Dimension 398 or How a Few Bacteria Changed the Course of History

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Mumby

I've noticed a preponderance of Greek names in North America. So, why not Elysia? The name Nova Sparta could be quite interesting. And you could name it after Athens somehow...

Well they aren't going to be super greek fans, that was more a fad of the period of conflict with Rome.

Also, thank you everyone for 50 000 views! All I have to say is: WOW!

[Beedok]

The Third World War
(Lyons 1924)

The Royal India Company was thrown into disarray by the outbreak of the Third World War, her armies having shrunk significantly since the loophole seeking of the Age of Revolutions left her no match for the might of East Britain. By the time the French Army arrived in India the RIC was actually willing to part with most of her control over French India in exchange for soldiers. The French general, Adam Broglie, was swift in his action, trying to make up for the East British initiative advantage (it being their home turf after all), and demanded from the various minor states of West India (mainly remnants of the fall of the Marathas and Mysore Kingdom) affirmations as to where their allegiances lay. Those Indian states mostly chose to side with the French, realising that if the East British won their days were numbered anyway, while commands from Paris would likely be distant and sporadic, leaving them with significant independence. A few states however turned to East Britain for protection, especially once their enemies chose France. The sudden widening of the front caught the East British off guard, allowing the French swift assault into what had previously been border regions with neutral powers. East Britain’s numbers however allowed her to redeploy soldiers quickly while not greatly weakening her initial offensives. The French however began shipping over large quantities of grinder guns, having seen their effectiveness against the endless armies of India during the British War of Succession. Broglie also set in motion the creation of factories and other infrastructure in directly French controlled regions of India (as small coastal strip of French India over all), feeling that coal imports would be easier to supply than munitions imports, and also allowing a faster response for any change in requirements.

The Franco-Dutch forces were able to gain the advantage in the East Indies fairly quickly though, and naval bombardment of several Indonesian and Javan cities forced Empress Diana I to sortie her naval forces against the Franco-Dutch fleet, even though they were heavily outnumbered the threat of revolt or surrender by the Islands out of a belief India cared nothing for them was too great for her to risk. The East British Royal Navy fought valiantly at several engagements, but numbers and ship quality told in battle after battle and the Franco-Dutch force. The European’s control of the sea gave their forces a mobility advantage that allowed them to force the East British to ship vast amounts of troops to every coastal city in their Empire. This gave the French ground forces some reprieve, as well as the mobilisation of the armies of the Princely Realms of French India. the French also managed to rile up some Hindu sentimentalism, painting the East British as trying to set themselves up in a position similar to the Moghuls and favouring Muslims over Hindus, pointing out the numerous powerful Muslims within East Britain, twisting the East British method of making little changes to regions they conquered into the East British trying to use Muslims as their primary enforces. Of course it was not entirely the French lying so much as their belief that the East British felt the Muslims, as a minority but still larger of a group than Christians in India, would be more loyal if left in power, a belief that may not have been entirely misplaced at this stage.

Despite these successes the East British still clearly had numbers on their side and General Broglie was forced to request further reinforcements from France. Paris was somewhat annoyed by this development, but as Prussia and Rome could easily handle the Hapsburg powers, and France herself had done very little fighting in Europe, due to a belief that if they acted the war would be over far too quickly to have inspired proper nationalism in the peasants of Europe, and so they felt that shipping men off to India would at least prove a good excuse for why they sat in their borders instead of reaching out and taking Vienna. The French also forced Spain to ship off soldiers as well, the tropical climate of east Britain not proving the best on the more northerly Frenchmen. France was by the peak of the war able to ship nearly 350 000 men, with 80 000 Spaniards and 50 000 Dutch troops supporting them as well as close to 200 000 Sepoys and Princely soldiers, against the slightly over 2.6 million soldiers that East Britain could muster. However the Europeans had the advantage of grinder guns, but more importantly disciplined modern tactics, allowing them to keep together better and outmaneuver the enemy in battle. The East British were not terrible at tactics, but they suffered from too many languages in their army and their last war time experience being against the horribly outnumbered Australians, a very different kind of war. However numbers were still telling and the East British seemed destined to eventually win, her armies never exceeded a peak of 2 610 000 men, but they were quick to recover from losses at any battle too, leaving the likely end result being the gradual bleeding of either France’s male population or the treasuries of both nations.

