castile and angevins under a personal union

[kasumigenx]

how possible is it? and what are the consequences?

[Falastur]

Well it's not implausible, supposing you could find a Queen Regnant for Castile (a female heiress of the Angevin Empire would surely cause its dissolution amidst infighting). If it happened you'd have the early makings of a European superpower, however (just the early makings, of course).

What would actually happen would depend entirely on WHEN this match happened.

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Originally Posted by mimeyo

how possible is it? and what are the consequences?

It also matters massively if what you're talking about is Angevin=King of England and ruler of half of France or Angevin=Count of Anjou.

If the latter, it's almost totally meaningless, historically.

If the former, well that would require the Angevin male line to die out and the Angevin heiress to marry the King of Castile. Not immediately obvious why she would...

Castile (and her Reconquista) would be a massive distraction for a British (+) king, who's interested in France, and vice versa.

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Dathi THorfinnsson

It also matters massively if what you're talking about is Angevin=King of England and ruler of half of France or Angevin=Count of Anjou.

If the latter, it's almost totally meaningless, historically.

If the former, well that would require the Angevin male line to die out and the Angevin heiress to marry the King of Castile. Not immediately obvious why she would...

Castile (and her Reconquista) would be a massive distraction for a British (+) king, who's interested in France, and vice versa.

the king of england,i think if angevins merge with castile they will absorb navarra.

[Finn]

If England, France and Castille were to merge you would be looking at a serious contender for the new Western Roman Empire.

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Finn

If England, France and Castille were to merge you would be looking at a serious contender for the new Western Roman Empire.

Linguistically wise how will Castillian,Gascon and French look like in that timeline.

[Dathi THorfinnsson]

Originally Posted by mimeyo

Linguistically wise how will Castillian,Gascon and French look like in that timeline.

THere's probably less 'imposition of a central language', with so many competing tongues.

I would think that Gascon and Breton have a better chance to survive, and that Basque may do better, as well.

If the Angevin kings control Normandy, but not Paris, then Angevin French may be much more Norman (castel instead of château, cat instead of chat, that kind of thing). Aside from that, and the greater exchange of loan words among the Imperial languages, you might not get much difference?

[Falastur]

Questions like these are just so hard to answer. The POD is centuries ago and every major divergence (which can be as little as a battle, death of a king or even the fall of a noble) to the TL can throw it hugely. The ripples over time become too hard to predict. As the Angevin Empire is set up at its peak, regional languages would flourish, as the Angevin Empire made all territories the reigning Angevin monarch directly ruled were afforded equal importance, local rights were encouraged (though not local challenges to the monarch's authority, see Aquitaine for details) and each territory would be able to keep its distinctiveness. It's hard to see how Castile would fit in, but then England fitted in so I'm sure it'd work. Thing is, I can't see that system of government lasting 800 years. It's not that it was a bad system, I rather like it actually, but over 800 things change. You'd really need to start writing a TL and determining the course of history in this TL to be able to answer questions on the status of languages.

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Falastur

Questions like these are just so hard to answer. The POD is centuries ago and every major divergence (which can be as little as a battle, death of a king or even the fall of a noble) to the TL can throw it hugely. The ripples over time become too hard to predict. As the Angevin Empire is set up at its peak, regional languages would flourish, as the Angevin Empire made all territories the reigning Angevin monarch directly ruled were afforded equal importance, local rights were encouraged (though not local challenges to the monarch's authority, see Aquitaine for details) and each territory would be able to keep its distinctiveness. It's hard to see how Castile would fit in, but then England fitted in so I'm sure it'd work. Thing is, I can't see that system of government lasting 800 years. It's not that it was a bad system, I rather like it actually, but over 800 things change. You'd really need to start writing a TL and determining the course of history in this TL to be able to answer questions on the status of languages.

What would happen to castillian would j be prounonced kh?

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Falastur

Questions like these are just so hard to answer. The POD is centuries ago and every major divergence (which can be as little as a battle, death of a king or even the fall of a noble) to the TL can throw it hugely. The ripples over time become too hard to predict. As the Angevin Empire is set up at its peak, regional languages would flourish, as the Angevin Empire made all territories the reigning Angevin monarch directly ruled were afforded equal importance, local rights were encouraged (though not local challenges to the monarch's authority, see Aquitaine for details) and each territory would be able to keep its distinctiveness. It's hard to see how Castile would fit in, but then England fitted in so I'm sure it'd work. Thing is, I can't see that system of government lasting 800 years. It's not that it was a bad system, I rather like it actually, but over 800 things change. You'd really need to start writing a TL and determining the course of history in this TL to be able to answer questions on the status of languages.

the question is how would english influence Castilian in this TL.

[kasumigenx]

Originally Posted by Dathi THorfinnsson

THere's probably less 'imposition of a central language', with so many competing tongues.

I would think that Gascon and Breton have a better chance to survive, and that Basque may do better, as well.

If the Angevin kings control Normandy, but not Paris, then Angevin French may be much more Norman (castel instead of château, cat instead of chat, that kind of thing). Aside from that, and the greater exchange of loan words among the Imperial languages, you might not get much difference?

Angevin French will be based on Amorican French not norman.