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[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

How about Italy? Seeing as it's actually a country and all

[LordInsane]

Originally Posted by Emperor-of-New-Zealand

How about Italy? Seeing as it's actually a country and all

An actual country with islands large enough to show up on the Worlda map, at that. Really, that UCS seems arbitrary in its own way- Soviet Union in the future? Cascadia, Texas and California, but not several large countries with islands and straits necessiating that black border *inside* the country's border?

[Lord Hastur of Carcosa]

Originally Posted by Emperor-of-New-Zealand

How about Italy? Seeing as it's actually a country and all

That is a common misconception.

[Aranfan]

Originally Posted by Aranfan

Why does the Roman Empire have two colors?

I repeat my question.

[Ofaloaf]

Originally Posted by Aranfan

I repeat my question.

I wasn't aware that it did. There's a color for Rome/Sardinia-Piedmont/Italy (brown), a color for the EU (light teal), a color for the Papal States (very light yellow), and a color for Venice (more medium-ish teal).

[Aranfan]

Originally Posted by Ofaloaf

I wasn't aware that it did. There's a color for Rome/Sardinia-Piedmont/Italy (brown), a color for the EU (light teal), a color for the Papal States (very light yellow), and a color for Venice (more medium-ish teal).

The "Byzantine" Empire is the Roman Empire. The Western Roman Empire may have collapsed in the 500s, but the Eastern Roman Empire soldiered on until 1453, when Constantinople fell.

[Alex Richards]

Originally Posted by Aranfan

The "Byzantine" Empire is the Roman Empire. The Western Roman Empire may have collapsed in the 500s, but the Eastern Roman Empire soldiered on until 1453, when Constantinople fell.

To cut a long story short, the Roman Colour is also the Italian Colour, so as the Byzantine Empire existed concurrently with Piedemont, we can't have the same colour for both. Then, because the Greeks harked back to the Byzantines (which was more Greek than Roman towards the end) it makes sense to use the same colour for Greece and Byzantium.

[Aranfan]

Originally Posted by Alex Richards

To cut a long story short, the Roman Colour is also the Italian Colour, so as the Byzantine Empire existed concurrently with Piedemont, we can't have the same colour for both. Then, because the Greeks harked back to the Byzantines (which was more Greek than Roman towards the end) it makes sense to use the same colour for Greece and Byzantium.

Wouldn't it make more sense to pick a different color for Rome then? Because Italy is not Rome, and the Greeks are not the "Byzantines".

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by Helios Ra

There's a shortage of drastically different colors. I'll see what I can do to fix it.



Originally it was because I wanted the two rows even, and I needed another thing. It seemed like a good choice to represent the Mayas and Central America as well.


I've added some more fixes, so what about now? Any other suggestsions for color changes, or just taking off colors for certain nations entirely?

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Kazakhstan needs a different color, it's far to similar to Vietnam and Russia. Ukraine has absolutely no need for a color.

[Ski]

Originally Posted by Scifiguy

Kazakhstan needs a different color, it's far to similar to Vietnam and Russia. Ukraine has absolutely no need for a color.

This is quite perplexing since you are debating colours for Vietnam and Kazakhstan then deny the importance for Ukraine as to receive a colour. Would just like to know the reasoning behind it that is all.

[Nietzsche]

Originally Posted by Aranfan

Wouldn't it make more sense to pick a different color for Rome then? Because Italy is not Rome, and the Greeks are not the "Byzantines".

Since 'Italy' was the power-center of Rome, Italy gets the colour. 'Greece' was the power-center of Byzantium, and therefore, gets that colour.

[Aranfan]

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

Since 'Italy' was the power-center of Rome, Italy gets the colour. 'Greece' was the power-center of Byzantium, and therefore, gets that colour.

Except that there was no distinction between the two. It's like saying that having moved the capital from Philadelphia to DC, the USA was no longer the same nation.

Or that we need unique colors for all of those different Chinese dynasties.

[Alex Richards]

Originally Posted by Aranfan

Except that there was no distinction between the two. It's like saying that having moved the capital from Philadelphia to DC, the USA was no longer the same nation.

Or that we need unique colors for all of those different Chinese dynasties.

You mean apart from the fact that the WRE was a Catholic, Italy-centered state that spoke Latin when it collapsed in 475AD, and the ERE was an Orthodox, Aegean-Centered State that spoke Greek when it collapsed in 1453?

[Ofaloaf]

Originally Posted by Aranfan

Except that there was no distinction between the two. It's like saying that having moved the capital from Philadelphia to DC, the USA was no longer the same nation.

Well, how the devil would you chart a UCS map of Europe (or the world) in 450 AD? Theodosius II wasn't the ruler of both the Western and Eastern Empires.

Or, more importantly, how would you chart a map of Europe in 1400? Both Savoy, a predecessor of Sardinia-Piedmont (and in turn France) and the Eastern empire existed at the same time. Current practice is to simply use Italian Brown for Savoy and Grecian Purple for the Eastern Roman Empire.