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[Ofaloaf]

Turkey and Saudia Arabia's colors are terribly close to each other. How is one supposed to tell when one is looking at the Caliphate or Ottoman Empire at first glance?

[Megaton]

This might seem like nitpicking since it's my country, but if Finland is to get its own colour (which I think would be a slightly useless thing to do, anyway, it's not like its territory has changed drastically that many times -but I'm not complaining ), I think it should be a little darker. The one in Helios Ra's map - and it has appeared in some others aswell - is almost indistinguishable from the EU's colour in that map, you *can* see the EU colour around Finland's borders too if you look really closely but yeah, a little too bright in my opinion.

[Helios Ra]

Originally Posted by AustinMontreal

Wouldn't Iraq and Afghanistan be shown as American occupied?

I suppose they would, but I didn't really want to get into occupation, claims, etc. at this time, though I suppose it would be necessary for a final version.

Originally Posted by Ski

Its all fine except a newer colour for Ukraine has been suggested on other maps. It is green too but much a lighter electric green. See link

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=3130824&postcount=3058

That would be better. I'll add it.

Originally Posted by Megaton

This might seem like nitpicking since it's my country, but if Finland is to get its own colour (which I think would be a slightly useless thing to do, anyway, it's not like its territory has changed drastically that many times -but I'm not complaining ), I think it should be a little darker. The one in Helios Ra's map - and it has appeared in some others aswell - is almost indistinguishable from the EU's colour in that map, you *can* see the EU colour around Finland's borders too if you look really closely but yeah, a little too bright in my opinion.

Normally I dislike darker colors, but I'm inclined to agree. I'd change France as well, but its been that way for longer than Finland, and I wouldn't want to offend anybody.

Originally Posted by Ofaloaf

Turkey and Saudia Arabia's colors are terribly close to each other. How is one supposed to tell when one is looking at the Caliphate or Ottoman Empire at first glance?

Those colors did not originate with me, but I agree. How about a darker Arabia/Caliphate and lighter Turkey?


Thanks for not hating it though. That's always nice.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Ofaloaf

Turkey and Saudia Arabia's colors are terribly close to each other. How is one supposed to tell when one is looking at the Caliphate or Ottoman Empire at first glance?

To me it would be easier to confuese a Caliphate with an Uber Ukraine.

[Helios Ra]

Is this better? (I still haven't done occupations.)

EDIT: New update is farther down the page.

[kent]

ok, I have no idea what a UCS is.

[A.M. Turtle]

Originally Posted by kent

ok, I have no idea what a UCS is.

The decided color of countries on map

[Orioes]

Originally Posted by kent

ok, I have no idea what a UCS is.

It is supposed to be a standardized system of colors for maps but in reality it is a couple dozen different systems that are only standardized in the sense that the major powers have approximately the same colors.

Has anyone ever gone through and defined the colors in terms of RGB, HSV or Hex? I think it might help prevent this from happening:




thus freeing up colors and adding some functionality such as the ability to say "Ok to represent dominions take the dominant power's color and decrease its saturation by X amount".

[Emperor-of-New-Zealand]

Originally Posted by Helios Ra

Is this better? (I still haven't done occupations.

So many colours are nearly exactly the same (Nigeria, Cambodia, Serbia, New Zealand...).

Why does Guatemala have a colour?

[Alex Richards]

Originally Posted by Orioes

Has anyone ever gone through and defined the colors in terms of RGB, HSV or Hex? I think it might help prevent this from happening:

thus freeing up colors and adding some functionality such as the ability to say "Ok to represent dominions take the dominant power's color and decrease its saturation by X amount".

Well, for RGB I can give the following. All are in the order R, G, B:

USSR: 255, 0, 0
China: 0, 255, 0
Japan: 255, 255, 0

[Helios Ra]

Originally Posted by Emperor-of-New-Zealand

So many colours are nearly exactly the same (Nigeria, Cambodia, Serbia, New Zealand...).

There's a shortage of drastically different colors. I'll see what I can do to fix it.

Why does Guatemala have a colour?

Originally it was because I wanted the two rows even, and I needed another thing. It seemed like a good choice to represent the Mayas and Central America as well.


I've added some more fixes, so what about now? Any other suggestsions for color changes, or just taking off colors for certain nations entirely?

[Zajir]

Uzbekistan needs a colour as it is the most populous central asian state, also this colour could be used to symbolise the Timurid Empire.

[Gandavien]

Most of the UCS now seems to have been developed from giving countries a colour for the sake of giving countries a colour.

[Maharajah]

Originally Posted by Zajir

Uzbekistan needs a colour as it is the most populous central asian state, also this colour could be used to symbolise the Timurid Empire.

The color for Iran is used for the Timurid empire...

[Lord Hastur of Carcosa]

Is there a color for Occitania or other "non state"-nations?

[Orioes]

Originally Posted by Gandavien

Most of the UCS now seems to have been developed from giving countries a colour for the sake of giving countries a colour.

Yes, that is a major problem with the current system. At some point we should come up with clearer criteria and process for the assignment of colors and modifications/updates of the UCS.

Originally Posted by Transparent Blue

Helios Ra, I suggest that you include my "auxiliary country" idea that is described here (the example may not apply, but you get the point), or at least something like it. This would allow you to remove a lot of less common countries, resulting in far less confusion.

I also think that there can never be a "final" UCS, only an official set that updates whenever needed, using some method. However, in order for any progress to be made, there really needs to be a way of designating a certain "official" version, otherwise the situation is rather chaotic.

Hmm, perhaps we should form a UCS Board to maintain, update and define the "Official UCS Standard" and any addenda and side projects.

Originally Posted by Lord Hastur of Carcosa

Is there a color for Occitania or other "non state"-nations?

Not to my knowledge. The UCS is usually used for nation-states or the equivalent though now that I think about it a system for ethnicities/cultures/religions would be useful in some contexts.

[Aranfan]

Why does the Roman Empire have two colors?

[Helios Ra]

Originally Posted by Transparent Blue

Helios Ra, I suggest that you include my "auxiliary country" idea that is described here (the example may not apply, but you get the point), or at least something like it. This would allow you to remove a lot of less common countries, resulting in far less confusion.

I see what you mean, but as I understand it the point of the UCS is to have one color representing a specific country/its direct predecessors throughout the ages, which makes assigning a single color for no particular country, indeed an infinte number of countries corresponding with the whim of a map maker, against the intent of the UCS.

I also think that there can never be a "final" UCS, only an official set that updates whenever needed, using some method. However, in order for any progress to be made, there really needs to be a way of designating a certain "official" version, otherwise the situation is rather chaotic.

Certainly. I think the senior map people should come together and design something new. Mine is only a suggested update, not a definitive color scheme.

[Aranfan]

Originally Posted by Helios Ra

I see what you mean, but as I understand it the point of the UCS is to have one color representing a specific country/its direct predecessors throughout the ages, which makes assigning a single color for no particular country, indeed an infinte number of countries corresponding with the whim of a map maker, against the intent of the UCS.

Still, it would be useful to have some auxiliary colors for stuff like powerful communist states. For Red Germany/America/Britain TLs at least.

[Ofaloaf]

Why should California, Texas, and Cascadia (Cascadia! New England's more likely than that) get their own UCS colors?