WI Lefebvre does not back out of May 5 1988 Agreement?

In OTL, he backed out the next day, eventually consecrating four bishops without the Holy See's consent, and ended up excommunicated. Would the changes in Summorum Pontificum or Ecclesia Dei have occured earlier if he had agreed to JPII's and Ratzinger's demands? What would the Church have looked like?

This is rather interesting. The gap between Intrads and Cons is greater than that between Outrads and Intrads. Lefebvre viewed both JPII and Ratzinger as Modernists but at this time he also strongly rejected sedevacantism. In OTL he warmed up to the possibility of sedevecantism in his last year.

The accommodation would be very awkward for all parties. JPII would view the SSPX as a ghetto for elderly Catholics nostalgic for the Tridentine rite. He would constantly chafe anytime Lefebvre says that some of documents of Vatican II (some of which JPII had help to write) contained heresies. The strategy in the Vatican would be to keep the SSPX isolated until Lefebvre and then try to convert it from Trad to Con. Part of the Agreement was that a single bishop was to be consecrated to replace Lefebvre. Would that be one of the 4 that Lefebvre consecrated? Which one?

Tom_B said:

This is rather interesting. The gap between Intrads and Cons is greater than that between Outrads and Intrads. Lefebvre viewed both JPII and Ratzinger as Modernists but at this time he also strongly rejected sedevacantism. In OTL he warmed up to the possibility of sedevecantism in his last year.

The accommodation would be very awkward for all parties. JPII would view the SSPX as a ghetto for elderly Catholics nostalgic for the Tridentine rite. He would constantly chafe anytime Lefebvre says that some of documents of Vatican II (some of which JPII had help to write) contained heresies. The strategy in the Vatican would be to keep the SSPX isolated until Lefebvre and then try to convert it from Trad to Con. Part of the Agreement was that a single bishop was to be consecrated to replace Lefebvre. Would that be one of the 4 that Lefebvre consecrated? Which one?

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Probably Fellay, IMHO. Williamson, as we all know... yeah... Lefebvre may not have approved of the concept of religious liberty, but he was never out-and-out anti-Semitic like Williamson was.

What do you mean by "Intrad," though? Do you mean those organizations that never broke off (like the FSSP and Una Voce) or the Lefebvrists?

Francisco Cojuanco said:

Probably Fellay, IMHO. Williamson, as we all know... yeah... Lefebvre may not have approved of the concept of religious liberty, but he was never out-and-out anti-Semitic like Williamson was.

What do you mean by "Intrad," though? Do you mean those organizations that never broke off (like the FSSP and Una Voce) or the Lefebvrists?

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Yeah by Intrads I mean those trads who remain at least nominally within the Church. The SSJV which was founded by Bishop de Castro Mayer who wasLefebvre's co-consecrator went from Outrad to Intrad in 2001.

The most likely choice for a single bishop successor to Lefebvre would be de Mallerais not Fellay.

Tom_B said:

Yeah by Intrads I mean those trads who remain at least nominally within the Church. The SSJV which was founded by Bishop de Castro Mayer who wasLefebvre's co-consecrator went from Outrad to Intrad in 2001.

The most likely choice for a single bishop successor to Lefebvre would be de Mallerais not Fellay.

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Ah, okay, then. Full disclosure then - I'm an Intrad.