A different fate for Saxony

During the Congress of Vienna Prussia demanded to annex all of Saxony while Russia backed them up with the intention of taking Galicia from Austria but when Napoleon returned to France all of the powers resolved their disputes and the crisis was averted. But what if Napoleon had a fatal hart attack while on Elba? There have been other discussions about this and those came up Prussia giving up Silesia for Saxony and a lot of other German for compensation (but that's sort of controversial) and even a cold war with Britain and France vs. Prussia, Austria, and Russia.

I would like to here more thoughts about this and I'm interested on what this would do to German nationalism.
 

Eurofed

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I have a PoD for this scenario as part of my United States of the Americas and Oceania TL, although in a slightly different form that you imply (Napoleon plays a part).

During the Congress of Vienna, Russia and Prussia come to blows with Austria, Bourbon France, and Britain over the Poland-Saxony plan. Murat has an epiphany and sides with Russia and Prussia. While the former allies are fighting, Napoleon stages his comeback, and turns the war into a three-way fight. This wrecks the chances of Austria and Britain. Austria is steamrolled by the Russo-Prussians, who also take Hanover. Napoleon crushes the British at Waterloo (no Blucher to save Wellington) and takes the Low Countries, however after some months of fighting, he is vanquished by superior Russo-Prussian numbers. The war government in Britain, also reeling by the defeats in the Americas (ITTL Canada sided with the Rebels in 1774, owning to an oppressing Quebec Act, and the Federalists remained in office in the early 1800s, building a much better US military, so America kicks Redcoat butt in Rupert's Land and the Caribbean in the War of 1812) collapses and Britain pleads peace.

At the reconvened Congress of Vienna, Russia, Prussia, and Naples dictate peace:

Russia annexes Finland, Congress Poland, Posen, Krakow, Galicia, Bukovina, and gets free hands to do as it pleases with Turkey. In a few years, it crushes the Ottomans, annexes Georgia, all Armenia, Moldavia, Wallachia, Bulgaria, and Vardar Macedonia. Greece (with Thessaly, Aegean Macedonia, and Crete) becomes a Russian vassal. Austria is allowed to get Bosnia and Serbia.

The Straits become a free zone under the control of the powers.

Prussia annexes Rhineland-Westphalia, Saxony, Hanover, and Bohemia-Moravia, and becomes the unquestioned leader of the German Confederation.

Murattian Naples gains Lombardy and Venetia. Tuscany, Parma, and Modena are united as the Kingdom of Etruria under the Bourbon-Parma dynasty. Savoy-Piedmont includes Nice, Savoy, Piedmont, Corsica, and Sardinia as the Kingdom of Sardinia. Since Orthodox Russia and Protestant Prussia don't care as much about the territorial integrity of the Papal States, Ferrara and Bologna are given to Etruria and Ravenna, Romagna and Marche are given to Murat to build a land connection between his northern and southern possessions. The Pope keeps Umbria and Latium. Naples also annexes Albania and Montenegro when Russia defeats the Ottomans.

France loses Alsace and Lorraine to the newly created kingdom of Burgundy, which is given to the former king of Saxony, and Nice, Savoy, and Corsica to Sardinia. However it keeps young Napoleon II on the throne (the victors distrust the Bourbon as much as Napoleon I at this point).

Austria is made to renounce its Imperial title and becomes the Kingdom of Austria. It loses Bohemia-Moravia, Galicia, Bukovina, and all Italian possessions, but keeps the rest.

Made confident by his great successes, Tsar Alexander I concedes a moderate liberal constitution, and his Prussian and Neapolitan allies follow his example, as does Napoleonic France. Liberal policies start all four countries on the way to economic boom and sweeping industrialization. Prussia and Naples become a liberal-nationalist magnet for the other German and Italian states (including Austria).

In the early 1830s, liberal-nationalist revolution sweeps Germany, Austria, and Italy. Prussia unifies Greater Germany, Naples unifies Italy (including Trento, Kustenland, and Dalmatia), Hungary became an independent Kingdom with Slovakia and Transylvania and a federal union with Croatia-Slavonia, a client of Germany, Russia, and Italy. Bosnia and Serbia became a kingdom in real union with Hungary. With support by the liberal great powers (especially France), the liberals win the civil wars in Spain and Portugal. The Pope and the Curia flee to Iberia when revolution sweeps Rome, and support the reactionaries in the civil war and across Europe, so the liberal great powers put them under undeclared house arrest as theocratic subversive troublemakers. This provokes an unofficial schism between liberals and conservatives in the Catholic Church.

Otherwise of their cooperation about the Iberian and Papal messes, the great powers remain locked into a Cold War, the Eastern Alliance of Russia, Germany, Italy, and Hungary squared against the Western block of Britain, France, Spain, and Portugal, up into the mid 1850s.

