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Old October 25th, 2010, 03:01 PM
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Not in his teens, but the Chaos TL has him dying before he can start his great conquests. The steppe people fall apart again, Ogadai later tries to get them together again, has some successes, but it's far from OTL.
I would think that a real change to the timeline would be having him live another ten years. Once past the few cities that had fighters who had experience fighting Moors, a disease devastated Europe would have been ripe pickings. I don't think The reconquest of Spain, Columbus or the Renaissance would have ever happened in such a Europe.
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Old October 25th, 2010, 03:23 PM
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Fidel Castro is accepted by the NY Yankees (Based on space Bats rumor for sure, in real life he did not posses the skills).
It was the Brooklyn Dodgers (just a nitpick )

The United States adopts a much more humanitarian Native American Policy including but not limited to: State Dept not War manages Indian affairs, all treaties are honored, Jackson is impeached for the Trail of Tears. ASB perhaps but would change the cultural and political makeup of the US.

Augustus puts in place an effective succession system that is stuck to.
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Old October 25th, 2010, 09:30 PM
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How about;
"Tail Gunner Joe" McCarthy is shot down during WWII - never lives to lead the witch hunt.

Col Jimmy Stewart stays in the AF after WWII, never returns to movies.

Curtis LeMay is shot down and killed in WWII - who takes his place at SAC?

AF keeps the Dyna-Soar Project and the Manned Orbiting Laboratory.

B-49 and other flying wind designs adopted in fifties- despite persistent canards in the popular press and among academics, my perusal of the documents at the AF Library leave me scratching my head on this one. A lot of the "control problems" that the historical commentators talk about are not actually much worse than any other bomber of the time - at least in the official source documents. I can recall one article that was talking about a 30 degree yaw - but when I went to the AF test report that they referenced, it was a 3 degree un-commanded yaw. If there was ever a discredit and disinformation program about a project, the B49 surely seems like one of them.

Richard Nixon becomes a political commentator and TV show host after losing the California Governor's Race.

Joe Kennedy Junior survives WWII

and in the ASB realm - Lee Harvey Oswald was using silver bullets...
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Old October 26th, 2010, 02:51 AM
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"Tail Gunner Joe" McCarthy is shot down during WWII - never lives to lead the witch hunt.
It's all too human to "blame" events on single causes and single individuals because such single "sparks" are easier to understand. Sadly, there rarely is just a single spark involved.

Kill off McCarthy and you do nothing to prevent the political tensions present in American society that he and many others exploited. Kill McCarthy and Hoover will find someone else to leak information to. Kill McCarthy and you'll change essentially nothing. Instead of the McCarthy Era or the McCarthy Hearings, you'll have the Smith Era or the Jones Hearings.

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Col Jimmy Stewart stays in the AF after WWII, never returns to movies.
He did stay in the Air Force, the reserves actually, and retired as a general. As for not returning to movies, something as simple as a "cosmetic" injury suffered during his WW2 service would suffice. Nothing of any consequence would change, other actors would get different roles and nothing more.

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Curtis LeMay is shot down and killed in WWII - who takes his place at SAC?
Plenty of other hard chargers in USAAF/USAF.

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AF keeps the Dyna-Soar Project and the Manned Orbiting Laboratory.
There are several threads and TLs examining different space races, many of them recent. Look for threads and posts by a member called "Truth is Life".

As for MOL, it's true mission as a manned spy satellite was one that would only work for a brief period. The technology bypassed the idea quite quickly.

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B-49 and other flying wind designs adopted in fifties...
Your research aside, I'll abide by the opinions of the many established aviation gearheads here who routinely point out that flying wings require fly-by-wire technology before they can be routinely used.

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Richard Nixon becomes a political commentator and TV show host after losing the California Governor's Race.
That's a rip-off from a published short story, right? Nixon becomes an alt-Carson of sorts, one who regularly uses a polygraph act on his show, and entertains Vice President Dan Quayle at his Hollywood home. I remember a scene in which Dick, Pat, and Dan enjoying cocktails in a hot tub.

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Joe Kennedy Junior survives WWII
Plenty of those here already. CalBear's active Anglo-Amercian/Nazi War TL features Joe Jr as POTUS for example.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 02:53 AM
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Old October 26th, 2010, 04:20 AM
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No Alien & Sedition Acts

Someone other than Jefferson gets Louisiana and decides that slavery is illegal in the new territories.

