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#2
June 15th, 2005, 01:07 PM
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Hmmm... looks like North America was settled by relatively advanced people (capable of controlling vast land empires) who nevertheless were "really scared of rivers".
 
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#3
June 15th, 2005, 01:12 PM
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Maybe at the time of settlement, it was en vogue to use rivers and bodies of water as boundaries that were easy to keep to or some such.
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#4
June 15th, 2005, 01:17 PM
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Iinteresting map, if for no other reason than it has nothing to do with OTL colonial settlement history in the new world. Borders along rivers or mountain divides suggests long term local development of indigineous nation states, either from a Native American base or in some sort of post-apcalyptic future. However, the mapped nations don't seem to have that much to to with immediate post-contact native societies or language groups as well. But here goes:
North America 1835 Orange - Mexica Empire (center of mesoamerican civilization) pale yellow - Upper Chitimacha (tributary barbarian realm of Mexico) blue - Caddoaddacho (quasi-independent farming kingdoms) green - Etowahan States (Mississippian related societies) pale blue - Huronia (trading chiefdoms in great lakes) yellow - (Eastern Mongolia - Mongols crossed Bering straight in 1250) olive - (Mongolian Fringe) purple - (equestrian barbarians and hunter gatherers) red - Vinland
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#5
June 15th, 2005, 01:27 PM
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Funny, I was thinking the same thing (that it looked more applicable to an indigenous distribution of nations rather than a colonial one). The only thing is, what effect does this have on river trade, and why does the Mississippian culture (which focused on river valleys) break up along rivers instead of mountain ranges and such? Such a civilization thusly broken up would be rather unstable I'd imagine... large farm-supported cities on either side of river belonging to different empires, and within the same empire, vast tracts of non-river valley land between such sites.
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#6
June 15th, 2005, 01:46 PM
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Assuming post-apocalyptic could work too... perhaps after a nuclear holocaust, we've lost the capability to build large bridges? Rivers are used to make kingdom size more manageable to our limited resources and knowledge (as would undoubtedly happen if most of us get wiped out).
In such a scenario, names would be relatively arbitrary. So, why not? North America 2050 Orange - Mexico pale yellow - Texan Republic blue - Okansas green - America (for lack of a better post USA name) pale blue - Empire of Michigan yellow - Vancouveria olive - Canadian Hegemony purple - Holy Californian Empire red - New England Confederacy
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#7
June 15th, 2005, 02:07 PM
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Here is my attempt at it:
North America Light Green - United States of America Light Blue - American territory (not yet divided into states) Red - British Crown Colony of New Brunswick Dark Green - New France Pink - West America (Independent of Mexico following a War of Indepence) Orange - Mexico Yellow - Republic of Texas Purple - Disputed land between West America, Mexico, Texas and the US. It's also where a bunch of Indians were deported. Yellow - Russian North America Gray - Current Spanish colonies So the POD may be both a French victory in the French and Indian War as well as a successful American rebellion and this map is somewhere in the 1830s. Last edited by Zach; June 15th, 2005 at 03:59 PM..
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#8
June 15th, 2005, 03:16 PM
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Red: New England Confederation
Orange: Viceroyalty of New Spain Grey: Viceroyalty of Cuba Pink: Viceroyalty of California Green: United States of America Beige: Republic of Louisiana Purplish: Disputed between California and Lousiana Dark Green: Kingdom of Canada Yellow: Grand Duchy of Aleyska
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#9
June 15th, 2005, 07:06 PM
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Green: British North America
Red: Confederation of New England Light green: United States of America Light Blue: Tecumseh Confederacy Pink: Imperial Republic of Burrland Beige: Republic of Texas Yellow: Grand Duhy of Alyeska Orange: Republic of Mexico Dark Blue: Oklahoma Confederacy Grey: British West Indies
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#10
June 16th, 2005, 03:08 AM
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Yellow: The Duchy of New Kiev
Pink: The Confederation of Caliphornia Dark Green: The Kingdom of North Louisiana Orange: The Tarascan Confederation Tan: New Navarre Blue: The Republic of Tejas Light Blue: The Northwest Republic of America Red: The Dominion of New Scotland Light Green: The Union of Federal Cantons Grey: British Holdings in the Caribbean
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#12
June 16th, 2005, 03:40 AM
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Yellow: Province of Columbia
Pink: Dominion of Oregon Dark Green: Dominion of Greater Canada (consisting the provinces of Upper and Lower Canada, Alberta, and Manitoba) Orange: Kingdom of Mexico Tan: Republic of the Rio Grande Blue: Arkansas Territory (administered by Oregon) Light Blue: Province of the Great Lakes Red: Dominion of New England Light Green: Dominion of Greater Virginia Grey: Province of the West Indies Simon 
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#13
June 16th, 2005, 04:26 AM
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Let me throw my lot in.
