1980's were the American Mafia is still strong

Hi I need help with this version of America were in the 50's the American Mafia didn't suffer the defeats of Rico, United States Organized Crime Stirke Force, and the police didn't have the Knapps Commision.

Havana hasn't gone Red but still under the control of the Mafia, Time Square is still a cespool and Miami is a wash in Coke.


LW
 
Hi I need help with this version of America were in the 50's the American Mafia didn't suffer the defeats of Rico, United States Organized Crime Stirke Force, and the police didn't have the Knapps Commision.

Havana hasn't gone Red but still under the control of the Mafia, Time Square is still a cespool and Miami is a wash in Coke.


LW

A cuba mired in the pre-castro status quo is going to mean a radically different dynamic in international politics, so the mafia's presence may not be the most significant change here.
 
Well I need an America and world in the 80's were the Mafia is still strong, also the Vactine Bank is still playing fast and lose with the Church's money.


Cuba is currently like a mob run Las Vegas,


LW
 
Maybe leave the revolution in Cuba, but make sure that Bobby Kennedy doesn't go after them in the 60s. Possibly have an administration that supports them, is tied to them, or is bought by them as they are all forced back into the states. Could even still be the Kennedys only more thoroughly under the thumb of Giancana.
 
Well in this world the Kefauver hearings are the only thing that happend about the USA mob, the Apalachin Conference went on without a hitch. There is no Rico in this setting and United States Organized Crime Strike Force didn't happened. Also with the police specially in New York the Knapp Commmission didn't happened the police still have a bagman.


LW
 
Truthfully, without Castro, you don't get the Mariel Boatlift in 1980, which means the Coke in Miami doesn't come until the Colombians come in force, which pushes that to the late 1980s. In addition to that, the Italians are not likely to be able to hang on to Miami, especially considering how brutally they shoved the Cubans aside, unless you can make a Miami Mafia that is willing and able to get into a head-on shitfight with the Colombians.
 
Well in this world the Kefauver hearings are the only thing that happend about the USA mob, the Apalachin Conference went on without a hitch. There is no Rico in this setting and United States Organized Crime Strike Force didn't happened. Also with the police specially in New York the Knapp Commmission didn't happened the police still have a bagman.

The Appalachian Conference seems like the best PoD for this -- say they butterfly off the Valachi Hearings, find a way to neutralize RFK, and you've got something...

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In addition to that, the Italians are not likely to be able to hang on to Miami, especially considering how brutally they shoved the Cubans aside, unless you can make a Miami Mafia that is willing and able to get into a head-on shitfight with the Colombians.

Nice :D
 
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I'm wondering how the drug trade evolves TTL -- AIUI, the mafia's initial position on narcotics was that selling would be limited to minority neighborhoods and some well connected whites; if I'm right, and they don't get competition coming in after they began their decline, we could see things getting ugly with the Nation of Islam or the black panthers, who had some real problems with this and we're afraid of getting rough.
 
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Maybe leave the revolution in Cuba, but make sure that Bobby Kennedy doesn't go after them in the 60s. Possibly have an administration that supports them, is tied to them, or is bought by them as they are all forced back into the states. Could even still be the Kennedys only more thoroughly under the thumb of Giancana.
Or under the thumb of Giancana in any way, shape or form. The Kennedy's were no more affiliated with the mafia than any other Democrats...or Republicans. Papa Joe was a stockbroker and had a hand in the cinema; he was more than well enough off, his business was secure and he was making a killing, whereas rum running let alone connections to the mob were dangerous beyond belief. So Papa Joe was in no way connected to the mob, nor were any of the Kennedy clan. The Kennedy brothers had to go through review by members of committees and so forth throughout their career for various reasons. Not once did anything of rum running or mob ties come up. I believe like many myths (especially dirty myths) of politics, this came from electoral campaigns. The slander of a mob-tied Kennedy clan would have been a good smear campaign, and that myth could be tied into charges of a corrupt election (note, the Republicans were dirtier than dirty themselves; the Democrats had Cook County and messed with numbers, note sans mob. The GOP had the rest of Illinois and the numbers coming out of their areas were extremely fishy). It has since been tied into the assassination, and been repeated by a disillusioned America ad infinatum. So it's self perpetuating.

Now that little rant ties into another fact more in line with this topic: the mob were very friendly with many politicians, not to say they were campaign contributors or anything like that, but that if they showed a Senator a good time in a casino or whatever, that Senator would overlook what they didn't want looked at. Cuba is a prime example, where the well to do, the wealthy, and the political elite would be drugged up in a sort of Adult's only Disneyland of sex shows, prostitution, gambling, and whatever else. So the mob used that to their advantage frequently to stay out of the spotlight.
 
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