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...All advice will be gratefully received. I'm still working that idea out in a Word document. Once done, that and the (belated) Coronel post will make their appearances. Trouble is, Pete really got me thinking hard about how to make the Fuego-Argentino standoff go up in flames. The solution becomes clearer shortly. As for population, I agree that a successful economy would be attractive to immigrants. The Crown Colony has a Governor, but the locally-elected PM is in real control. Juliet Allardyce is probably a feisty long-haired brunette but has absolutely no resemblance to a certain Iron Lady. And guess who's the Governor of Fuego in 1982...? Continuing with Post 303. Rex Hunt is the Governor. Going to be interesting to see how the cruise missile attack works - the code-word 'Headsman' may give you a clue. And the replacement for Schawnk will be a headache - any names occurring to you, Pete, Almirante? Uruguay has not been attacked - sorry, Pete - it's just 'A Bridge Too Far' for the subtle Marques. But the idiot should have foreseen that Ferrettist elements in his command might try to exploit the situation between Fuego, Chile and Argentina. There are other, far more benevolent plotters... Julius, every little helps. Last edited by corditeman; August 31st, 2010 at 07:27 PM.. |
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I'll have a think about the Maori side of things.
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[QUOTE=corditeman;3570231]
...All advice will be gratefully received. I'm still working that idea out in a Word document. Once done, that and the (belated) Coronel post will make their appearances. Trouble is, Pete really got me thinking hard about how to make the Fuego-Argentino standoff go up in flames. The solution becomes clearer shortly. As for population, I agree that a successful economy would be attractive to immigrants. The Crown Colony has a Governor, but the locally-elected PM is in real control. Juliet Allardyce is probably a feisty long-haired brunette but has absolutely no resemblance to a certain Iron Lady. And guess who's the Governor of Fuego in 1982...? Quote:
If you want "the Chilean surname" and with this I mean the one you hear and you say: -"He's Chilean", then I can recommend you "Soto" or "Rojas" or "Sepúlveda". But many German and Croat immigrants went to Chile. Luckily in Ushuaia lives many people both with German and Croat surnames, so here there are some of my friends' surnames: -Croat: "Naumovic", "Mustapic", "Radanovic", "Roganovic", "Vojnic", "Antolovic" -German: "Schulz", "Schneider", "Berenstein", "Gerhardt", "Schmidt", "Glave", "Zentner", "Schorr", "Rülhe", "von Braun", "Wolfgang", "Weiss", "Hansen" Quote:
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Thank you. I've tried my hand at a few names, but I've not got the knowledge of South America you've been brought up with.
The last part is dangerously close to a wank, so I may edit it before pushing on further. It's always very tempting to make all wars like the one the Israelis fought in 1967 - Yom Kippur is a more probable scenario. So is .Korea, although Macarthur could have smashed his way north to the Yalu River and that might have prevented many subsequent problems... General Ercule Sepulveda is my way of finding a halfway-decent successor to Schawnk. A professional soldier and a patriot, he wants to know why Juliet Allardyce won't use the Fuegan Guards and Land Guards to smash northwards through the Bolivians. The answer, of course, is that it's just too far for the Fuegans to go. Neither could the Fuegans effectively invade Argentina (be like Sweden invading Russia) although they can stop Brazil from occupying Argentina. President 'Uno' Numero is going to be a political pest, now Marques is dead. The other possibility is that poor Chile is in political turmoil because its people are war-weary, sick of Schawnk but not trusting many of his recent predecessors. The only protectors they have are the Fuegans, with minor NZ and Oz contributions. Maybe Fuego will have to administer the remains of Chile as an act of goodwill, but with a time-limit. Thoughts on this needed - soon!! And Cantref Mawr? It can't really be independent without a sound economic base - and the UK would be embarrassed to acquire another Colony. Should it become a UN Protectorate, administered by NZ or Oz? |
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-Most of Argentinean military factories(arms, vehicles, planes and ammunition) are in Cordoba. See this map, the black spot is where most of them are. ![]() -Bahia Blanca is the naval base, so it will really hamper our navy but nothing apart from that, so attacking it or the south of Buenos Aires or even Buenos Aires itself(suicidal) won't really have an effect on the military production. -From Chubut you can't really invade Southern Chile. The places from where to do so are Rio Negro or Neuquen. -Once Argentina occupies Santiago, then they have half of Chile's population under control. If you add Valaparaiso and Vińa del Mar you then have like 65%. -Fuego didn't attack the naval base at Puerto Argentino(ex. Puerto Ferretti). -Chile and Argentina haven't fought in the South, which would happen even if Fuego is there, and if Fuego intervenes, at most I guess they will occupy Rio Gallegos(the next city is 350 km to the North and is a military garrison at this time, with the town having 300 people apart from them) -Peru should be helping Bolivia and Argentina the same way Fuego is helping Chile. They hate Chile to death and at least they would send supplies, arms and aircraft to Bolivia and Argentina(they did so in Malvinas War). Quote:
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I propose it becoming a province on its own, because it can't be independent and if it becomes part of Fuego say goodbye to any kind of contact between both countries for a very long time.
