Famous People From An Alternate World-The American Revolution fails.

[Alternatehistorybuff5341]

Originally Posted by Xwarq

The butterflies are so massive that that doesn't matter.

Not by THAT much.

[Ceranthor]

Tecumseh: 1768-1824-Native American leader of the Shawnee coalition, which formed a protectorate state under British rule. Tecumseh led tribal armies alongside British battalions during the Toronto rebellion, where he routed the Canadians at Lake Ontario and personally killed their leader, revolutionary Edward Hamilton. When the year of 1817 saw the British driven from the region completely and independent states formed, Tecumseh himself dissolved the relationship he had with the crown and established the Shawnee as an independent body. In 1824 he died of smallpox, and the nation he founded would remain independent for twenty years, until it was defeated and annexed by the country of Canada.

[Meadow]

Erich Honecker
One of the greatest Chancellors of late-20th century Germany, he is credited with being the first Chancellor from a Socialist party and the first of a seriously left-wing persuasion to build a good working relationship with Wilhelm IV. Along with his minister of the interior, Willy Brandt, he led the way in rebuilding Germany's trade union laws and constructing a stronger welfare state. Notable for his uncompromising stance on civil liberties and ardent pacifism, he was Chancellor from 1974 until 1982, when he announced his resignation shortly after the funeral of Wilhelm IV and ascension of Friedrich IV. He lived on until the early 1990s, working first as a peace campaigner and then as a lecturer on matters of social justice. The Honecker Institute, a think tank for advancing social democracy, is named after him in Berlin.

Sir Harold Nicolson
British Prime Minister, 1935-1944. Known for his commitment to the creation of the Atlantic League (renamed in 1977 to North Atlantic Treaty Agreement) between Canada, the USA and the United Kingdom. His foreign secretary Winston Churchill was a strong Ameriphile and Nicolson himself had been impressed by the great strides in social reform and economic control taken by Canada in the 1920s and 1930s. When the AL was proclaimed in 1941, he called a snap election running on a campaign of accepting Britain's new place in the world. Rab Butler's Tories ran an oppositional campaign accusing Labour of abandoning Britain's traditional friends in Europe to 'schmooze' new transatlantic ones. However, a perception of common ground and origin between the three Anglo-derived states (reinforced in a speech by President Vandenburg), as well as an ineffective response by the Tories to Labour's domestic policy of a 'New Deal for Britain' using money gained from the trade agreements with Canada and the USA, resulted in a landslide for Nicolson's government. He resigned in 1944 after a mild heart attack, from which he nevertheless made a complete recovery, and was succeeded by Herbert Morrison. While his premature resignation is upheld by some as a great loss to British politics, others argue that he held the office of Prime Minister for 9 years and did more good than many managed in longer periods. He remained an active part of the British political scene, founding the Nicolson Society in the 1950s and writing for various centre-left publications until his death in 1968, shortly before which he finally accepted a knighthood from Edward VIII.

[anon_user]

I don't think NATA made it - did you notice that Nixon's entry mentions Canadian neutrality in an Anglo-Russian war (and specifically mentions neutrality rather than support for Russia)? This isn't the Canada of OTL.

[Meadow]

It's an economic union a la the EU.

[anon_user]

Originally Posted by Meadow

It's an economic union a la the EU.

Except the US and Canada are part of different, competing currency blocs (the dollar bloc and the sun bloc), so I don't think there's economic union going on. Hell, the US fights a war with the UK in 2008, so clearly they aren't close enough for that.

I'd drop NATA, but keep the idea of an Atlantic League in the '40s, which first Canada, then the US, drifts away from; alternatively, maybe Nicolson focuses on Anglo-German and Anglo-French relations or something.

I'm not sure how, but this TL turned into an Englandscrew, to an extent.

[Odysseus]

The situation of Canada and the US in North America. Edit this map so we can create a finished, updated version of it.

[anon_user]

I assume we're only critiquing North America right now?

I thought that Canada would end up with the islands to the north (including Greenland and maybe Iceland); California, to me, incorporated Baja.

The US should not have Texas, since it was seized by the Mexicans.

I like the idea of Florida as still a part of Spain - it makes for more interesting geopolitics on North America. Russia should probably have Alaska, for similar reasons.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by anon_user

I assume we're only critiquing North America right now?

