AH Challenge: Let's make a realistic Code Geass timeline! - Page 27

Libertad · #**521** September 27th, 2011, 03:06 PM

As what DarklightZERO pointed out here way before, the Holy Britannian Empire has the appearances of being quite Draka-like but not exactly like it... I've just noticed... since if you'll noticed the Draka timeline..., if you're aware of it, it's also full of flaws and has the same features... with the Draka being revanchist and came from a history of exile... as Britannia is... Wow...

Plus the odd fast technological and territorial expansions for a slave holding society... Really really odd...

MarshalBraginsky · #**522** September 27th, 2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertad

Where is this Gundam 00 timeline anyway?

(OOC: I don't what part of the country you're from but did your place got hit by the typhoon?? Did you experience power outages there or something... Just asking.. you know... Hehehe... I'm pretty sure Hetalia is fine... We're from the same province anyway... his town is just next to our city.. Hehehe...)

I'm from Nueva Ecija, so my province wasn't hit. Oh yeah, Endless Conflict: Sibirskaya'a Gundam 00 Timeline is also in the ASB section. I'll have to give you the link for it.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...d.php?t=211874

here's Tubabao's Miracle link:

http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...d.php?t=212187

DarklightZERO · #**523** September 27th, 2011, 04:17 PM

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Because I don't know what exactly are you planning... and if your timeline is more of a semi-cannon Code Geass TL that I am planning to make... (which now I'm having doubts of making... because of a highly different Britannian history... where I'm having trouble extracting an Industrial Revolution... which now has to move into the Dutch and Sibirskaya's creations; the "Romans" and the Russians....) If it is, see my reaction to the parenthesis...

I suppose I best give the very basic plain.

Napoleon invades the British Isles, however he has to negotiate a treaty and let the British form their own Government rather then set up a puppet government with one of relatives on the throne due to France being threatened by other European nations.
The EU is formed which unlike the modern OTL equivalent, this EU is more of a coalition of nations
The British Empire is formed but doesn't reach a large as OTL due to colonization starting later.
Saturate only becomes used around 1920 due to Scientific curiosity overcoming the materials danger and techniques like solution mining reducing the dangers.
Britannian/Eu-British war (haven't thought much about it).
Perhaps since this is an ATL it will have a Euphemia manage to set up the Special Administrative Zone of Japan but it ends up collapsing after 5 years.
The British Knightmare Frames have Gallic names and unlike Britannia who are interested in 'one size fits all' frame. The British Empire decides to build 'light' (called 'Epona's) and 'heavy' Knightmare frames. A few 'Super-Heavy' were built put were found to be impractical.
When the UFN is formed the British Empire refuses to join saying that giving up its armies is akin to surrendering sovereignty.
A modified Zero Requenium fails due to Lelouch underestimating Britains strength and the world descends into war.

.... and that's about it.

Libertad · #**524** September 27th, 2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sibirskaya

I'm from Nueva Ecija, so my province wasn't hit. Oh yeah, Endless Conflict: Sibirskaya'a Gundam 00 Timeline is also in the ASB section. I'll have to give you the link for it.

http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...d.php?t=211874

here's Tubabao's Miracle link:

http://www.alternatehistory.com/disc...d.php?t=212187

Thanks for the links!

Oh.... Well, Hetalia and I are Cavitenos..., He's from Imus, I'm from Dasmarinas... We're studying in De La Salle University-Dasmarinas... I pretty much want to visit the Science City of Munoz you know... Did you already went there?? The first time I'm rather fond of that province is because of the Nueva Ecija Patriots in the MBA... Hehehe...

I'm also quite interested with your family's Katipunero background fighting out the Spaniards and probably the Americans... Hahaha! This got me thinking of my two Philippine TL's that I'm planning to make... one is quite ASB because of its setting in Noli Me Tangere and El Filibusterismo worlds where Crisostomo Ibarra was accused of being involved in the Cavite Mutiny of 1872 despite coming from the province of San Diego ( or is it just a fictional town in Laguna? I forgot ) and so fitting in a little with the Noli Me Tangere storyline.. then also making him successful in his plot of overthrowing the Spanish government 13 years later as set in the El Filibusterismo... Making the Philippine Revolution start in 1885... while Jose Rizal from neighboring Calamba (if San Diego happens to be a a Laguna town) was still studying in Madrid, Spain... the other one is set in the late 1960's (probably 1967) where President Ferdinand Marcos was assassinated, thus butterflying away the martial law era, and made the Philippines more prosperous that it is here in OTL... something like that...

