Austro German Empire TL

Hapsburg

Banned
Kind of a "what if" of Austria and the Austro-Prussian War. Result is: Austria wins and invades Prussia. Other nations get involved...yada, yada yada.
1866-
The Seven Week War ends in favor of Austria. Austrian troops invade Prussia, and drags Hanover, Saxony, Hessia, and Mecklenburg into war. The Austrians gained the support of Bavaria, Baden, and Württemburg. Together, the Austrian Alliance obliterated Saxony, Hessia, and The Rhineland-Palatinate (a Prussian province). The Prussians immediately seized Danzig, the free city, and all Hanseatic League cities. The Prussian economy boosted from the seizure of these port cities. Public outcry from France, Denmark, and the Netherlands almost draw outside nations into the conflict.

1867-
US sends the Army 55th and 53rd Regiments, as well as the 5th US Marine Battalion to Prussia to aid in battling what American President Andrew Johnson called “the greatest threat to democratic freedom this century has ever seen”, even though the US doesn’t formally declare war on Austria. At the Battle of Weimar (July 12), American and Prussian forces met with a Brigade of Austrian Kaiserjägers, led by Brigadier-General Otto Ulrich von Löwe. The Austrian elite troops poured accurate rifle fire into the American and Prussian troops. They however outnumbered the Austrians. Two Regiments of US Army troops and a Brigade of Prussian infantry out maneuvered and outgunned the Kaiserjägers. As the Austrian troops fell back into the forest, the Prussians followed. The 55th and 53rd US, however, hung back. They knew guerilla warfare when they saw it. The Confederates had used it years earlier, in the American Civil War. Suddenly, an entire Battalion of Austrian Cuirassiers and two divisions of Uhlan Lancers rode from the forest, and flanked the Prussians. Kaiserjäger troops flooded out from the forest, and massacred the Allied soldiers. The United States openly declared war on the Austrian Alliance two days after. They sent two full Corps of US Army personnel to fight the Austrian Army. The Hapsburg Emperor ordered more troops to the front lines, and within months, takes Hessia, Lower Saxony, Rhineland-Palatinate, and Westphalia, thanks to their allies, Bavaria, Baden & Württemburg. Silesia and the Thurungia are captured by Austria by December.

1868-
French Emperor, Napoleon III claims “This is the last straw!!” and promptly invades Prussia, through Hanover. The British, seeing an opportunity to take Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, the state where King Albert claims origin, declares war on Prussia. They send a Corp of infantry, backed up by 10 companies of Scottish Riflemen. The British Empire and France are at war with Prussia and America. The Austrian Kaiser welcomes these allies and proceeds to take territory from King William I of Prussia. Posen, West and East Prussia, and Mecklenburg are finally taken. On August 7th, the Royal British Navy lands the 4th Marine Battalion on Pomerania. American and Prussian troops defend the beaches as long as possible, but the British Marines take Northern Pomerania within hours. Britain begins sending more troops to the beach. Denmark declares war on Prussia in late November, and invades Schleswig-Holstein. By December, the Danish Army takes the territory. The Danes also land troops on Pomerania. Soon, British-Danish armed forces take the entire province. The Austrians cede Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Britain. All that is left is Brandenburg.

1869-
The Invasion of Brandenburg, a massive attack into the last Prussian province, begins. Three Austrian Corps, two British Corps, a French Brigade, and the remaining armies of Bavaria, Baden, and Württemburg march across Brandenburg Province. The Army of the Austrian Alliance takes Potsdam in early February. They reach Berlin in late March, and begin the siege. A cannonball kills King William, while he looks out from a palace window. Crown Prince Frederick III takes the throne of Prussia. He directs his armies from a bunker underneath the Palace. In mid-April, the United States proposes a cease-fire, mostly caused by public anti-war demonstrations and public appeals to end the war. President Andrew Johnson orders troops to pull out of the war zone. The US troops helped by the Austrians to leave the area. Johnson announces that he will not run for a second term as the Democratic Party candidate. Former Field Marshal Ulysses S. Grant is elected in the Republican primaries to be the Republican Presidential Candidate. French artillery and German grenadiers blow a hole in Berlin’s walls large enough to send troops through. Austrians, Frenchmen, Bavarians, and Germans flood through the wall and storm Berlin. In the confusion, several civilians are killed on sight. After weeks of fighting, the Alliance captures Berlin. King Frederick III signs the Treaty of Berlin on May 22, 1869, finally ending the war. Final death tallies are:
Prussia-922788
Austria-612940
France-550400
Britain-400260
United States-398070
Bavaria, Baden, Württemburg-219600
Denamark-52
Total-3134110

