Challenge: "Good" Hitler

[Shackel]

How can we get a "good" Hitler that won't get all crazy over the Jewish people yet still get his OTL position(as leader of Germany)?

[Shackel]

Originally Posted by KyleB

He gets admitted to the Vienna Academy of Music and becomes a great artist.

That's not his OTL position.

[The Dude]

After he flunks his academy, he goes to live in a ghetto. Fortunately, a kind Jewish family takes him in to get him back on his feet. When he asks them why they were so nice, they respond, " because all people are worth the same, great or small". Hitler takes this lesson to heart, and becomes a political activist. Eventually, he comes to lead the National Socialist Party. When he is elected chancellor, he calls for an alliance with France and Britain against Russia. He goes on to be a hero of World War II.

[Shackel]

Originally Posted by TheUnmentionableSeaMammal

After he flunks his academy, he goes to live in a ghetto. Fortunately, a kind Jewish family takes him in to get him back on his feet. When he asks them why they were so nice, they respond, " because all people are worth the same, great or small". Hitler takes this lesson to heart, and becomes a political activist. Eventually, he comes to lead the National Socialist Party. When he is elected chancellor, he calls for an alliance with France and Britain against Russia. He goes on to be a hero of World War II.

Sounds interesting....

How would Italy, Austria, Czech., etc. fit into this?

[Trotsky]

Didn't Hitler's roommate pin the beginnings of his hatred of Jews on the failure of his mom's Jewish doctor to save her life?

[KyleB]

Originally Posted by Shackel

That's not his OTL position.

Oh yeah, my bad.

[Helios Ra]

Originally Posted by Shackel

That's not his OTL position.

With minimal butterflies, German Austria is annexed to German following WWI. Notable Austrian artist Adolf Hitler, known well locally for his architectural paintings, runs for office in the Reichstag to represent his part of Vienna and wins. He rises throug party leadership, and in 1961 he is elected as president. Does that work?

[KyleB]

Originally Posted by Helios Ra

With minimal butterflies, German Austria is annexed to German following WWI. Notable Austrian artist Adolf Hitler, known well locally for his architectural paintings, runs for office in the Reichstag to represent his part of Vienna and wins. He rises throug party leadership, and in 1961 he is elected as president. Does that work?

He'd be 72 by then but otherwise that could work.

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by Shackel

Sounds interesting....

How would Italy, Austria, Czech., etc. fit into this?

They probably wouldn't get annexed, might join the European Alliance. Italy might go in on the Soviet's side. After all, Mussolini was a socialist in his early days. Also, we might see a communist Spain, due to support from the SU and Italy, and a lack of support from Germany.

[Urban fox]

Originally Posted by TheUnmentionableSeaMammal

After he flunks his academy, he goes to live in a ghetto. Fortunately, a kind Jewish family takes him in to get him back on his feet. When he asks them why they were so nice, they respond, " because all people are worth the same, great or small". Hitler takes this lesson to heart, and becomes a political activist. Eventually, he comes to lead the National Socialist Party. When he is elected chancellor, he calls for an alliance with France and Britain against Russia. He goes on to be a hero of World War II.

More like villain, presumably he had to rip through Poland and bitch-slap Czechoslovakia too.

Still dont let common sense get in the way of Russophobia eh.

Sounds interesting....

How would Italy, Austria, Czech., etc. fit into this?

In a badly throught out manner apparently.

He'd be 72 by then but otherwise that could work.

Konrad Adenauer was around that age when he became leader of Germany I think, and age was less of a problem for leaders back then in terms of getting votes…

[ColeMercury]

But on the other hand, Hitler did have Parkinson's Disease later in life, so it's doubtful he'd run for president any later than he became Fuhrer in OTL -- especially in 1961 when it'd be in advanced stages.

Incidentally, the term "Good" is rather nebulous. I mean, do you mean "good" as in "non-genocidal" or "good" as in "non-genocidal and non-fascist"?