Libertad · #**525** September 27th, 2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DarklightZERO

I suppose I best give the very basic plain.

Napoleon invades the British Isles, however he has to negotiate a treaty and let the British form their own Government rather then set up a puppet government with one of relatives on the throne due to France being threatened by other European nations.
The EU is formed which unlike the modern OTL equivalent, this EU is more of a coalition of nations
The British Empire is formed but doesn't reach a large as OTL due to colonization starting later.
Saturate only becomes used around 1920 due to Scientific curiosity overcoming the materials danger and techniques like solution mining reducing the dangers.
Britannian/Eu-British war (haven't thought much about it).
Perhaps since this is an ATL it will have a Euphemia manage to set up the Special Administrative Zone of Japan but it ends up collapsing after 5 years.
The British Knightmare Frames have Gallic names and unlike Britannia who are interested in 'one size fits all' frame. The British Empire decides to build 'light' (called 'Epona's) and 'heavy' Knightmare frames. A few 'Super-Heavy' were built put were found to be impractical.
When the UFN is formed the British Empire refuses to join saying that giving up its armies is akin to surrendering sovereignty.
A modified Zero Requenium fails due to Lelouch underestimating Britains strength and the world descends into war.

.... and that's about it.

Hmmm... so this is quite a semi-cannon CG TL then...

Rather than having Napoleon Bonaparte invading the islands, why not just assist his arrival through a "British Revolution" as part of the overall package of the European Age of Revolution that started with the French Revolution...

The problem about this though is it's quite unlikely for the French Revolution to start in 1789 if the American Revolution will not become successful... so the Age of Revolution can only start by 1795 something... through a coup d' etat probably... (because of his Geass... Whahaha!!) that sparked the French Revolution... and then put Napoleon Bonaparte as George Washington of France..., making him its President... The British Revolution could happen through an ATL Napoleonic War between Britannia and France while having Nappy winning against the British... especially by winning the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805... Whahaha!

Why would British colonization not start early?? What's the meaning of this?? Technological advancement would move the Scramble of Africa from 1885 to 1845 in my estimation....

Would there's still be a Holy Britannian Empire from North America?? Because Euphie and Lulu are around...

Actually, I'm planning having the exploitation of sakuradite in 1925, following the pattern of one of the fanfics that made it start in 1978 (2018-1978= 40; 1965-1925= 40) .... so your estimation is fine...

Of course there would be a Britannian-EU war... that's where the Britannians might win out territories in the Americas... I'm actually wondering about making Britannia get the entire Americas like those Draka getting Africa... I pretty much want to limit it... it's too much for me...

An EU Britain could very well blossom... and get colonies... India for example, with the Byzantines... until the Chinese get a big part of India (but not all of it)... Britain might compensate itself by getting territories in West Africa... The French and the Germans will get pretty much a large part of it though... hehehe...!

MarshalBraginsky · #**526** September 27th, 2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertad

Thanks for the links!

Oh.... Well, Hetalia and I are Cavitenos..., He's from Imus, I'm from Dasmarinas... We're studying in De La Salle University-Dasmarinas... I pretty much want to visit the Science City of Munoz you know... Did you already went there?? The first time I'm rather fond of that province is because of the Nueva Ecija Patriots in the MBA... Hehehe...

I'm also quite interested with your family's Katipunero background fighting out the Spaniards and probably the Americans... Hahaha! This got me thinking of my two Philippine TL's that I'm planning to make... one is quite ASB because of its setting in Noli Me Tangere and El Filibusterismo worlds where Crisostomo Ibarra was accused of being involved in the Cavite Mutiny of 1872 despite coming from the province of San Diego ( or is it just a fictional town in Laguna? I forgot ) and so fitting in a little with the Noli Me Tangere storyline.. then also making him successful in his plot of overthrowing the Spanish government 13 years later as set in the El Filibusterismo... Making the Philippine Revolution start in 1885... while Jose Rizal from neighboring Calamba (if San Diego happens to be a a Laguna town) was still studying in Madrid, Spain... the other one is set in the late 1960's (probably 1967) where President Ferdinand Marcos was assassinated, thus butterflying away the martial law era, and made the Philippines more prosperous that it is here in OTL... something like that...

Well, my mother said that her grandfather was a Katipunero. After all, Nueva Ecija was represented in the eight rays of the sun in the Philippine flag. My father is living in Cavite, GMA to be exact. In my TL, Munoz is rebuilt as Stroganovsk, and it is notable because it's probably the only Filipino city with an entirely Russian flavor in it. I still had Marcos in my TL, but butterflied away Cory Aquino's presidency thanks to Ivan Apayao's presidency. Ivan Apayao is basically a political hybrid of Marcos, Milosevic, and Putin.