By 1854 the war had been raging a bit more than a year, and Australia had been cut off by the Franco-Dutch navy, when the white settlers in the south began a rebellion against the overstretched and nervous Indian garrison on the dwarf continent. Seeing a chance for major success the French quickly shipped the Queen Mother and her Daughter (Matilda) to Australia with a complement of 2 000 French soldiers to help secure whatever they could. Unfortunately for the French the Anangu proved somewhat resilient to French efforts of conquering Australia, but the French were at least gaining victories that looked impressive when shown on a map.

After another year of bloodshed in India, vast but tentative gains in Australia, and the Hapsburg’s having retreated to mountain fortresses that blocked the Romans from gaining any further ground leaving Prussia to face most of the Hapsburg armies alone, the French populace was beginning to see their government as stretching the war out pointlessly (which was of course true) the Prime Minister d’Elbeuf now feared that the somewhat artificial war could result in protest in place of cheering and demanded that his generals end things swiftly. As such the French armies in Europe moved forward across the Rhine, a measly 100 000 men but with the Hapsburgs stretched to the breaking point it was enough to throw them into a panic. The armies in India meanwhile were told to hit hard, and enacted the rather insane idea of a naval assault of Calcutta, managing to land 40 000 men just south of the city and another 20 000 somewhat to the east the French armies burned and pillaged as much as they could in the Ganges Delta, hoping to scare the East British. As a bit of luck the Dominion of Africa saw this as a chance to continue her attempts to conquer Africa and invaded the former Mozambique regions that had fallen under Madagascaran influence, further worsening the position of the Hapsburg-Hanoverian alliance.

The Hapsburgs were quick to ask for terms, and the East British grudgingly joined in negotiations at Lisbon. The French demanded that Bavaria be made its own separate Kingdom within the Hapsburg realms. Prussia demanded Moravia be given recognition. Rome demanded the Italian speaking lands under Hapsburg rule. France demanded all of New Guinea, all of Borneo, and several naval bases on Madagascar, as well as control over the previously independent regions of India that had sided with East Britain during the war. The Dominion of Africa declared her control over all of Mazambique secure. Finally the Kingdom of Ocean under Queen Matilda I was declared, that branch of the Hanoverians being given the south of Australia in exchange for giving up all claims to either Britain or East Britain, her juvenile queen betrothed to a young French prince. The losing powers grudgingly accepted all the terms. The only issue, who would sit on the throne of Bavaria, was soon dealt with in a surprising manner.

[W.W.A.F.T.]

Originally Posted by Beedok

Maybe Yankee, Canadien, Amerind, Caribbean though, although Ycac is hard to say. Acycian?

would tyhat be pronounced a-key-see-an or some other way?

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by W.W.A.F.T.

would that be pronounced a-key-see-an or some other way?

I was thinking A-sey-zian as the pronounciation, but it would probably vary a bit from accent zone to accent zone.

[Beedok]

The Second Hungarian Republic: 1856-1882
(Bratislava 1951)

The failure of the Habsburgs during the Third World War, and the clear enmity that France directed at the dynasty, caused the popularity of the monarchy in Hungary to plummet from its already precarious position. It was the Anarchists who moved first, attempting to assassinate the King, forcing him to flee over the border to Austria. The other factions of Hungary however found the Anarchists as bad as the Monarchy and the Free State of Hungary that was declared when the Anarchists stormed the royal palace was overthrown within hours and replaced with the Second Hungarian Republic. The Republic had a rather fragile situation, and moved quickly to affirm that they recognised the Republic of Moravia as independent as long as all powers recognised the rest of Hungary’s lands (fearing possible revolt in Dalmatia and Slovakia). The Prussians accepted these terms (they cared little for other minorities in Hungary) and France also agreed to the terms. The Habsburgs however did not and attempted to retake Hungary. Triestian armies quickly invaded Hungarian Dalmatia, cutting off the nation’s sea access, while Austrian and Bavarian armies invaded along the Danube. The German force was met with the bulk of the Hungarian army (Dalmatia being suddenly filled with South Slavic Piguerre warriors) and was soon beaten back, the Hungarian soldiers being more enthusiastic than the tired and defeated Germans. The Hungarians were soon pushing into Austria itself, and this caused the French to panic (not wanting Germany to once more burst into revolution) and with the assistance of Russia, the Porte and Prussia managed to force a ceasefire between the Habsburgs and Hungarians. Initial the borders were meant to go for the initial Kingdom of Hungarian, but when the Hungarians withdrew from Austria the Habsburg armies remained in Dalmatia. The Hungarians were outraged, but despite dislike for Habsburgs it was clear that the monarchies of Europe preferred to keep the number of republics to a minimum and enjoyed them being as weak as possible.