1870-
The Kings of Prussia, Baden, Württemburg, and Bavaria sign a treaty stating that, “If Austria should get involved in a confrontation against France, these Federated Monarchs will aid the Hapsburg Emperor in the war, and willingly cede themselves to Austria.” The agreement solidified Austrian dominance in Germany. In early February, Austrian troops invaded Alsace-Lorraine, sparking war with France. The French Emperor, Napoleon III, sends the French Navy to blockade the North Sea, and Prussia. The British Navy is dispatched to protect their assets in Germany. The Danish & Prussian Navies come into contact with the British and French Navies, and at Jutland, they battle. The clearly outnumbered French Navy is nearly obliterated. After this battle, Austria begins its own naval expansion plans. It builds many new iron-hulled battleships. New refinements to breech loading cannons give the Austrian ships a higher rate of fire than most other ships at the time. The Spanish Armada sends their ships across the French coast, and bombards the shores. The Spanish Army invades southern France in mid-June. The Austrian-German Army progresses as far as the Seine and Rhone Rivers. Spain is stopped at the Garonne River. The Austrians capture Paris, but the Emperor flees to Orleans. A new government is set up at Orleans. The Belgian Army joins the war, and is given an area northeast of the Seine to manage. The war progressed with large casualties on both sides. The Grand Duchy of Baden was also given an administrative area.
1871-
In early March, the Austrian and allied armies sweep across Western France. As they close on the capitol, Orleans, French General Robert Le’ Babtiste, revolts against the Emperor. The French Army ousts Napoleon III, and executes the entire royal family by guillotine. All of the Imperial Guard are hunted down and beheaded. The military revolutionaries put the guard’s heads on pikes and crucify the bodies. When the Germans, Belgians, and Austrians enter Orleans, they find a scene of horror. Hundreds of bodies impaled, crucified, and guillotined. The Imperial family’s heads hung from a flagpole, their bodies burning in the streets. Babtiste sits in a golden throne, in the middle of the city, in full military uniform. He announces that France has surrendered, and that the Bonaparte’s oppressive reign has ended. Though no one knows it yet, the oppressiveness and terror has only just begun. The Franco-German War, at long last, ends; the final death tally is:
France-1152677
Austria-1078993
Spain-1003445
Baden, Württemburg, Bavaria-780552
Belgium-612334
Britain-34988
Prussia-33772
Denmark-11643
Total-4708404

After the war ends, on November 1, 1871, the Kingdoms of Bavaria, Württemburg, Prussia, and the Grand Duchy of Baden, cede their territory to Austria, after reviewing the 1870 agreement. The Austrians absorbs the lands it and Baden occupied in the Franco-German War. Emperor Franz Josef of Austria is declared “His Grand Majesty, President and Emperor of all the Federated German States of the Greater German Empire,” thus creating the Grossdeutsches Reich, an economic and military power of nearly unfathomable strength

1872-
President Ulysses S. Grant begins trade with the new German Nation, and creates a treaty with Kaiser Franz Josef. Rumors leak from France that Dictator Babtiste is executing thousands of people he deems “useless for the new French state.” These include the mentally retarded, protestants, and pacifists. The French Government claims these to be “untrue lies” and “slander invented by the Lutherans.” Many nations doubt the honesty of Babtiste’s statement.