Here are the presidents that will succeed Apayao in Tubabao's Miracle:

2000-2004: Ferdinand 'Bongbong' Marcos (KBL)
2004-2008: Ferdinand 'Bongbong' Marcos (KBL)
2008-2012: Andrei Abaygar (NRP)

(Constitutional Amendment, allowing the President Six Terms, Tubabao's Miracle.)

2012-2018: Mar Roxas (Liberal)
2018-2024: Antonin Luistro (Liberal)
2024-2030: Mikhail Malvar (NRP)
2030-2036: Ruslan Gavrilov (NRP)
2036-2042: Ruslan Gavrilov (NRP)
2042-2048: Oleg Bonifacio (Social Revolutionaries)

Libertad · #**527** September 27th, 2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sibirskaya

Well, my mother said that her grandfather was a Katipunero. After all, Nueva Ecija was represented in the eight rays of the sun in the Philippine flag. My father is living in Cavite, GMA to be exact. In my TL, Munoz is rebuilt as Stroganovsk, and it is notable because it's probably the only Filipino city with an entirely Russian flavor in it. I still had Marcos in my TL, but butterflied away Cory Aquino's presidency thanks to Ivan Apayao's presidency. Ivan Apayao is basically a political hybrid of Marcos, Milosevic, and Putin.

Here are the presidents that will succeed Apayao in Tubabao's Miracle:

2000-2004: Ferdinand 'Bongbong' Marcos (KBL)
2004-2008: Ferdinand 'Bongbong' Marcos (KBL)
2008-2012: Andrei Abaygar (NRP)

Whoa..., You're surely a different Filipino guy ah... Hmmmm.... You remind me of my brother in law... Hehehe... To be honest though, in the TL that I'm contemplating about the 1966/67 POD involving Marcos being assassinated, I'm seeing Imelda Marcos as the longest sitting prominent political official in Asian history since the Second World War, being a senator since 1967... and Senate President since 1971... Bongbong could be a presidential candidate for me.., as her mother does twice... in 1979 and 1985... Hahaha...

You pretty much like authoritarian like leaders ah... which is pretty much uncompatible with Philippine society for me...

DarklightZERO · #**528** September 27th, 2011, 05:38 PM

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Rather than having Napoleon Bonaparte invading the islands, why not just assist his arrival through a "British Revolution" as part of the overall package of the European Age of Revolution that started with the French Revolution...

Funny you should say that because during my first post I mentioned

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If I had to rework Code Geass I would.

1. Get rid of the 'Celtic superking' stuff and move the PoD into the middle ages. The reasion why is that I feel that I overcomplicates things. I suppose I could do it if I have to, I just have to rework the emerging british culture and ponder some things (I am sure that this would effect any other invasions like the Saxons or the Normans)
2. Get rid of the 'a.t.b Calender' because by that time the new Calender was implemented in the GCTL (Code Geass Time Line) the Gregorian Calender was in effect and who would want to add another layer in complexity to international relations?
3. I would tone down the effectiveness of knightmare frames. I can imagine the Knightmare frames being part of a misguided attempt to demonstrate military might and produce a successor to the tank. (Who says you can't use Sakuradite to superpower tanks?)
4. (This last one is not related to Code Geass, just thought I would put it in) I would have a different reason for Britain not being part of Britannia other then 'Napoleon conquers england and establishes his europe wide empire'
In the CGTL while europe undergoes revolution Britain does not. It would be interesting if a British revolution starts and succedes in forcing the royal family to the Americans.

I think there is a thrend in the pre-1900 asking if a British Revoluion would have started if the french failed.

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Would there's still be a Holy Britannian Empire from North America?? Because Euphie and Lulu are around...

The whole 'Euphie not getting geassed an killing people' was some idea though up when reading this thread on the Tvtropes forum.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php...ep3zjp5&page=1

I wonder if I can throw in something about England forming its own geass order soon after the Elizabethan Secret service is established. (Hey I liked Marvel 1607)

Libertad · #**529** September 27th, 2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DarklightZERO

Funny you should say that because during my first post I mentioned

Ah... Ok... Never noticed that...

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The whole 'Euphie not getting geassed an killing people' was some idea though up when reading this thread on the Tvtropes forum.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php...ep3zjp5&page=1

Many fanfics use that as a POD for their stories, because this is really quite an unexpected twist to the storyline and many fans really feel down about this...