[Dan]

After being wounded and gassed during WWI, and seeing first hand the effects of losing the war on Germany, he becomes a comitted pacifist, blaming the war mongering Monarchy and Junkers, and the ties of belligerence caused by Empires, rather than Jews or Communists. He joins a dove party, campaigns on the basis of assuring Germany's survival through diplomacy and Industry, and promises government support for expanding industry.
He's elected as part of a coalition government in 1929, and becomes popular and respected by being able to steer Germany through the worst of the Depression, using government money to begin publically funded works such as the Autobahns, cheap radios and cars, subsidising Ferdinand Porsche's People's Car.
By 1933, Germany is the industrial centre of europe, and a by product of a high standard of living.
The Nazi and Communists parties are allowed in Germany but have few followers due to the high standard of living and minimal conditions for either to flourish.

[MerryPrankster]

I wrote a TL where Hitler entered the Catholic priesthood after WWI for some reason and left to run during the 1930s to take the helm of the Catholic Center Party and defeat the Nazis under Strasser in a struggle for power.

There's a Stalin-ignited WWII in the later 1940s and early 1950s that involves Hitler personally wielding a gun in defense of Warsaw (!) and liberating the non-Russian territories from the Soviets (!!), where statues are built of him (!!!).

[Cuāuhtemōc]

I would take him away from his parents as a baby and give him to a functional, loving family instead.

[Orko]

Originally Posted by Trotsky

Didn't Hitler's roommate pin the beginnings of his hatred of Jews on the failure of his mom's Jewish doctor to save her life?

I thought that Doctor actually saved her so Hitler allowed him to go away.
Also, how do we get completely rid of Hitler's bigotry and totalitarianism?

[Grey Wolf]

The only logical way for the original idea to work is to have a greater focus on hatred of Communists. OTL the Nazis were pulling very much from the same population pool as the Communists and whilst anti-Communism worked as a great policy stance it wasn't so good as a rhetorical tool as anti-semitism.

To make it work, you'd need an even worse Communist threat, maybe longer lasting Communist regimes, perhaps one which carries and holds Germany for a while too.

Without the oratorial hook Hitler won't make the Nazis the leading player.

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

[TheMann]

Hitler is seriously wounded in a gas attack in WWI, though his life is saved by a Jewish doctor, an act which changes his political perceptions. Him and this Jewish doctor become life-long friends.

After being wounded in World War I and seeing the results of losing the war on Germany, he is elected to the Reichstag in the early 1920s and quickly rises to prominence, owing in large part to his speaking abilities. Dedicated to not having another war, he focuses his efforts on Germany's industrialization, though in the process sets up a substantial military. Europe has no issue with this owing to Hitler's comments about how horrible war is. Germany's major economic problems in the 1920s and 1930s lead to Germany formally renouncing the Treaty of Versailles in 1933, but Germany follows the example set by Roosevelt in America and spends massively on civil works projects. Hitler becomes Chancellor in 1938, a position he holds until his retirement in 1958. World War II breaks out in February 1941 after Japan attacks British and French possessions in Southeast Asia, followed by America's entry into the war in December after Pearl Harbor. The attack on Pearl Harbor catches British battleship HMS Rodney and German battleship DNS Bismarck, which are both badly damaged in the attack. Germany declares war against Japan, but vows to not send its ground troops there. Instead, the Kreigsmarine joins the fight, and both Rodney and Bismarck spend the war in the Pacific, along with a huge number of U-Boats.

Stalin strikes in 1943, attacking Poland and Czechoslovakia. Germany massively reinforces its border with Poland and allows Poles to run from the Red Army. Stalin is furious and declares war on Germany, which leads Britain, France and the United States to back up Germany. The Red Army takes most of Eastern Germany, but German, British, French, American and Canadian forces stop them at Berlin, which causes a massive, protracted siege. Germany does, however, recover. Germany's U-boats savage the Soviet Navy, just as they did to the Japanese Navy, and by the end of the war, despite Soviet bombing attempts, Germany's industrial production is turning out everything needed for an army at a phenominal rate.

Japan finally falls in 1945, with Bismarck being among the vessels in Tokyo for the formal armistice on March 26, 1945. This focuses Germany's efforts on the Soviet Union. By early 1946, the Allies have begun the long march to Moscow. The Russians are determined defenders, but the Allies take Moscow in October 1946, ending the war.

In the decades after the war, Germany rebuilds, a massive task but one which the people of Germany were well-suited. The Soviet Union goes on, minus the Baltic states, which were liberated by Germany and Canada, and Ukraine, which separates from the USSR during the war and stays independent. Communism stays alive in China and the remaining USSR, though it would be decades before the Cold War can be a serious threat to the world. The Soviet Union-China bloc proves to be the world's most major threat, and when NATO is formed in 1955 to combat this threat, Germany is part of it.