Germany snatches Schleswig-Holstein from Denmark in a quick war. This spurs Denmark, Norway, and Sweden to unify in the Scandinavian Confederation.

The Ottoman Empire, teetering on the brink of collapse, sees the secession of Egypt, which gains Sudan and Hejaz. France colonizes Algeria, Germany colonizes Morocco, Italy colonizes Tunisia and Libya.

Britain, reeling from the defeats in North America and Europe, focuses on rebuilding an Empire, and snatches Chile-Argentina-Uruguay from Spain, western Indonesia from Netherlands, and starts forcing its penetration in China (soon followed by the other eager great powers).

The USA, in the meanwhile, has been steadily expanding with intervention against Spain on the side of the South American revolutionaries (that made them strongly pro-USA), and the various victorious wars against France, Britain, and Mexico. Long Federalist political dominance up to the 1830s led to strong investments into internal infrastructure, industrialization, and the military, which substantially accelerated US economic development and the colonization of the West (as well as making America a military power to be reckoned). On the eve of the American Civil War the USA includes all North America (except UK NFL & Vancouver island, Russian Alaska, southern Mexico & Central America, which are US protectorates for now), Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, the Guyanas, Hispaniola. It is locked into a strategic rivalry with Britain over British South America.

The American Civil War happens in 1856, with the secession of the slave-holding Southern NA and Caribbean states against the Northern NA and South American antislavery states. Intervention of the Western Alliance on the side of the Confederacy brings the Eastern Alliance on the side of the Union, and the ACW turns into the first World War.
 
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Does Russia incorporate whole Poland or creates Kingdom of Poland with tsar as the king and liberal constitution as it happened IOTL? In that case Kingdom is quite big - it is pretty much Duchy of Warsaw + western Galicia and Cracow. That would make tsar Alexander very popular among the Poles as long as he honors the constitution. If so, he has strong nad LOYAL kingdom as shield for Russia's western border and potential hammer against Austria and Prussia. Not to mention an interesting training field for his liberal plans for Russia.
 

Eurofed

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Does Russia incorporate whole Poland or creates Kingdom of Poland with tsar as the king and liberal constitution as it happened IOTL? In that case Kingdom is quite big - it is pretty much Duchy of Warsaw + western Galicia and Cracow. That would make tsar Alexander very popular among the Poles as long as he honors the constitution. If so, he has strong nad LOYAL kingdom as shield for Russia's western border and potential hammer against Austria and Prussia. Not to mention an interesting training field for his liberal plans for Russia.

Indeed the latter scenario is what happens ITTL. Poland gets its autonomy and liberal constitution (which becomes a template for the ones of Russia, Prussia/Germany, and Naples/Italy) and remains fairly content during Alexander I's lifespan (he lives up to 1840 ITTL). After his death, there is revolutionary unrest in the Russian Empire because his more conservative successor Constantine tries to give a reactionary spin to the constitutions of Russia and Poland, so there are rebellions in Russia, Poland, Finland, and the Balkans. Poland also gets unrest for religious reasons, because of the conservative/liberal split in the Catholic Church. But the Polish and Russian Constitutions have been around for almost three decades now, even with the rebellions, the Tsar does not dare return to autocracy and centralization (moreover, Constantine is not as radical a reactionary as Nikolai). He indeed puts some conservative spin to the regime, but ITTL Constantine shall be succeeded by liberal Alexander II that shall undo the damage and put Russia and Poland back on the road to liberalism and national autonomy. Poland ought not to fare too bad ITTL.

By the way, Russia, Prussia/Germany, and Naples/Italy remain BFF during the 1800s, as they have found a working strategic relationship (the allies support Russian hegemony in the Balkans and the Middle East and invest in its economy, Russia gives the allies access to its huge markets and supports them in Western/Central Europe and the Mediterranean) and make common ground against the Anglo-French-Spanish bloc. Austria was doomed after the Napoleonic Wars, the defeat had crippled it and it was surrounded by hostile great powers that encouraged the German and Magyar liberals to rebel with their example. Entrenching into autocratic paralysis only accelerated its fall.
 
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Grey Wolf

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A good way for the Polish situation is for Constantine to have male children - he had been governor of Poland for the Tsar and the Decembrists obviously fancied him a better bet than Nikolai. If he does not pass over his rights, he would inherit from Aleksandr I and you could see a longer union of Russia and Poland, with the latter remaining distinct

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Grey Wolf
 

Eurofed

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A good way for the Polish situation is for Constantine to have male children - he had been governor of Poland for the Tsar and the Decembrists obviously fancied him a better bet than Nikolai. If he does not pass over his rights, he would inherit from Aleksandr I and you could see a longer union of Russia and Poland, with the latter remaining distinct

Indeed. Or alternatively, him being Tsar butterflies away his early death and he survives Nicolai, so the throne passes from Constantine to Aleksandr II. All these guys died by infectious disease, quite subject to butterflies.
 
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