1873-
Frederick III, Governor-King of Prussia, is diagnosed with Cancer of the Larynx. Though medical technology has not progressed to the point that surgery can be performed on the larynx, the disease has been caught early. Research begins, sanctioned by the Hapsburg Government, to find a cure for cancers and smallpox. Frederick designates his son, Frederick William Victor Albert v. Hohenzollern, to be his successor if he should die from the cancer.
1874-1879
Peace in Europe, economies boom throughout the world, and death rates are at an all-time low. President U.S Grant is elected for a second term. Kaiser Franz Josef issues many liberal and democratic proclamations during these years, and makes the Austro-German Empire a more open and free nation. In 1877, Rutherford B. Hayes begins his presidency as Grant refuses to run for a third term. In 1878, a two-week war between Greece and Turkey results in the Greek Mainland being absorbed into the Ottoman Empire. The island of Crete becomes a parliamentary monarchy. In 1879, a wave of new technologies hits Europe, like the Phonograph and improved Telegraphs. By late 1879, though, Britain and Germany are in a race to seize parts of Africa. Britain manages to take large parts of South and East Africa, but the German Empire grabs Kenya and some gold-rich and diamond-rich territory in West Africa.

1880-
The British Army has only one tribe left to defeat: the Zulu. The Zulus have much larger numbers than the British conquerors, but are armed with pikes and swords. British cavalrymen have heavy lances and sabers, not to mention the British infantry rifles, firing 12mm slugs with high precision. The Germans also have trouble with the Masai of Kenya. The Masai tribe is very strong, well ruled, and has better weapons than the Zulu. In the Battle of Isandlwana, the British forces suffer a heavy loss to the Zulus, but manage to inflict many casualties to the Zulu Nationalists. King Cetshwayo kaMpande gains support from Dutch settlers in the region, the Boers. They manage to put up an effective resistance to British troops. America sends a battalion of US Army Dragoons, and the Austro-German Empire sends two regiments of Prussian Conscripts to aid the British attempt to destroy the Zulu Nation.

1881-
Zulu forces at Cape Town surround British and American troops. New machineguns made by Hiram T. Maxim’s company are used to great effect, beating back the Zulu forces, while taking minimal losses. Boer sharpshooters, however, manage to kill several allied soldiers. The siege lasts many months…
Late in December, the British forces unleash a new weapon: the Armored Vehicle. Based off of Henry Ford’s Model T car, the new British weapon of war has 3cm thick steel plates, bulletproof glass, and a Maxim machinegun mounted in the rear. These vehicles, though slightly unwieldy, break the siege and wipe out many Zulu nationalists.

1882-1887
The Zulu War drags on, with British victory finally achieved in late October of 1887. Ford’s car is refined and mass-produced. King Frederick III of Prussia gets the necessary surgery to heal his larynx cancer.

1888-
Prussian King Frederick III is murdered at a public outing at Berlin Park. The assassin, a Prussian separatist by the name of Heinrich Grüberhoff, is captured and executed. William II takes the throne as Prussian King. His grandmother is Queen Victoria of Britain.
1889-
French dictator Robert Le’ Babtiste mobilizes his entire army, and invades the German-occupied Ostfrankreich. The German Army is surprised and retreats to the Rhine River, and sets up a defensive trench. Belgium is stormed and taken by France. France takes Italy and its island possessions by March. Spain, in a fit of panic, cedes Aragon to France. French North Africa is counterattacked by German and British troops in Colonial Africa. The Russian Empire, quiet for many years, suddenly attacks eastern Germany, and takes Prussia, Pomerania, Brandenburg, and most of the east Austrian provinces. The Russian Cossacks sweep over the German landscape, killing, pillaging, and burning all in their path. Thousands are killed. The United States, Britain, and Japan declare war on Russia and France. The war begins…

1890-
Russians take the Danish territories of Schleswig-Holstein, and advance to the Elbe River. French Army troops are stalled at the Rhine, though the Austro-Italian border is heavily defended, and heavy trench fighting has caused a stalemate along the Tyrol Province. The Austrian’s grip on Adriatic Coastline is strong; Romania, Serbia, and Sicily send money to the German’s side, helping to fund the war effort. The Allied Navies fight Russia’s fleets with almost no struggle. The Tsar’s naval forces are weak, and have unskilled crew. A new battleship program is being started, however, for a heavy warship with large-bore turret guns and torpedoes. Dubbed “PPH Potemkin” this new warship is said to be theoretically able to defeat even Britain’s navy. In the meantime, though, the Japanese Imperial Navy hammers outdated Russian ships. The Germans face fierce resistance on the Rhine River, as the French introduce an advanced armored car, with heavier 12mm machinegun twin mounts, and greater maneuverability. Switzerland stays neutral/