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I wonder if I can throw in something about England forming its own geass order soon after the Elizabethan Secret service is established. (Hey I liked Marvel 1607)

What's the Elizabethan Secret Service about?? Care to enlighten me... Its existence might produce enough repression to spark a British revolution and throw out Britannia to North America... as well as making the American Revolution lose...

The enclosures and the agricultural revolution are one of the socio-economic reasons that the Industrial Revolution began in England... The Dutch Republic has no such comparison... but give it Belgium... it could spark an Industrial Revolution there... I'm still researching on it... Both England and the Netherlands can begin them simultaneously though... I'm still not sure...

DarklightZERO · #**530** September 27th, 2011, 06:32 PM

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Many fanfics use that as a POD for their stories, because this is really quite an unexpected twist to the storyline and many fans really feel down about this...

Did you feel down about that?

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What's the Elizabethan Secret Service about?? Care to enlighten me... Its existence might produce enough repression to spark a British revolution and throw out Britannia to North America... as well as making the American Revolution lose...

The enclosures and the agricultural revolution are one of the socio-economic reasons that the Industrial Revolution began in England... The Dutch Republic has no such comparison... but give it Belgium... it could spark an Industrial Revolution there... I'm still researching on it... Both England and the Netherlands can begin them simultaneously though... I'm still not sure...

Well according to Elizabeth I wiki entry

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After 1570, when the pope declared her illegitimate and released her subjects from obedience to her, several conspiracies threatened her life. All plots were defeated, however, with the help of her ministers' secret service

and there is the guy who set it up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Francis_Walsingham

I only knew about it because it was mentioned on Tvtropes (they do history along with Country profiles).
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...heHouseOfTudor

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What else . . . there was also a guy called Sir Francis Walsingham, who effectively got the whole British espionage system going.

I was planning about having Henry IX being an extreme reactoranary who wanted to return to the 'good old days' where the King had absoute power and wasn't constrained by parlement. I mean even if Parliment only came into its own during the Civil war it is going to be important because it gives the Lords and Landowners a say where their money is going.

Libertad · #**531** September 27th, 2011, 06:46 PM

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Did you feel down about that?

Honestly I do..., with those of Rolo and Shirley... that's why I've got fantasies of "Great resurrection" and Lelouch with Suzaku, Rolo, Rivalz and Chewbacca forming a rock band in Star Wars/Star Trek/Stargate galaxy... being there for 12 years that is just equivalent to just a year in CG Earth through some barrier and after-effects of breaking down that barrier... and a diplomatic mission by the Galactic Republic getting into contact with Earth revealing their presence.... whatever... Hahaha!!

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I was planning about having Henry IX being an extreme reactoranary who wanted to return to the 'good old days' where the King had absoute power and wasn't constrained by parlement. I mean even if Parliment only came into its own during the Civil war it is going to be important because it gives the Lords and Landowners a say where their money is going.

There's no "good old days" to return back since the Tudor/Stuart monarchy is pretty much "absolutist" than the post-1689 monarchy... Removing the Commonwealth era..., the Stuart dynasty and the Glorious Revolution are way more than enough...

Anyway, in this universe, Queen Elizabeth I is from the "House of Eowyn" right?? A unbreakable long dynastic line of monarchs from Eowyn in 54 B.C. after he repelled the Julian invasion and united the Briton tribes into a proto-federation... right??

MarshalBraginsky · #**532** September 27th, 2011, 07:03 PM

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Whoa..., You're surely a different Filipino guy ah... Hmmmm.... You remind me of my brother in law... Hehehe... To be honest though, in the TL that I'm contemplating about the 1966/67 POD involving Marcos being assassinated, I'm seeing Imelda Marcos as the longest sitting prominent political official in Asian history since the Second World War, being a senator since 1967... and Senate President since 1971... Bongbong could be a presidential candidate for me.., as her mother does twice... in 1979 and 1985... Hahaha...

You pretty much like authoritarian like leaders ah... which is pretty much uncompatible with Philippine society for me...

Imelda as the President? She'd do a better job than Cory. Also, at this point in Tubabao's Miracle Apayao has established the parliamentary system in Tundunistan, and he changes the name from Congress to Duma. Of course, Apayao and the Marcos family does get along, but the Patriarchate was displeased with the Marcos family after the Revolution gone wrong. I don't like leaders like Noynoy, he failed in handling the Hostage Crisis, and I was in Manila when it happened.