Very delayed Cotton gin

Hamilton lives to ripe old age
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Old October 26th, 2010, 08:27 PM
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No Alien & Sedition Acts

Someone other than Jefferson gets Louisiana and decides that slavery is illegal in the new territories.

Very delayed Cotton gin

Hamilton lives to ripe old age
See Sig. all are gonna happen two did.
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Old October 26th, 2010, 11:23 PM
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Old October 26th, 2010, 11:29 PM
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1744 French invasion of Britain successful
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Old October 26th, 2010, 11:59 PM
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1744 French invasion of Britain successful
As likely as Sealion?
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Old October 27th, 2010, 12:11 AM
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As likely as Sealion?
From my understanding, it would've worked had the French been luckier with the wind. The plan was good, but all their transports were wrecked in a storm.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 12:16 AM
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From my understanding, it would've worked had the French been luckier with the wind. The plan was good, but all their transports were wrecked in a storm.
Sounds similar to a certain underused POD: WI the Mongols weren't driven off by the storms as they invaded Japan?
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Old October 27th, 2010, 12:19 AM
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No one ever has a POD with the Ottomans crushing the Greek Revolution from lasting long enough to bring intervention by the European powers. Would be interesting to see the demographic changes in the Balkans.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 12:33 AM
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I'd like to see if a successful Urabi revolution could be pulled off in Egypt.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 12:46 AM
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That's an ASB PoD, and it would be sure to butterfly away at least Napoleon and Hitler.
Actually, that PoD isn't as ASB as it looks. The English Channel is part of a triple-junction geological system, with the Rhine Valley as the failed arm. There are similar triple-junction systems all over the world. Now, OTTL the North Sea opened up very wide; the English Channel opened to the moderate extent; and the Rhine Valey as I said didn't open at all.
Alternately if the EC opened wide and the North Sea opened only slightly, Britain might have been twisted around on its axis so that Land's End pointed to the 10 pm or 11 pm position, while the country lay much closer to the Friesian coast, Germany and Scandinavia--which would have made life interesting.
However if the geology had been slightly different, you could find the English Channel and North Sea opening very wide, for example, which would act to push Britain far to the northwest of its current position; which would mean that the islands of Britain and Ireland remained undiscovered until historic times, and may have been colonised by Scandinavian adventurers at the same time as Iceland, Vinland and Greenland. It's an interesting speculation.
Also, of course, the close proximity of the British Isles to Europe meant that the ice-sheets came down and smoothed Britain, Wales, Scotland and Ireland to a great extent. Had that not been so, their geography would have been a lot more rugged, which would have influenced the subsequent settlement and history of the islands in its own way.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 05:56 PM
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What happens if the Flight to Varennes is successful?
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Old October 30th, 2010, 06:08 PM
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See Sig. all are gonna happen two did.
Ah yes, I am familiar with your TL and enjoy it very much. But that's pretty much the only TL I can think of that has those.
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France granting citizenship rights to the Algerian Arabs sometime in the early 20th century, avoiding the later Algerian War.

The US state of Vermont remaining an independent republic (as it did IOTL for 14 years)

The Paris Commune blocking the Thiers gov't from access to the Bank of France

Christianity evolving somewhat differently-Arianism predominating or a version of Gnosticism having more influence

Christianity becoming the dominant religion among the Mongols outside of Mongolia instead of Islam

Karl Marx completing Capital, or Marx living a few years longer and continuing his research into non-Western societies or Marx being more specific about what a socialist society would be like

France falling into a civil war in the 1930s

Nixon definitively winning in 1960 or Gore definitively winning in 2000

The Western powers-the US, UK, France, Germany, moving to the left after the economic crisis of te early 70s instead of to the right

Check out: "Rubber, Revolutionaries, Republicans, and a Young man named Bonaparte, Oh my!" Re: The Paris Commune blocking Thiers from getting to the Bank of France. Joho
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Old June 30th, 2011, 07:00 AM
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Guy Fawkes and co. succeed in blowing the parliment building up during the Gunpowder Plot of 1605.
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Old June 30th, 2011, 07:03 AM
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Not in his teens, but the Chaos TL has him dying before he can start his great conquests. The steppe people fall apart again, Ogadai later tries to get them together again, has some successes, but it's far from OTL.
Chaos TL??????
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