The Great Egyptian Revolt
(Oea[1] 1922)

The Egyptian people had been growing more and more enraged with the brutal rule of the Porte during the 1840s and 1850s following their failed bid for independence during the 1839 Revolutions period. By 1855 things came to a head when a farmer refused to leave his farm when the Empire’s soldiers tried to evict him to replace him with a Turkish settler and the soldiers killed him[2]. The surrounding towns were soon up in arms over this outrage and managed to either kill or chase off the local Ottoman garrison. The Porte began shipping more soldiers to the region from elsewhere in Egypt, but when rumour spread of what happened those other regions were soon rising up as well. Within a matter of weeks most of the Nile valley was up in arms. The Ottomans sent in more troops from elsewhere, but Russia began moving troops to the borders and the Empire began to fear that if they showed weakness the Russians would invade, and so they were forced to deploy troops to the border regions as well, and unrest in the recently conquered parts of Arabia stretched their armies further.

The confusion caused by the revolt delayed Ottoman response long enough that the Eyptians managed to form proper militias, and they managed to force back the Ottoman efforts to retake any part of the Nile. This made supplying attacks difficult for the Ottomans who had to therefore make all attacks across the desert. Unfortunately the superior discipline of the Ottoman regulars told and after 8 months of fighting they managed to gain a foothold in the Nile delta after an amphibious assault. The fighting up the Nile was incredibly fierce, but by late 1856 the Ottomans had reached Cairo itself and were besieging the city. All seemed lost until the Roman government declared that they could no longer stand aside and allow the Ottomans to unleash such cruelty. A Roman army soon invaded Libya from Carthage while troops where shipped off to the Nile delta, a fierce naval battle breaking out between the two modern fleets. Neither could gain much of an edge over the other, however the Roman soldiers were able to get supplies from supportive Egyptian citizens, while the Ottomans were harassed constantly, meaning that the Roman forces could survive when their naval support was cut off, while the Ottoman forces had a much harder time of things. The Ottomans turned to France for support at this time, but matters elsewhere were occupying Paris’ attention.

The Ulcer: A history of Spain from Restoration to Annexation
(Madrid 2005)

With the return of Spanish forces from the fighting in India the Spanish people were furious that their once mighty nation had sent men halfway across the world to fight and die and yet received nothing for their troubles. Stories of the French treating Sepoys with more respect than Spaniards outraged the public further. Furious with the way King Charles V had been running the nation as if it were little more than a vassal of France (which was more or less the reality as much as the Spanish people refused to admit it) the people of Madrid rose up, capturing the whole Royal family and having them all executed. The spontaneity of the revolt had caught the Inquisition off guard and more than a few of their leaders joined the Royal Family in unmarked graves somewhere in Madrid. Paris was horrified, but with her own issues at hand, the public angry that they had basically fought a phoney war, the Royal Loyalty Party was on thin ice as it was and was fearful of intervening. Eventually demands of action by Joseph Antoine of the National Alliance Party saw enough RLP ministers vote against party lines to force Prime Minister d’Elbeuf to ask the King to send an intervention force to Spain. Louis XIX however had already been planning the intervention beforehand, merely having waited for a request from the National Assembly to try to maintain his appearance of being a liberal monarch (something that rather grated against the RLP parties views).

The French army crossed over into Spain to find barely anywhere still loyal to the monarchy, with even most of the Inquisition having defected under a belief that the Republicans had one this time. The iron fist of France however soon began correcting that misconception.

The People’s Republic of Africa: Martin’s Great Folly
(New Orleans 1945)

It speaks volumes to how well the People’s Republic of Africa scheme went that it is remembered as the greatest folly of the President who lost the Second Libertist-Communitarian War. Of course President Martin did at least have the excuse that the War had not been his fault, merely how it ended, unlike his efforts in Africa that came out of nowhere and were entirely his. Martin’s reasoning behind the scheme was fairly straightforward and easy enough to understand. He knew it would take a miracle to keep the Reform Party a force in Acycian[3] politics, let alone win himself a re-election. The best way he could see to manage such a miracle was to do something that would be truly impressive looking on a map, and while the conquest of the Inuit lands filled his imagination for a period he reasoned that those lands were too well known to be empty, cold and essentially valueless, that was the reason why the French made no efforts to claim the Inuit as a protectorate, which left the only other region of vast unclaimed[4] lands as Africa. Martin also decided that as everyone had heard the horrors out of the Dominion of Africa that support for trying to establish a powerful ally in those lands would be strong. Martin did manage to get a few thousand Black adventurers on board who wanted to return to the home continent and help the people there get out of poverty and the oppression of despotic governments.

