank gun based on elephant guns. They also revealed progress on "Gun Tractors," but explain that they are merely prototypes and can't go toe-to-toe with German armor (the British have yet to capture a German tank). The British promise to give this technology to the US if it helps mass-produce the weapons and join the war. The Americans accept, and American troops are sent to aid the British in Persia.

- The Japanese, previously on the fence about allying with the Germans, decide that the Germans are too untrustworthy and toy with the idea of aiding the Russian Empire.

- Although the German forces still advance on all fronts, they have slowed significantly as the fuel situation in Europe becomes desperate. When Hitler hears of his slowing armies, he demands an explanation. His generals respond that the oil infrastructure in Persia and Russia is nearly non-existent, and native resistance means that all oil wells must be guarded. Hitler reasons that since the Ottoman Empire is much more industrialized than Persia, it would be a better source of oil. He orders the invasion of the Ottoman Empire, an event which surprises few. The Ottomans fall back to pre-determined defensive lines, but are overwhelmed by German armor and air. However, they manage to stop the Germans around Istanbul, as the German panzers and Luftwaffe pulled back to conserve fuel and left responsibility of the city to infantry.

- In the west, the Italians surrender and Mussolini is freed and placed as a puppet leader. The Germans also invade Spain, fearing that it would be used as a launching point for an Entente invasion. This, along with continued resistance in the occupied countries, further taxes German manpower.

[mats]

shouldn't that be 1937?
and why didn't they invade the netherlands?

[rvbomally]

Originally Posted by mats

shouldn't that be 1937?
and why didn't they invade the netherlands?

Don't you mean 1917?

And they did invade the Netherlands.

[IDR2009]

So how many nazi causalities do we have?

and Wouldnt you think the nazis would have advanced in Russia?

[rvbomally]

Originally Posted by IDR2009

So how many nazi causalities do we have?

and Wouldnt you think the nazis would have advanced in Russia?

They did advance in Russia, but with most German armor in the Middle East right now the advance is insignificant. As for Nazi casualties, they're hovering at about a fifty thousand. Quite a few encounters with the enemy simply ended in the enemy immediately retreating, but partisans are taking their toll.

[TotrueTufaar]

Liechensten been annexed? San Marino, Monaco, and Andora been left behind? They would have promised great treasures from the homes of the Prince and rich tourists. Which suggests that Göring may have some responsibility for them being saved for the time. How is his dad doing, anyways? Mussolini would have still been a socialist at this point in time though. Though it may have beenthe Great War which pushed him that way. Anyways, what did Hitler do to the Pope? *Waits quietly for the Poles and Mongols to invade Germany on horseback*

We need someone to send the entire British Empire back in time at least three hundred years into the past. Twenty one hundred would be optimal.

[charl]

Shouldn't the Germans be having major problems with Russian revolutionaries right about now?

[Pischinovski]

okay i dont wanna interrupt you crazy isoters...but before my post is forgotten...any comments?