1890-1897
The war drags on across Europe and Asia. The Russians introduce the Potemkin class Battleships in late 1895. These awesome 12500-ton ships have two turrets with twin 30.5cm Guns, plus 16 secondary 152mm guns, 14 75mm guns, five 38cm torpedo tubes, and several small-caliber guns. They were produced in large enough numbers to beat back the Japanese and RN fleets. These Russian superships are a step forward in naval technology. Meanwhile, in Europe, the British Royal Army introduces the Battle Tank, a type of vehicle with 8-15 centimeter thick armor and several 30mm guns. These heavily armored beasts move slowly, but can easily obliterate enemy troops.
The German’s receive several “tanks” to combat Russian and French troops. By December, the lines are broken, and the Allies smash through to Paris. The Russians are driven back to Russia, and sign a peace treaty on Christmas 1897.







1898-
German Mauser Company introduces the new G98 Rifle, and K98 Carbine, which are used to great effect in the march to Paris. The Allies sweep into Paris and capture dictator Babtiste. The French people praise the British, German, and American troops as liberators. Babtiste is tried by the French People, and is executed by guillotine.
The War ends, and final death tallies are:
Russia-9304987
Austria-8400000
France-8355677
Britain-7223144
Japan-6890545
Denmark-3560000
United States-1899455
African Colonial Militias-1045221
Total-46679029
It is the bloodiest war in history. Nearly twice as many Americans died here than in their Civil War alone. The total deaths is staggering: 46,679,029 military and civilians combined. The number of wounded is nearly twice that. The area west of the Rhine River, formerly known as Ostfrankreich by their German occupiers has been founded as the Republic of the West Rhine. Much of the former Ostfrankreich, however, ahs been ceded to France, now under a new Republic. American president McKinley sends relief funds to France, Germany, and Denmark. On February 15, 1898, Spain’s soldiers sink the American battleship, Maine, in Havana Harbor. The Americans, in a rage, declare war on Spain. The US & Spain have at each other in mighty naval battles across the Pacific and Caribbean. In May, USN forces took the Philippines from Spain, with help from Filipino Nationalists. The US Marines invade Cuba in June, setting up the base of Guantanamo Bay. On July 1, Lieutenant Colonel Theodore Roosevelt and his “Rough Riders” led the charge up San Juan Hill, defeating the Spanish troops. The US had 8,000 soldiers plus artillery and Gatling guns. Over 10,000 Spanish troops met the Rough Riders on the hill, and were defeated. Casualties were high on the Spanish side, and the Americans captured Santiago, and winning the Cuban Campaign. An armistice is announced, and Spain surrenders the Philippines, Guam, Cuba, and a few Pacific Islands to the US.

1899-
The Boer War begins and ends, with 20,000 British casualties and nearly 100,000 dead Boers. Talks begin with the young Rhineland nation to return to Austrian dominion.

1900-
German troops invade the Republic of the Rhine in early May. The war is over by Christmas, with the Rhineland retaken by Austria. France, in a fit of panic, cedes much eastern territory to the Germans. Flemish people in Belgium rebel against the government, and overthrow it in a bloody coup. They immediately form a national assembly and hold a plebiscite to decide whether or not to annex with Germany.



1901-
The plebiscite decision is final: 500 votes for and 499 against. The Belgian nation cedes itself to the Austro-German Empire. In the US, President McKinley is assassinated. His vice-president, Theodore “Teddy” Roosevelt becomes President. He carries out many reforms to the nation, making it more ethically equal. He increases naval power, and improves the US Army.
 

Kadyet

Banned
US sends the Army 55th and 53rd Regiments, as well as the 5th US Marine Battalion to Prussia to aid in battling what American President Andrew Johnson called “the greatest threat to democratic freedom this century has ever seen”, even though the US doesn’t formally declare war on Austria

ASB. The US didn't give a rat's butt about European conflicts, and the idea of spreading or defending democracy in other nations didn't come around until President Wilson. Furthermore, while small punitive expeditions and naval campaigns of the time frequently happened without a declaration of war, President Johnson would not send 2,500 troops into combat without a declaration of war. He would be impeached almost immediately.
 