In 1857, mere months after the war was over, 3 000 settlers departed for west Africa. The eventually settled on the Niger delta region. They did not make a very good impression with the locals though, efforts to spark revolution against local kings were seen as bizarre by the people and merely saw the local armies be sent to drive them away. Those armies were fought off a few times by the settlers, but the sent word back to the PRNA that they required support and President Martin deployed 2 000 men to help with a conquest of land, believing that if enough despots were overthrown that the people of Africa would naturally rise up in support of Communitarianism. Of course the settlers and soldiers did little to endear themselves to the local population, being mostly very loyal Communitarians they made all efforts they could to ban religious practices and ceremonies, and also tried to make the locals learn either English or French. They effectively treated the locals with as much contempt as a the English and Irish had ever shown one another, the settlers believing that there was nothing of value to be taken from African culture (anything of value would surely have survived the great test of slavery and therefore was already in practice amongst the settlers in the settler’s minds). With their utter disrespect of the locals the settlers were forced to request more and more soldiers from North America, though Martin began to have second thoughts and stopped sending men after having deployed 6 000 men, forcing the settlers and the soldiers already present to try to hire mercenaries for their protection as their efforts to pacify the region struggled more and more.

Though they did manage to attract some local men with the promises of power from serving the People’s Republic of Africa they had managed to anger enough of the locals that most of the mercenaries they received were from the Muslim north. Soon to be most prominent among these was Shehu Mohammed, who proved himself a highly competent tactician throughout the short lived era of the People’s Republic of Africa, fiercely destroying numerous towns in the name of preventing unrest and never being caught off guard in the piguerre.

[1] Roman name for Tripoli, Libya.
[2] It is hard to get confirmation one way or the other if the farmer started the violence or not, French and Ottoman sources claiming he tried to shoot the soldiers and they were merely responding.
[3] Amerind-Caribbean-Yankee-Canadien made into an acronym. First used by Arthur Hitter when he began serious efforts to combat regionalism.
[4] At least unclaimed by any major powers or their allies.

[Beedok]

"Also, here's a map."

[PulkitNahata]

A most brilliant map Beedok. Nobody makes these here.

[Scipio Africanus]

I agree, that map is amazing! So is this timeline, by the way.
Scipio

[Enigmajones]

I would like to hear more about those Opekuns....but very interesting Beedok, if you ever lay out a straight timeline, dates and events, I'll check through it. At the moment Im a bit to busy to get down to reading a whole timeline.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by PulkitNahata

A most brilliant map Beedok. Nobody makes these here.

Well I like providing maps.

Originally Posted by Scipio Africanus

I agree, that map is amazing! So is this timeline, by the way.
Scipio

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Enigmajones

I would like to hear more about those Opekuns....but very interesting Beedok, if you ever lay out a straight timeline, dates and events, I'll check through it. At the moment Im a bit to busy to get down to reading a whole timeline.

I'm not sure if I will be doing that, though I might when all is said and done. (I have been rather vague about many dates, so we might see some issues with that.)


Now then , in other news I am thinking about possibly retconning the name of Communitarianism into Rationalism. What do you folks think?

[codger]

Yes. Nice map. I have to read the last update but the small font is hard on the eyes.

I'm okay with keeping it communitarianism.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by codger

Yes. Nice map. I have to read the last update but the small font is hard on the eyes.

I suppose you could copy it into wordpad or microsoft word and make the font bigger.

Originally Posted by codger

I'm okay with keeping it communitarianism.

I was more checking if folks were okay with a change.

[codger]

This part:

The Egyptian people had been growing more and more enraged with the brutal rule of the Porte during the 1840s and 1850s following their failed bid for independence during the 1839 Revolutions period. By 1855 things came to a head when a farmer refused to leave his farm when the Empire’s soldiers tried to evict him to replace him with a Turkish settler and the soldiers killed him[2]. The surrounding towns were soon up in arms over this outrage and managed to either kill or chase off the local Ottoman garrison. The Porte began shipping more soldiers to the region from elsewhere in Egypt, but when rumour spread of what happened those other regions were soon rising up as well. Within a matter of weeks most of the Nile valley was up in arms. The Ottomans sent in more troops from elsewhere, but Russia began moving troops to the borders and the Empire began to fear that if they showed weakness the Russians would invade, and so they were forced to deploy troops to the border regions as well, and unrest in the recently conquered parts of Arabia stretched their armies further.

