WI: Sweden aids Finland in the Winter War

[Nicole]

I've read that there was alot of support for the Finns in Sweden during their Winter War against the USSR. What if Sweden decided to enter the War? IIRC, in OTL they came very close. Could they have made a different against the Red Army? If the Finnish-Swedish alliance is still forced to give up, what peace terms will the Soviets force on the Swedes?

[Tielhard]

what peace terms will the Soviets force on the Swedes?

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[mattep74]

Originally Posted by Imajin

I've read that there was alot of support for the Finns in Sweden during their Winter War against the USSR. What if Sweden decided to enter the War? IIRC, in OTL they came very close. Could they have made a different against the Red Army? If the Finnish-Swedish alliance is still forced to give up, what peace terms will the Soviets force on the Swedes?

Enter the war WITH WHAT? We sent 1/3 of our small airforce to Finland as it was and lots of weapons and ammo. The soldiers on guard against Germany almost didnt have weapons at it was.

[Nicole]

Originally Posted by mattep74

Enter the war WITH WHAT? We sent 1/3 of our small airforce to Finland as it was and lots of weapons and ammo. The soldiers on guard against Germany almost didnt have weapons at it was.

Really? Hm, that does through a wrench into going to war with the USSR... I wonder, would this result in more nations joining against the USSR?
However, there is yet another wrench thrown into this: Adolf Hitler. He stated that Western troops entering Sweden to pass into Finland would be met with a Nazi invasion of Sweden.
To my knowledge, this fact means that Swedes allowing Western passage is effectively ASB.

[Dave Bender]

He stated that Western troops entering Sweden to pass into Finland would be met with a Nazi invasion of Sweden.

Another blunder by Hitler. Finland was a chance for Germany to make common cause with Britain and France, against Stalin's Soviet Union.

[Hyperion]

If Sweden had entered the war against the USSR, could the governments of both Sweden and Finland have asked Norway to help them? Even if Norway were to refuse, the Norwegian government might start appealing the the British, at the time the French, and the US for weapons, especially things such as fighters, and maybe some tanks for defense of cities, and maybe some AAA guns.

[Grimm Reaper]

Probably the most likely and best outcome for the USSR is that a Swedish-Finnish alliance is formed and, given guarantees by Stockholm as to neutrality, Stalin comes to some sort of arrangement leaving Finland out of the war in 1941. Mutual benefits for all involved.

Alternately Sweden enters the war on the Axis side. In the long run Allied bombers being able to destroy Swedish industry helps win the war as ball bearings and other specialist items can't be sold to Germany. In the short run the Axis probably cut off Murmansk and destroy Leningrad.

[Matthew Craw]

Originally Posted by Grimm Reaper

Probably the most likely and best outcome for the USSR is that a Swedish-Finnish alliance is formed and, given guarantees by Stockholm as to neutrality, Stalin comes to some sort of arrangement leaving Finland out of the war in 1941. Mutual benefits for all involved.

I hbelieve something like that was proposed sometime during 1940, but the Soviets blocked it to keep their Northern neighbour weak. Insert sound of Homer Simpson saying "d'oh" . . .

[Max Sinister]

@Dave: But Germany was at war with France and Britain at that time already. I don't think they would've changed their mind, even if it's against Stalin.

[Dave Bender]

I don't think they would've changed their mind, even if it's against Stalin.

Maybe not. But I would have at least made the attempt.

The problem is that after Hitler broke his word over Czechoslovakia the British wanted nothing to do with Germany. And I don't blame them.

[Jason]

I wonder if there was a different PM therr might be a way for it to work. As long as Churchill is in charge (and thank god he was) there was no chance of peace with Germany. When we allied with the Soviet's after the German invasion he came in for some stick on the alliance-should we be allied with the evil Commies sort of thing. Churchill's answer was (roughly) "If Hitler invaded Hell, I'd make an alliance with the Devil".

Maybe if Churchill somehow no longer PM (say the Germans still loose the Battle of Britain but Britian suffers worse during it or some of the idiot upper class surrender monkey managed to fore him to resign), a slightly weaker and (dare I say it) more old fashioned PM might decide the Soviets were even worse than the Germans...

Hopefully someone will declare this ASB

Originally Posted by Dave Bender

[I]The problem is that after Hitler broke his word over Czechoslovakia the British wanted nothing to do with Germany. And I don't blame them.