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When war-fighting rapidly (brushfire/blitzkrieg) Cordoba and Wulaia aren't really significant. Stockpiles and deployed military hardware are far more important. All Generals and Presidents plan for quick victories.
The attack on Buenos Aires is the hardest and nastiest kind - a beheading strike that destroys the High Command and the communications. Britain tried it in the last days of WWII. It was thought that Hitler was at Berchtesgaden, not Berlin, so 617 Squadron (The Dambusters) were sent with Tallboys and 500-Kg Armour Piercing bombs to kill him. Berchtesgaden was under snow and hard to find (no infrared tech, then) but they found the SS Barracks (Deathshead Commando) and blew them apart. The USA missed bin-Laden due to a congressman who didn't keep his mouth shut, when they tried to hit him with a cruise missile aimed at his mobile phone. But you can appreciate the possibilities. Anyway, I need Marques out of the way so that someone else has an opportunity for a political coup - and you may have guessed who I mean. Post-war Argentina and Chile are both weakened in different ways - the military high command in Argentina have been decimated and much military equipment has been lost. Chile is damaged by invasion and the loss of what I estimate to be at least a third of her fighting and logistical forces. Bolivia similarly. I did mention an influx of 'volunteers' and the Quechua and Aymara indios from Peru. As you seem to think it necessary, there could be clash between the Chilean and Peruvian navies and maybe a cruise missile attack. And don't forget the Ferrettistas are trying to stir things up - some went to Chubut. Edit will have (1) some re-targetting of cruise missiles (2) naval clashes off Callao (3) Fuego and Chile seizing Rio Gallegos and not much else - they don't have the forces. 5 Cuerpo is in for a very nasty time. Hope it works. Last edited by corditeman; September 1st, 2010 at 08:11 PM.. |
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Well, here we go - expect this post to take several days to finish...
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The idea of Fuego seizing Patagonia by being largely ignored in a war involving Chile, Argentina and Bolivia, was too good to leave out.
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Rosas is ruthless, but can he be conciliating? How does Fuego extricate itself from Patagonia - 'Patagonia is Argentinian!' Can Garramuno exert authority over Argentina? Let's see...
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This is going awesome, you are a really good writer
![]() But I saw three things: -By this time the Tehuelches are a thing of the past(most of them lost their culture and emigrated to Buenos Aires, so there are like 300 or 500 who live in reservations in Santa Cruz and Chubut), and the Mapuches live far to the North, in Rio Negro and Neuquen. The Mapuche lands are like 1700 km from Port Jones, which I think is a bit more of what Fuego can handle. Not saying it's impossible, but this area is the Apple Country, a place where like 800.000 people live by this time(60.000 are Mapuches, but Argentinians are like 3 or more times Fuego population), which aren't city people but farmers who have weapons and dislike Chileans and their friends(the Argentineans). And the Mapuches can't be given any good lands in Patagonia. By this time they are already used, and to give them land there you have to move the Argentineans(who are more). So maybe a solution would be to grant them a nice part of Pampa province(good farmland) to them. -The Fuegan lines will be extremely over extended. To reach Rio Gallegos they have to do 100 km from coast. Then to reach Caleta Olivia, the next important city it is like 600 km. Then to Comodoro 100 km more, from there to Trelew another 200 km. Now you have shifted from 5şC in Fuego to 25ş in Trelew. If you dare to continue, you can either go to Viedma, the small capital of Rio Negro from where you can go to Buenos Aires(extremely suicidal) or you can go to Esquel, 350 of Patagonia hills(here there are more Bushes which makes it harder to go there). From Esquel you then have 150 km to Bariloche and from there 400 km to the Apple Country. After that you have 250 km to the Nequen oil fields(In Argentina oil fields are: Comodoro has 35%, Neuquen and Mendoza have 50%, Salta 10% and Santa Cruz and Fuego 5%). The problem is that after entering Rio Negro you are in an area with like 40şC in summer. -The other is that as I said, Fuego can't seize more than 40% of Argentina's oil. And Patagonia never ever ever ever has most wheat from Argentina, that is in the Buenos Aires area. Nor it have most of the minerals, it has the biggest iron mine of the country in Rio Negro, but all the rest is in the Northwest zone. So I think Fuego can reach up to the Chubut Valley. After that, there are too many people against them and it's too hot for a Fuegan(I say this from experience ). In this situation the have seized like 40 percent of Argentina's oil production and a big deal of their fishing.After the war, the Mapuches are given lands in La Pampa, which becomes a province and is called Llünged(plain soil). Also, borders in Argentina are redefined to take power from Buenos Aires and the capital is changed to Viedma(that little town I told you)
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Went back to Post 312 and wrote in about Chubut and Santa Cruz.
