British victory over American Revolutionary War

[hun]

Did it possible that Britain will gain a victory in American Revolutionary War,And what is the future of north america under British rule.

[Bill Cameron]

You'll find the "Search" function at the top of each of the forum's pages. It's third from the right between "Quick Links" and "New Posts".

Once you find the "Search" function, you'll also find several thousand posts discussing the Done to Deathtm question you've just posed.

Happy reading!


Bill

[Mr.Wigglemunch]

You just humiliated the guy on his first post Bill, well done good sir

[Faeelin]

I dunno, I don't think we've ever really explored America's future.

My guess is pretty grim, given how the British acted during the War.

[Mr.Wigglemunch]

Im all for a second round of the Dark Ages personally.

[Bill Cameron]

Originally Posted by Mr.Wigglemunch

You just humiliated the guy on his first post Bill, well done good sir

What do you mean humiliated?

He's new here, he posed a Done to Death question, and I pointed him to the Search function. What's wrong with that?


Bill

[Mr.Wigglemunch]

Originally Posted by Bill Cameron

What do you mean humiliated?

He's new here, he posed a Done to Death question, and I pointed him to the Search function. What's wrong with that?


Bill

If I was him i'd feel like an idiot right now besides you took it the wrong way, I really did mean well done... im feeling kinda evil today you see.

[Faeelin]

Originally Posted by Bill Cameron

What do you mean humiliated?

He's new here, he posed a Done to Death question, and I pointed him to the Search function. What's wrong with that?


Bill

I actually don't think it's been done to death. Nobody has ever idscussed British plans for the Anglican Church; what this does to the Whigs in Britain; etc. etc.

[MNP]

Considering I just searched for "British win American Revolution" and my search pages came up broken.... well yeah.

I guess I'd wonder what would victory look like? A low level insurgency? All the leaders in prison? Or reconciliation and rehabilitation? American Colonies where you have to keep a large constant military presence are something of a Pyrrhic win.

[67th Tigers]

Originally Posted by Faeelin

I dunno, I don't think we've ever really explored America's future.

My guess is pretty grim, given how the British acted during the War.

It's not like the British rounded up people into concentration camps or anything, is it? If the British had treated it in the manner of the Thirty Years War they'd likely have won.

My guess is that following the war there would be a move to incorporate the American colonies directly into the metropole, as was done in Ireland at about the same time. The Americans will start sending MPs to Westminster, but will have to pay the full whack of taxes.

[67th Tigers]

Originally Posted by MNPundit

Considering I just searched for "British win American Revolution" and my search pages came up broken.... well yeah.

I guess I'd wonder what would victory look like? A low level insurgency? All the leaders in prison? Or reconciliation and rehabilitation? American Colonies where you have to keep a large constant military presence are something of a Pyrrhic win.

Even during the war the military force of the British deployed to the American colonies wasn't that big. In 1781 the British Army deployed to the territory claimed by Congress consisted of 1 cavalry regiment, and 22 battalions of infantry. Before the revolution, in 1775, the British Army in America (including Quebec etc.) consisted of 18 battalions of infantry....

[Hoyahoo9]

Originally Posted by 67th Tigers

My guess is that following the war there would be a move to incorporate the American colonies directly into the metropole, as was done in Ireland at about the same time. The Americans will start sending MPs to Westminster, but will have to pay the full whack of taxes.

If this came to pass, what effect would the relatively sudden and significant influx of new tax money into the coffers of the Crown have on the Empire? I don't know how big a difference there would be between what the colonists were paying in taxes pre-revolution, and what they might be paying if the "full whack" were to be paid in return for full (or rather full-ish) political participation. But its sure to be a windfall ...

[lothaw]

The next generation of rebels would be led by Andrew Jackson I suspect.

Not to mention what does this do to the French Revolution?

[Grimm Reaper]

A miserable state of affairs with a world condemned to an increasingly dark future and a continent saddled with a political system which was clearly not viable in the long run. Also the issue of...

Wait a second! This was asking what might happen if the British WON!

I have to start reading these things more carefully.

[Jaded_Railman]

I don't think AH seems to know enough about the ARW to comment in depth as it can on other subjects. That's unfortunate.

Anyway, the course of future history in a world without independent British colonies on the North American continent is entirely impossible to predict without information about the circumstances surrounding the imperial government's win. And getting a 'win' will be more difficult than you'd think. I'm not entirely sure the war would have sputtered out even if an early destruction of Washington's army could be achieved in New York, although it's possible. But a later win is going to be ever increasingly more difficult to bring about: After the Declaration of Independence the 'patriot' movement started growing and, a few years in, the state governments had operated as fully independent countries for long enough that a few victories and a blockade won't deter continued resistance.

Regardless of how the win happens, however, there is going to be partisan activity along the frontier for decades.

[MerryPrankster]

Have you ever read the book For Want of A Nail?

It's a history book from a history where this happened. Burgoyne won at Saratoga and the American cause sputters out.

The later parts of the timeline get really bizarre, but the opening phases of it are really quite interesting--the Patriot diehards go to Texas, Vermont is unsafe for the Brits for decades, and we get a mega-Canada British NA.

[Faeelin]

Originally Posted by 67th Tigers

It's not like the British rounded up people into concentration camps or anything, is it? If the British had treated it in the manner of the Thirty Years War they'd likely have won.

"To the British Army: It's less bad than Wallenstein!"

Britain managed to take New Jersey, which may have been slightly majority loyalist, and turn it into a hotbed of Patriot activity over the course of 1776 thanks to the rampant looting of its troops and the Hessians.

This of course leaves aside, for instance, how American prisoners were treated.

[Wozza]

Originally Posted by Faeelin

Britain managed to take New Jersey, which may have been slightly majority loyalist, and turn it into a hotbed of Patriot activity over the course of 1776 thanks to the rampant looting of its troops and the Hessians.

Didn't Washington's army sit at Harper's ferry and basically do exactly the same thing? It's entirely possible in these circumstances for the more ruthless side to win.

[The Red]

Hun, are you a Rangers fan by any chance?

[Lord Grattan]

Originally Posted by Faeelin

I actually don't think it's been done to death. Nobody has ever discussed British plans for the Anglican Church; what this does to the Whigs in Britain; etc. etc.

A very good point. The subject of religion in British America is one which those of us writing (and those who will in the future will write) "No ARW - how does NA evolve" TL's need to consider and to include in the story line. Thanks for raising it.