Hapsburg

Banned
Or an American public, feeling a need to regain lost "honor" and prestige after the Civil War, decide to get involved in European conflicts. Johnson does get Impeached, but it isn't relevant to Austria. Plus, the US sees an ally and an economic parter flushing down the drain. Even an 1866 US wouldn't let that happen.
Other than that, what else has errors that i can correct to your face?
 

Kadyet

Banned
Hapsburg said:
Or an American public, feeling a need to regain lost "honor" and prestige after the Civil War, decide to get involved in European conflicts.

That was never such an American sentiment though. The casualty totals for the US in the first war are absurd as well. You're talking about deaths equal to the number that the Union took (from all causes, including disease and such) during the whole of the Civil War, from only two corps deployed in Europe for two years. I also rather doubt the likelihood of a landing on an opposed beach. Finally, if Britain were to side with anyone, it would be Prussia, in order to try and keep anyone on the Continent from growing too strong.
 

Hapsburg

Banned
they send more and more as the war drags on. Thoug hthere was no such sentiment in OTL, in my ATL, this is one slight tweak to it, and also the Union doesnt lose sooooooooo much. maybe 100,000 less. Plus, unioners start to feel a loss of honor, and the US has a big blow to it's prestige(being split asunder does that). thats why it's Aleternate TL, thing are differnt than from what really happens in our timeline.
 
Couldn't stop laughing. Why the hell would the US get involved in the first place? It certainly won't for whatever reason you give. They are going through something called 'Reconstruction' at the time.

"US sends the Army 55th and 53rd Regiments, as well as the 5th US Marine Battalion to Prussia to aid in battling what American President Andrew Johnson called “the greatest threat to democratic freedom this century has ever seen” - such broad bull. I'm sure Secretary of State Seward is wondering how the idea of 'democratic freedom' can be attributed to Prussia.

The German Empire an 'economic and military power of nearly unfathomable strength' - like Hell. Do you even remember the number of casualties you are attributing to the war and the damages caused by the continent wide conflict? Given the way Vienna moved I shouldn't expect any great industrialization in the German states until the 1890s.

Its highly doubtful that the French would permit the unification of the German States with Austria into one nation. The balance of power on the Continent is in France's favour as long as Germany doesn't unify.
 

Hapsburg

Banned
1) dont be such an ass about it

2) it's my ATL, i can do whatever i want to it. i could've had the US get conquered for all i cared, as i thought of this ATL.

3) imagine OTL's German Empire and Austria-Hungary, plus rhine river valley. big industrial zones, and etc. plus, the industrial revolution.

4)France is well...France, they can't do crap. Besides, Austria is thier ally in this TL, and a stronger austira means a stronger ally. how wouldthey prevent german unification when stoppping it means getting the sh*t knocked out of them by the Austrian Empire and the UK.

5)Who TF is Seward? The US had been Prussia's ally and tradin partner since 1786. That relationship definently gets the US riled up. iomagine if your good friend for many years is being jumped by a much bigger dude. What would you do, if you were strong too?
 
Hapsburg said:
1) dont be such an ass about it

2) it's my ATL, i can do whatever i want to it. i could've had the US get conquered for all i cared, as i thought of this ATL.

3) imagine OTL's German Empire and Austria-Hungary, plus rhine river valley. big industrial zones, and etc. plus, the industrial revolution.

4)France is well...France, they can't do crap. Besides, Austria is thier ally in this TL, and a stronger austira means a stronger ally. how wouldthey prevent german unification when stoppping it means getting the sh*t knocked out of them by the Austrian Empire and the UK.

5)Who TF is Seward? The US had been Prussia's ally and tradin partner since 1786. That relationship definently gets the US riled up. iomagine if your good friend for many years is being jumped by a much bigger dude. What would you do, if you were strong too?

I can accept that a slight possibility exists for the US to support Prussia (there is a city named 'King of Prussia' on Pennsylvania and the Prussians were seen by many to be reformers when compared to many of the noble families of the day).

What I don't understand is how a vetern Union force after four years of fighting would be that easily beaten. Where are the gatling guns? Where are their repeating rifles?
 
Without being rude,

there's just no way the US is going to get involved in a war right after the ACW, Lincoln's death, and just as Reconstruction starts. And the only way we would stay in a war long enough to have more casualties than the ACW is if an atomic bomb is involved.