Your maps and critiques are absolutely essential. Patagonia is under 'nominal occupation', as it would be awkward to hold and still more dangerous for Argentina if Fuego adopted a 'scorched earth' policy. Frankly, it's just intended as a bargaining-chip, but the Fuegans area a nice bunch and the Patagonians find them useful... ![]() Glad to know you like it - I've some more to put in - this war is going on longer than I expected. I wish I'd never thought of that Quisling Voljic. Rosas is a damned nuisance - he's left Argentina down to a third of its fighting strength, once casualties are considered. Isn't La Rioja a wine I've seen in Tesco? I don't seem to be able to forget Argentina, these days... And I want to spare the Casa Rosada - did the 1980s Junta use it, or the military offices? Or do I direct the cruise missiles to the Presidential estate outside BA? (Rats! Just looked at the wiki entry for Galtieri and he appeared on a balcony of the Casa Rosada during the 1982 Conflict - but, hooray! Galtieri actually stayed at the Campo de Mayo Army Base outside Buenos Aires - getting the administrator to modify post 303 accordingly) Regarding the Mapuche, if Araucania's a no-hoper, the Wiki description of Patagonia indicates thin settlement - large areas weren't suitanble for agriculture and there's a lot of undeveloped though low-quality mineral wealth. Maybe, like the Basques, as they're a cross-frontier group, their sub-state should reflect this. Your idea gives us an Andean Araucania and mine produces Mapuche Patagonia. Shall I toss in the King of Araucania and Patagonia? The claimant's Prince Felipe Orelie-Antoine, at present. You'll find him on the internet. http://micronations.wikia.com/wiki/A...and_Pantagonia. He'd be 30 in 1982. Last edited by corditeman; September 6th, 2010 at 09:42 AM.. |
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Well, I like the idea of Chile having also a Mapuche land. The problem is that Chile is even more densely populated and the Mapuches are outnumbered like 6 to 1 in their former lands. So my proposal is this, a Mapuche region(province for Chileans) called Mapupehuen(Mountain Motherland), in which 70% percent of Chilean Mapuches can live. The rest should go to Llünged, where there is far more space. The only problem is that in Chile the only empty places where Atacama(now Bolivian) and Chilean Patagonian islands, they can't live there, they are like three times taller than Fuegan Maori islands and don't have any plain place to settle. So I only could thought in giving them the less populated Chilean area of the already populated ones.
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This is the final part (no, really?) which will bring the 1982 war to an unexpected conclusion.
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...Trouble is, Garramuno has to trigger a revolt amongst Rosas's troops. Holding an earlier flag dedication on 25th May, rather than in the depths of the southern hemisphere winter, is a solution.
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And the flag dedication can't be done earlier. Ask people from the USA if they would like to have the independence day in Febraury. Here it is the third more important day after 25th May and 9th of July. So I thought that to do it in autumn, remembering the troops the values of the Founding Fathers as well as their fight for freedom will trigger a revolt even more than a dedication to the flag which actually means the eternity of our country and our true desire of governing ourselves.
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What kind of ceremony do you and the other Argentinos advise? I can write in what you suggest, as long as I don't pass the maximum editing time for the post.
If not the flag, then what symbolism do you advise? Waiting with bated breath... ...Carried on with Post 318. The solution to the Patagonian and Cantref Mawr crisis comes next. Commissioner Morales was the most ethical Fuegan I could think of... ...And Kirchner's too big to butterfly away...Santa Cruz seems to breed determination. ...And the Fuegans are bloody exhausted and in need of a strong drink! Last edited by corditeman; September 7th, 2010 at 12:28 PM.. |
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Fuego's effects on Southern America and the South Atlantic continue to be profound.
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The thread has developed several sub-plots :-
(1) The postwar refit of Fuegan forces and the Swedish and Russian Crises. This comes next - I'd overlooked the potential of a Scandinavian link, but the climate (and WWII stopping of 'Orion') had opened up some possibilities. The war with Chile had delayed the refit of the 'Oberon' class and a general renewal of equipment was needed. (2) Patagonia's Constitutional Crisis - does the doctrine of Separation of Powers exist in Argentina? Does the 'Golden Rule' on Courts' interpretation of legislation exist in Argentina? Your answers will really help to develop and resolve the situation - maybe poor Commissioner Morales will get home to his estacione at last. |
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This sub-plot runs alongside the War and continues after it. Fuego's advanced technlogy is nearly as good as the Israelis' and will involve the neutral Swedes. It is also going to make the USSR hate the Fuegans' guts (not you, sir, just your guts - Radar) but very cautious about going near Cabo de Hornes
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