Hitler retires in 1959 at the age of 70, revered among Germans and placed up there with Churchill and Roosevelt as Europe's great wartime leaders. He spends his retirement writing his memoirs and holding the role as an elder statesman in Germany. He dies in 1977, and is buried with honors in Berlin.

[Orko]

Originally Posted by TheMann

Hitler is seriously wounded in a gas attack in WWI, though his life is saved by a Jewish doctor, an act which changes his political perceptions. Him and this Jewish doctor become life-long friends.

After being wounded in World War I and seeing the results of losing the war on Germany, he is elected to the Reichstag in the early 1920s and quickly rises to prominence, owing in large part to his speaking abilities. Dedicated to not having another war, he focuses his efforts on Germany's industrialization, though in the process sets up a substantial military. Europe has no issue with this owing to Hitler's comments about how horrible war is. Germany's major economic problems in the 1920s and 1930s lead to Germany formally renouncing the Treaty of Versailles in 1933, but Germany follows the example set by Roosevelt in America and spends massively on civil works projects. Hitler becomes Chancellor in 1938, a position he holds until his retirement in 1958. World War II breaks out in February 1941 after Japan attacks British and French possessions in Southeast Asia, followed by America's entry into the war in December after Pearl Harbor. The attack on Pearl Harbor catches British battleship HMS Rodney and German battleship DNS Bismarck, which are both badly damaged in the attack. Germany declares war against Japan, but vows to not send its ground troops there. Instead, the Kreigsmarine joins the fight, and both Rodney and Bismarck spend the war in the Pacific, along with a huge number of U-Boats.

Stalin strikes in 1943, attacking Poland and Czechoslovakia. Germany massively reinforces its border with Poland and allows Poles to run from the Red Army. Stalin is furious and declares war on Germany, which leads Britain, France and the United States to back up Germany. The Red Army takes most of Eastern Germany, but German, British, French, American and Canadian forces stop them at Berlin, which causes a massive, protracted siege. Germany does, however, recover. Germany's U-boats savage the Soviet Navy, just as they did to the Japanese Navy, and by the end of the war, despite Soviet bombing attempts, Germany's industrial production is turning out everything needed for an army at a phenominal rate.

Japan finally falls in 1945, with Bismarck being among the vessels in Tokyo for the formal armistice on March 26, 1945. This focuses Germany's efforts on the Soviet Union. By early 1946, the Allies have begun the long march to Moscow. The Russians are determined defenders, but the Allies take Moscow in October 1946, ending the war.

In the decades after the war, Germany rebuilds, a massive task but one which the people of Germany were well-suited. The Soviet Union goes on, minus the Baltic states, which were liberated by Germany and Canada, and Ukraine, which separates from the USSR during the war and stays independent. Communism stays alive in China and the remaining USSR, though it would be decades before the Cold War can be a serious threat to the world. The Soviet Union-China bloc proves to be the world's most major threat, and when NATO is formed in 1955 to combat this threat, Germany is part of it.

Hitler retires in 1959 at the age of 70, revered among Germans and placed up there with Churchill and Roosevelt as Europe's great wartime leaders. He spends his retirement writing his memoirs and holding the role as an elder statesman in Germany. He dies in 1977, and is buried with honors in Berlin.

Wow, that's a good mini-TL.

[TheMann]

Originally Posted by Orko

Wow, that's a good mini-TL.

I drew it up in about twenty minutes, and its got holes big enough to drive a truck through. That said, it could be used as a base. Here, the Jews of Poland and the USSR in most cases fled west, which means Germany's Jewish population swells to 4.7 million by 1946, though this number drops following Israel's establishment.

Being that Germany hasn't been devastated here (and neither has France or Britain), decolonization goes slower, which also gives the Soviet-Chinese bloc fewer opportunities to spread their ideology around. I'm think the result is a united India, far less of a mess in Latin America (most of the problem there was caused by American meddling, which is a lot less likely here) and Africa being a much better place.

[jkay]

My Hitler's Republic TL's kinda like that. He still hates Jews, but realizes he has to work with them if Germany's to win. He also establishes a liberalish state, albeit for unliberal reasons.