My advice is to slow the process down. Rome wasn't built in a day, yada yada.
 

Hapsburg

Banned
repeaters dont come into service yet. Austrian Jaegers are very very skilled. Austira's cav is also teh good. i never said the US troops were EASILY beaten. i just said that A-H's troops massacred the alliance troops, mostly the Prussians. Most of the US's troops were captured alive. i just omited it becaus it wanst relevant to me. i was conscentrating mostly on the Austrian part, not much who else.

My vandox story (which ive posted here earlier. its near the bottom of the discussions page.) is much more realistic, and has more of teh other nations.
 

Kadyet

Banned
Ok, do you have the ACW ending in a manner different than OTL? Because that's extremely relevant.
 
I don't mean to sound overly negative, but this timeline strikes me as fairly implausible. Here a few of the odder issues.

1) In the 1866 war you refer to Prussia siezing Danzig, which had been a Prussian city since the First Partition of Poland.

2) No mention is made of Italy's role in the 1866 war.

3) It would take a very major change to get the US to send aid to Prussia during the 1866 war. US policy at this time was very much in favor of isolationism and not interfering in European affairs.

4) Given France's traditional hostility towards Austria, I imagine if France saw Prussia collapsing in the face of an Austrian attack they would be more inclined to aid the Prussians and try and keep Austria weak, rather than helping the Austrians acquire huge amounts of new territory.

5) I do not see the Ottomans conquering Greece so quickly and without opposition. Greek independence had a fair bit of support from Russia, France, and the UK, all of whom would strongly object to an Ottoman conquest of Greece. Seeing as Britain and France were the main reason Russia did not launch an all-out invasion to try and conquer the Ottomans, I doubt the Ottomans would really risk offending their protectors too much. Also, as Crete was still in Ottoman hands in 1879, I doubt it would become an independent parliamentary monarchy.

6) I really do not see armored cars based off the Ford Model T showing up in 1881, as the Model T was not created until 1908. Even if you posited the development of mass-produced automobiles 30 years early (which would require a very different PoD) it would almost certainly not be called the Ford Model T.

7) Your great war of 1888 - 1898 is really a bit too long for a modern war. The four years of battle in World War I had France on the verge of collapse, with Germany, Austria-Hungay, the Ottoman Empire, and Russia all actually collapsing. I do not see a ten year long war with much higher casualties than World War I, but only France suffering any instability. I also do not see France and Russia holding out that long alone against your improved Germany, Italy, the UK, the US, Japan, and Denmark. I am also not clear on why Italy is instantly overrun by the French, and why Sicily seems to be independent of Italy.

8) Given how badly France seems to have been beaten in the 1888 - 1898 war, why do they actually gain territory?

9) I really do not see the US going to war with Spain as soon as the great war of 1888 - 1898 finishes. I mean, if it is really as devastating as you posit, why would the US throw itself into another war as soon as the last one ended?

10) If Belgium is holding a plebescite on being annexed into Germany, why are there only 999 people voting? Also, I really do not see Belgium requesting German annexation, as the populace was mostly Walloon (closer to French) and Flemish (Closer to Dutch). If Belgium really fell apart it would either break up into Flanders and Wallonia or maybe have the two regions annexed by the Netherlands and France. Asking for German annexation seems a little unlikely.
 
Hapsburg said:
repeaters dont come into service yet. Austrian Jaegers are very very skilled. Austira's cav is also teh good. i never said the US troops were EASILY beaten. i just said that A-H's troops massacred the alliance troops, mostly the Prussians. Most of the US's troops were captured alive. i just omited it becaus it wanst relevant to me. i was conscentrating mostly on the Austrian part, not much who else.

Personally I think your best bet is to change the troops from US to ex-confederate mercenaries.

My vandox story (which ive posted here earlier. its near the bottom of the discussions page.) is much more realistic, and has more of teh other nations.