Purple: La República Unida de Nueva España Not very united, not very Spanish, New Spain revolted and broke off from the Spainsh Empire in 1802. Most of the population lives in California and the weak republic faces continuall civil unrest by immigrants and local Indians. Military coups and territorial claims continually rock the country. Orange: Imperio Mejicano A long standing dictatorship often at war with New Spain or with Britain. Yellow: Российская Аляска (Russian Alaska) Underpopulated Russian settlements started bursting when large gold deposits were found in 1890, a strategic and prosperous foothold. Red: Confederate States of New England Strict taxes and an abusive military presence because of the neighboring French finally forced the New Englanders to revolt in 1805 when they believed Britain's policy towards Napoleonic New France would doom them, as well as a lack of trading freedoms. A loose confederacy that has nevertheless been very successful. Forest Green: République de la Nouvelle France Contested and kept by the French after the Seven Years War and a proud colony then faithful ally of France. Contests New Spain on a monthly cycle for the 'lost' lands of Louisiana. Bright Green: Verenigd Terrein van Opkomend Mokum (United Provinces of New Amsterdam) The most powerful nation on North America, New Amsterdam is the light of the free world. Strangely however the original colony is now under the Pine Tree flag of the CSNE after a brief 'lighting' war in 1861,inflicted by the aformentioned and Indiana Republic, was prefectly executed, taking both land and UPNA honour. This has caused a large-scale military armaments program in the UPNA and a intriquate system of alliances that extends to Europe, promising a new and devastating global war. Fluro Green: Indiana Republic Settled and formed by secret British immigrants from New England until 1805. Friendly mixings with the local natives helped bolster the population to fight off both New Spain and France in the Midwest War (1832-37) then expand against New Amsterdam. Pale Yellow: Dominion of Texas (British Empire) Originally New Spanish than British, the dominian of Texas was formed in a desperate bid by GB to gain some foothold in North America and to prevent further Spanish or French expansion in 1827. Blue: Susquehanan Union The only nation in North America that was formed by natives. Impoverished, landlocked and surrounded by expansionists, the soldiers of the Union fight a constant war with outsiders. The future of the Union is hazy and in doubt. Last edited by PJ Norris; June 16th, 2005 at 04:35 AM..
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#14
June 16th, 2005, 04:38 AM
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#17
June 16th, 2005, 05:07 AM
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OK, a far less likely one, but bassically the establishment crumbles in the 19th century:
Red: USA, original (became a one party dictatorship controlled by the Republicans. When Populist coalition legally won the election, the Republicans refused, so the western states seceded in multiple different ways). Britain joined on the side of the CSA, but didn't send very many troops, and provided mostly economic help, and lost battles in eastern Canada. Light Green: Also called the United States of America, formerlly the Confederate States of America. Now a farily stable and well running Democracy, at least in comparrison with the other USA. Light Blue: Worker's Confederation of the Great Lakes: Dominated by a Progressive/Socialist coaliton. Revolted from the USA original after the Populist coaliton (which included every other party, including the Progressives, except the Socialists) was defeated. Didn't like the more conservative south, so they organised their own government. Green: The only way this could happen is with a dictatorship in Canada. So I guess before the USA (original) split up, they helped a anti-British government take over. Eventualy a Qubecian took over in a coup, and when the USA was in revolt, they "helped" by invading some of the dissidents. They annexed some of the land they had conquered. Purple: Disputed territory. Several small parts of it have declard independance. Both USAs and Mexico have claims on it. To escape the revolt, some northerners moved to Baja, which has become mostly Yankee, and has sededed from Mexico, but is unalligned. Orange: Mexican Empire which was at war with all of its neighbors for 13 years, and is loosing steam. Tan: Formerlly the greatest war zone, most of the population has immigrated else where by now. Britain has stepped in to mantain the peace, and the land is bassically a demilitarized zone under joint US (former CS) and British controll, but with the Hispanic population under Mexican controll. Blue: United Republic of the Mid West: A Populist controlled state which pays the Mexicans to keep out. Has claims in much of the mid western and western disputed territories. Yellow: Alaska, a joint colony of the USA (original) with some help of the Canadian Empire, which sold some land to the colony.
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#19
June 17th, 2005, 01:46 AM
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Okay, after much thought here are my tentative names for these lands. There is even a plausible (if not entirely probable) timeline for it, but I will save that for another post and see what you all speculate as the timeline forming these nations....
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