I thought that Canada would end up with the islands to the north (including Greenland and maybe Iceland); California, to me, incorporated Baja.

The US should not have Texas, since it was seized by the Mexicans.

I like the idea of Florida as still a part of Spain - it makes for more interesting geopolitics on North America. Russia should probably have Alaska, for similar reasons.

I was hoping for other people to add their versions. I just drew what I think the US/Canadian border is ITTL. So yeah, add your changes.

[anon_user]

Argentina did have ambitions to seize Bolivia and Peru (particularly the silver mines at Potosí) in OTL, and Uruguay broke away from the nascent Argentine republic.

I've also roughly sketched out the borders of American-dominated Sicily and Ireland, and the German Empire.

[anon_user]

My map's probably already off. I mentioned Ecuador already - either Mexico loses territory in the south, or Ecuador's a state that emerged from Brazil, or Ecuador is a larger version of Equatorial Guinea.

[Pretinieks]

The PoD is probably too late to prevent the final partition of Poland in 1795.

French revolution would probably also happen as in OTL.

However, there should be butterflies as to Napoleonic wars; you'd need a coherent version of them before proceeding with maps of Europe, Asia and Africa.

just my twopence*

* if Canadian currency is indeed called 'sun', it can't have cents or centimes because of too similar pronunciation.

[anon_user]

True - the map is mostly inaccurate, with only the Americas, Germany-in-Europe, Sicily and the British Isles mapped according to this TL. And I'm not sure about South America.

There is a French Revolution that falls into civil war [France isn't mapped], and a German Empire that emerges after the Frankfurt Assembly - of 1860. Russia, Japan, Germany, France and Britain (along with the US and Mexico, though Mexico may lose some of its power over time) have been identified as major powers, and Canada is the only state to yet be identified as a superpower.

I decided on sun as an anglicized version of the 'sou' or 'sol' that occasionally showed up as a currency. Argentina's currency, in turn, will probably be the Austral rather than the Peso, reflecting its Canadian-bloc status [and that I generally thought of it as a cool name for a currency].

[Zuvarq]

Latin America doesn't have Colombia, Venezuela, Belize, or Ecuador.

[anon_user]

Originally Posted by Xwarq

Latin America doesn't have Colombia, Venezuela, Belize, or Ecuador.

And? None (except Ecuador) have been mentioned yet, so they might not exist; further, Ecuador might be in Africa instead in this TL.

[Gosing]

James Howard Stark (1867-1934): One of the least-known influential figures in history, yet one of its greatest tales-orphan, soldier, mercenary, scholar, government agent. Both reviled and loved by the peoples of multiple nations, Stark is widely credited for the superb British performance in "The Cutting of Africa*". His indomitable presence forced down many a Tribal Chieftain, people still wonder exacly how he delayed a German Fleet from attackng Alexandria and thus going to war against Egypt, allowing a British Fleet to perform a similar deed. His critics point too his questionable deeds as the first Secretary of State for Africa, which some call full-on Omnicide**.

Stark resigned from politics abruptly in 1917, retiring to his vacation home in Mersa Matruh. Stories of his unpublished memoirs abound, but are largely dismissed as the fodder of conspiracy theorists.

*Couldn't think of a better name, sorry
**Genocide

[A.M. Turtle]

Where's Quebec?

[anon_user]

A fine part of Canada, and why would it be otherwise? Gilbert Lafayette himself proclaimed Quebec to be the "Jewel of Canada."

[NothingNow]

Thayendanegea (Joseph Brant) 1743-1812: A Loyalist Hero of the 1770 Rebellion, Proponent of Indian Unitym and Partially responsible for the Transformation of the Iroquois Confederacy into a Viable, modern Nation that would latter become a member of the United States (Howdenia) at gunpoint. Certainly an Inspiration and Role Model for Tecumseh. Died peacefully on May 20th 1812, at his Estate in what is now the City of Amherst, Hd.

[A.M. Turtle]

Originally Posted by anon_user

A fine part of Canada, and why would it be otherwise? Gilbert Lafayette himself proclaimed Quebec to be the "Jewel of Canada."

I thought it was an independent republic but I guess I shouldn't have skimped through other's posts.