DarklightZERO · #**533** September 27th, 2011, 07:06 PM

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There's no "good old days" to return back since the Tudor/Stuart monarchy is pretty much "absolutist" than the post-1689 monarchy... Removing the Commonwealth era..., the Stuart dynasty and the Glorious Revolution are way more than enough...

I think it would be better to say that he was more interested the legends of King Arther, knights and valor, and didn't like the Elizabethan era he was born into. I was thinking about having him form the Knights of the round.

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Anyway, in this universe, Queen Elizabeth I is from the "House of Eowyn" right?? A unbreakable long dynastic line of monarchs from Eowyn in 54 B.C. after he repelled the Julian invasion and united the Briton tribes into a proto-federation... right??

Your right, we can say she's just Elizabeth I in name only but really that is one of those things I am going to quietly ignore. Along with the stupid guns as the Electric motor requires knowledge about the connection between Electricity and Magnetism and that came along wayyyyyyyyyyy after the invention of gunpowder.

In fact in my TL no one uses Saturate until the 20th century because its so dangerous.

Anyway I like the British Revolution better so I am going to adjust my TL accordingly

Libertad · #**534** September 27th, 2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sibirskaya

Imelda as the President? She'd do a better job than Cory. Also, at this point in Tubabao's Miracle Apayao has established the parliamentary system in Tundunistan, and he changes the name from Congress to Duma. Of course, Apayao and the Marcos family does get along, but the Patriarchate was displeased with the Marcos family after the Revolution gone wrong. I don't like leaders like Noynoy, he failed in handling the Hostage Crisis, and I was in Manila when it happened.

Your really different... hahaha...!

I don't like the handling of the crisis also...

Imelda is actually the Senate President... not the Philippine President...

Where's the Tundunistan came from again? It's with the White Russian immigration and Orthodox conversion probably right? What's going to be its effects with the Cold War around?? Wow! You've got some excessive Russo fetish ah... as much as Hetalia has an Italian one... and me... an American one... We're all in different dimensions... Hahaha!

MarshalBraginsky · #**535** September 27th, 2011, 11:41 PM

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Your really different... hahaha...!

I don't like the handling of the crisis also...

Imelda is actually the Senate President... not the Philippine President...

Where's the Tundunistan came from again? It's with the White Russian immigration and Orthodox conversion probably right? What's going to be its effects with the Cold War around?? Wow! You've got some excessive Russo fetish ah... as much as Hetalia has an Italian one... and me... an American one... We're all in different dimensions... Hahaha!

It would have a nasty effect on the Cold War as the Soviets who are stationed in Vietnam would just fly to the Philippines to join the White Russian emigre there. By the end of the Soviet Union, the new Russian nationalists would have a strong backing from defecting Soviet officials, but they would have to tone down their racism to other nationalities because they were guests in a country that has an Asian majority (thereby minimizing their hatred towards other Asians as well). Putin would be like the late 20th century, early 21st century version of Ataturk, but he modernizes Russia in his own way, not the western way.

There may even be time when the growing Russian settlers would want to tie Tundunistan to the new Russian Federation, or simply make it rabidly pro-Russian, and with the Orthodox Tunduns allied to them, the Catholics are stuck between the rock and a hard place.

Hetalia · #**536** September 28th, 2011, 06:00 AM

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Imelda as the President? She'd do a better job than Cory. Also, at this point in Tubabao's Miracle Apayao has established the parliamentary system in Tundunistan, and he changes the name from Congress to Duma. Of course, Apayao and the Marcos family does get along, but the Patriarchate was displeased with the Marcos family after the Revolution gone wrong. I don't like leaders like Noynoy, he failed in handling the Hostage Crisis, and I was in Manila when it happened.

Now I'm confused are you a Commie or a Nazi? Choose just one.
C'MON, YOU CAN'T BE BOTH!

Libertad · #**537** September 28th, 2011, 08:21 AM

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Now I'm confused are you a Commie or a Nazi? Choose just one.
C'MON, YOU CAN'T BE BOTH!

He's a Russophile... a strong Russophile... Just that strong that he wants our country under Russian orbit... which is unimaginable in plausibility since we're just that Americanized and Westernized... He also has authoritarian leanings... a strong man political guy... pretty much anti-Enlightenment... but at least he's his own person...

Hetalia · #**538** September 28th, 2011, 08:44 AM

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He's a Russophile... a strong Russophile... Just that strong that he wants our country under Russian orbit... which is unimaginable in plausibility since we're just that Americanized and Westernized... He also has authoritarian leanings... a strong man political guy... pretty much anti-Enlightenment... but at least he's his own person...

Now I Understand.
Anyways, I have a theory that C.C. is a Catholic.