Challenge: British Defeat WW2

Sol Invictus · Nov 28, 2009

With a POD no earlier than July 22nd 1940 (The date that Britain rejects the final peace offer and prior to the battle of Britain) please find a realistic way for the axis to knock Britain out of the war as quickly as possible, ideally by say 1944, Without altering the German invasion of Russia.

This needs be no more than a simple white peace, as opposed to an actual operation unmentionable sea mammal.

Any thoughts?

machine3589 · Nov 28, 2009

HERESY!

Sol, be prepared for dozens of people calling this ASB.

TheNordicBrit · Nov 28, 2009

I really can't see how Germany could knock Britain out of the fighting. Even if they continued the attacks on RAF airfields rather than go for the towns and cities then the RAF will just move the remainder of the planes up north, where the Luftwaffe would be out of reach.

The you have the Royal Navy and the Enigma Code that's already been cracked, these will halt anything that involves trying to get onto land for a prolonged amount of time (Operation Sealion or whatever.)

Then you have Churchill who's as stubborn as heck and so won't budge on his stance of fighting the Germans to the death.

So yeah, with a POD after July, 1940 I don't think Britain would be beaten of by Germany...

Sol Invictus · Nov 28, 2009

machine3589 said:
HERESY!

Sol, be prepared for dozens of people calling this ASB.

I am more than prepared for that, I rather suspect it is ASB.

I Blame Communism · Nov 28, 2009

machine3589 said:
HERESY!

Sol, be prepared for dozens of people calling this ASB.

We don't think we're invincible or protected by a magic spell or phsyically incapable of surrendering, but that doesn't mean it isn't ASB. Gamb makes excellent points.

BlackWave · Nov 28, 2009

One thing: U-boats.

I Blame Communism · Nov 28, 2009

BlackWave said:
One thing: U-boats.

It worked so well OTL...

BlackWave · Nov 28, 2009

I Blame Communism said:
It worked so well OTL...

I dunno if that's sarcasm, but seeing as Churchill basically admitted to pissing his pants over them...

I Blame Communism · Nov 28, 2009

BlackWave said:
I dunno if that's sarcasm, but seeing as Churchill basically admitted to pissing his pants over them...

Yes. We were in pretty dire straits at times, and being a war leader is a hell of a nervous job. But we won the battle for the Atlantic. In what plausible way could we be made to lose it with this PoD?

Sol Invictus · Nov 28, 2009

BlackWave said:
I dunno if that's sarcasm, but seeing as Churchill basically admitted to pissing his pants over them...

So I suppose what POD would allow him to also evacuate his bowels?

BlackWave · Nov 28, 2009

I Blame Communism said:
Yes. We were in pretty dire straits at times, and being a war leader is a hell of a nervous job. But we won the battle for the Atlantic. In what plausible way could we be made to lose it with this PoD?

Well, the Kriegsmarine would have to be affected in some way, obviously, and figuring out how with this POD is the problem. Any ideas?

The Dean · Nov 28, 2009

I Blame Communism said:
We don't think we're invincible or protected by a magic spell or phsyically incapable of surrendering,

Speak for yourself.

bobbis14 · Nov 28, 2009

machine3589 said:
HERESY!

Sol, be prepared for dozens of people calling this ASB.

No just keep Churchill out of power and have a POD of the British people not thinking the war is worth fighting

TheNordicBrit · Nov 28, 2009

bobbis14 said:
No just keep Churchill out of power and have a POD of the British people not thinking the war is worth fighting

He said it was 22 July. This is after Churchill came to be PM.

The Dean · Nov 28, 2009

bobbis14 said:
have a POD of the British people not thinking the war is worth fighting

Apathy would do it, no problem.

I Blame Communism · Nov 28, 2009

bobbis14 said:
No just keep Churchill out of power and have a POD of the British people not thinking the war is worth fighting

There were other people besides Churchill willing to head the nation at war, and why wouldn't we think the war was worth fighting?

The Dean · Nov 28, 2009

I Blame Communism said:
why wouldn't we think the war was worth fighting?

Any good spin doctor today could convince the population Hitler was not the enemy of Britain and it was not worth our while fighting him for other countries.

Faeelin · Nov 28, 2009

The Dean said:
Any good spin doctor today could convince the population Hitler was not the enemy of Britain and it was not worth our while fighting him for other countries.

"Honorable members of Parliament, I know we have made our longstanding policy to oppose a continental hegemon, and I know that Hitler has used every treaty we've made to wipe his arse, but I am sure he will not use the European industrial base to destroy our nation."

The Dean · Nov 28, 2009

Faeelin said:
"Honorable members of Parliament, I know we have made our longstanding policy to oppose a continental hegemon, and I know that Hitler has used every treaty we've made to wipe his arse, but I am sure he will not use the European industrial base to destroy our nation."

Yep, the people would swallow that.

I Blame Communism · Nov 28, 2009

Faeelin said:
"Honorable members of Parliament, I know we have made our longstanding policy to oppose a continental hegemon, and I know that Hitler has used every treaty we've made to wipe his arse, but I am sure he will not use the European industrial base to destroy our nation."

I'm so, so glad you're back.