The confusion caused by the revolt delayed Ottoman response long enough that the Eyptians managed to form proper militias, and they managed to force back the Ottoman efforts to retake any part of the Nile. This made supplying attacks difficult for the Ottomans who had to therefore make all attacks across the desert. Unfortunately the superior discipline of the Ottoman regulars told and after 8 months of fighting they managed to gain a foothold in the Nile delta after an amphibious assault. The fighting up the Nile was incredibly fierce, but by late 1856 the Ottomans had reached Cairo itself and were besieging the city. All seemed lost until the Roman government declared that they could no longer stand aside and allow the Ottomans to unleash such cruelty. A Roman army soon invaded Libya from Carthage while troops where shipped off to the Nile delta, a fierce naval battle breaking out between the two modern fleets. Neither could gain much of an edge over the other, however the Roman soldiers were able to get supplies from supportive Egyptian citizens, while the Ottomans were harassed constantly, meaning that the Roman forces could survive when their naval support was cut off, while the Ottoman forces had a much harder time of things. The Ottomans turned to France for support at this time, but matters elsewhere were occupying Paris’ attention.

Remind me of Arab Spring. But why the Roman intervention. It can't have been genuine humanitarianism could it? Neither our world, nor your timeline seems to work that way.

The conflict between the settlers and African natives reminds me of the strains between similar groups in The Book of Negroes.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by codger

Remind me of Arab Spring. But why the Roman intervention. It can't have been genuine humanitarianism could it? Neither our world, nor your timeline seems to work that way.

Not humanitarianism. Egypt was part of the Old Roman Empire, so they see it as retaking their lands stolen by the Turks.

[codger]

I was pretty sure that something in the past explained it ...

[Beedok]

Bonaparte The Younger: A Life History
(New London 1996)

Castor Bonaparte’s dramatic rescuing of the People’s Republic of North America had rendered him the president apparent for the 1859 election. The only question was who he would have as his vice president. While to the modern reader the choice of (now General) Arthur Hitter would be obvious there was the rather unprecedented issue of Hitter’s heritage, a black man descended from Jamaican slaves. Due to this many wondered if racism had been overcome enough to allow such a significant step forward. Bonaparte however had only reluctantly engaged in any search for an alternative, and had only found one possible alternative, the successful businessman Robert Mackenzie, however Mackenzie was as progressive as Bonaparte and refused to take the position over the more heroic Hitter. As such Castor Bonaparte announced he would be running for President and having Arthur Hitter as his Vice-Presidential candidate a full year before the election. He chose to run as an independent, and would not be alone in that decision with President Martin losing the support of his party just before the elections and choosing to run as an independent, meanwhile the Reform Party attempted to distance itself from the disaster that was Martin nominating vice president Timothy White as its presidential candidate. The Progress Party nominated a non-entity, Henry Halifax, while the Populist Party managed to gain General Hooker as its candidate, though he could do little but run on a mixed record during the war, arguing that the Reform Party had hindered him. Finally the Equalist Party formed for this election, nominating Hannibal Lussu, with a hope that the rage shown at the end of the war was still there.

Bonaparte managed to take the wind out of the Equalists with a platform more reform and socially minded that even the Progress Party had, while the only other real contender of Hooker ran on the idea of trying to forget the war and go back to the ante bellum policies. The Reform Party also had its own ideas, but spent more time pointing out that they’d attempted to divorce President Martin than actually discussing policy. Martin tried to claim that it was the Reform Party that had been responsible for the failures and that he had left the party rather than the other way around. The Equalists tried to push for ideological purity and claims that Communitarian rationality was destined to result in equalism, however the loss during the last war to the Libertists had caused much less enthusiasm for the ideas of Hilfere amongst the Acycian public, many thinking that loyalty to an idea nearly a century old was what had cost them the war. Bonaparte was probable more loyal to Hilfere than any of the other candidates, but he ran on his personal record[1]and reforms that were touted as a new direction[2]. Bonaparte was also able to the backing of the Manx family with their significant media power giving him positive reviews in the most read papers in the country as well as being given funds by the wealthy brothers Robert and Douglas Mackenzie who had recently massively increased their fortunes through buying up Great Lakes region oil wells while everyone else was worried about the war. With his record and that support the slight issue of his vice presidential candidate’s race faded into the background. When the 1859 election results were in there was relatively little surprise, Hooker did slightly worse than expected while the minor candidates did slightly better than expected.

The Mackenzie Family
(Peace River Settlement 1977)

The Mackenzie Family arrived in North America following the abortive Tea Rebellion of the 1770s, when several prominent Yankee families had their lands taken for participating in the rebellion. The Mackenzies, lead by Gregory Mackenzie, were able to cheaply acquire a large plantation in Georgia, however Gregory Mackenzie found himself unable to stomach the idea of owning another human being and instead provided the former slaves attached to the estate with their freedom and cheap rent on the land, with an offer for a share of the profits if they helped with the plantations crops. The Mackenzies did quite well for themselves during the remainder of British control over the Thirteen Colonies, however their profit margins were rather less than their slave owning neighbours and they likely would have remained merely an oddity if not for the revolution that founded the PRNA. With slavery banned under the ideals of Communitarianism and many of the local plantation owners having fled to Hawkingsland (the future Dominion of Africa, also origin of the derogatory term ‘Hawks’) much of the South was filled with former slaves lacking education and vague land ownership. The Mackenzies moved in quickly buying up plantations that had been abandoned by slaves wanting to leave behind those bad memories, plantations soon filled with freedmen from other plantations looking for a place to live. The Mackenzies also provided their services as negotiators to help independent freedmen farm collectives not get ripped off by white merchants in the cities. This model proved very profitable and allowed the Mackenzies to invest their money into other ventures.

Perhaps the most profitable of these ventures was entering into the oil business in the 1850s. While the rest of the nation was focused on the war with the Americans Robert Mackenzie learned of rumours of oil in the Great Lakes region and systematically purchased vast swathes of fairly empty land in the area. While not every lot proved to be an oil source enough did that the Mackenzies now had a majority of the oil production in the PRNA helping catapult Robert and his brother Douglas from merely wealthy to among the most important families in the nation. Having managed to ally themselves closely with Castor Bonaparte, due in large part to Castor and Robert quickly becoming friends, the Mackenzie Brothers were soon household names.

[1] A very non-communitarian thing to do with the ideals of Hilfere being about the trends of society not the actions of great men, but charisma works so Bonaparte used it.
[2] We believe it likely that Bonaparte the younger was honest about the ‘new direction’ but while the public (and this author) thought that he was saying ‘a direction away from Hilfere’ we believe he was in fact trying to redirect things back towards Hilfere.

[Beedok]

I think that this weekend I shall make a strict timeline write out of D-398, just so people can get into the groove more easily. I think a thing or two might actually be updated too. (No overly serious retcons though, just a couple mistakes I can no longer edit. Like the 5th Carnatic War. . .)

Also, any more feedback on renaming Communitarianism to Rationalism?

[Mumby]

Originally Posted by Beedok

I think that this weekend I shall make a strict timeline write out of D-398, just so people can get into the groove more easily. I think a thing or two might actually be updated too. (No overly serious retcons though, just a couple mistakes I can no longer edit. Like the 5th Carnatic War. . .)

Also, any more feedback on renaming Communitarianism to Rationalism?

I think the change can make sense either way. Communitarianism can be made to mean Communism (like I guess you want it to), or it can be made to mean a society of communities like it already means. Rationalism doesn't fit into that latter category as well. Maybe Societism. Though I have a feeling thats already been used. You could always use Salutism, which is what I called Communism in my TL. Its derived from the Latin for welfare.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by Mumby

I think the change can make sense either way. Communitarianism can be made to mean Communism (like I guess you want it to), or it can be made to mean a society of communities like it already means. Rationalism doesn't fit into that latter category as well. Maybe Societism. Though I have a feeling thats already been used. You could always use Salutism, which is what I called Communism in my TL. Its derived from the Latin for welfare.

I've already used the term Societism (or maybe Sociatism I can't remember the spelling) in my previous timeline, so I wanted something different. Communitarianism was actually based off partnering it with Libertism to mix against OTL's Communism and Libertarianism. It was also initially planned to be a bit more socialist in and of itself, but my longterm plans have shifted slightly to make it an ideology based heavily on reason and logic (or at least what enthusiastic futurists think is reason and logic).

Also, Thande has Societism in Look to the West, so I don't want to seem like I'm copying that. Especially as tidbits he's given out about the future since I started this timeline have seemed to be rather similar (or too perfectly opposite) to my plans.

[Beedok]

I think I'm going to write a glossary of 19th century political movements to clarify some things that have been left sort of vague, does that sound like a good next update?