I don't know what the Austrian Army was using but the Henry repeating rifle was introduced durng the ACW. We're already boggling the imagination with the US troops in Europe, why would they be sent with anything less than the proven equipment of the civil war. (see excerpt below)

Army units began to receive their Spencer rifles in January of 1863. The 5th and 6th Michigan cavalry were probably the first units in the Federal Army to get repeaters. The 5th, 6th and 7th Independent Ohio Sharpshooters in the Army of the Cumberland were also early recipients. The Navy issued their first deliveries to ships in the Mississippi flotilla and the east coast blockading fleet at about the same time. Colonel John Wilder's Lightning Brigade, a mounted infantry unit in the Army of the Cumberland was another early recipient of Spencer rifles. Interestingly, about a third of the army's rearmed units were cavalry. In a tacit admission of the increasing use of cavalry as mounted infantry, several mounted companies turned in handy single shot carbines for awkward (at least on horseback) repeating rifles.
 

The Sandman

Banned
No offense, but my vague "Jewish Japan" idea was still more plausible than this. The other guys have brought up some of the big issues, but I'd like to add a few of my own:

1. What the hell is with Model T's in the 1880's? IIRC, even the internal combustion engine wasn't due until a few years later, and considering that you've just leveled Germany, Daimler is probably dead.

2. Excluding the massive implausibility of the US willingly intervening in a European conflict, how would the US get its troops to Europe without the British and French chopping its navy to bits? For that matter, why would we send our troops to Europe when there are far more tempting targets (like, say, Canada) back home? And where are you getting an additional million troops that aren't busy occupying the south?

3. How exactly are you proposing that the Austrians successfully integrate the Northern Germans, who didn't like them much and who would just have had their homelands crushed, when in OTL the Austrians barely managed to handle keeping control of all of the other restive minorities in their Empire?

I'm sure I could think up more, but I think you get the point. The real problem is that, on this section of the board, an ATL requires a plausible explanation, which you have thus far utterly failed to provide.
 
Hapsburg said:
1) dont be such an ass about it

2) it's my ATL, i can do whatever i want to it. i could've had the US get conquered for all i cared, as i thought of this ATL.

3) imagine OTL's German Empire and Austria-Hungary, plus rhine river valley. big industrial zones, and etc. plus, the industrial revolution.

4)France is well...France, they can't do crap. Besides, Austria is thier ally in this TL, and a stronger austira means a stronger ally. how wouldthey prevent german unification when stoppping it means getting the sh*t knocked out of them by the Austrian Empire and the UK.

5)Who TF is Seward? The US had been Prussia's ally and tradin partner since 1786. That relationship definently gets the US riled up. iomagine if your good friend for many years is being jumped by a much bigger dude. What would you do, if you were strong too?

1. Face it its fairly implausible.

2. Yes, and you can even have the Wright Brothers invite jet fighter craft and the Prussians build the Death Star, but it isn't going to make your ATL any more plausible.

3. Doesn't matter what the German Empire has, Habsburg Vienna was not noted for its dynamics in decision making.

4. The British weren't overly fond of the idea of German unification to begin with.

5. William Seward was the US Secretary of State during the Lincoln and Johnson Administrations.

I suggest you get a historical encyclopedia or atlas and take a look first at how things were in the 1860s and 1870s first. A little research adds plenty of depth and realism to an ATL.
 

Hapsburg

Banned
i'll answer in numerical order:

1) Danzig is a free city, not necisarily "owned" by Prussia, just as Bremen and Hanover are free cities not necisarily owned by the "FRG" today.

2) thats because italy deonst get involved in this one.

3) like I said, if your friend is being jumped, you'd help him, no matter how quiet you are. esp. if Prussia sends telegrams to the us for help!

4) As explained in the 1st post, Napoleon III's "last straw" is Prussia's seisure of neutral haseatic cities, and aggresive foreign policy towards France. Osterreich, however, makes peace with France and allies with them. A stronger ally is a stronger you.

5) Ottomans fanaticism and etc. Crete puts up a better defense than the mainland Greeks, and form a monarchy, with a decendant of Minos as King.

6) Necessity is the mother of invenstion, you know.

7) Modern, my ass! its 1880s timeframe is not modern by any strtch of the word. France is devastated because they are whupped so completely. Austira-Germany is devastated, but not completely. Many ae killed in the East, but Vienna inst hit directly. Because of German patriotism and thier will to be live ,they force the Russians out. russia and france are euqlly determined to rule europe, and in this thing, italian unification is not realized.

8)France owned it once before, and the allies aren't going ot be overly cruel, seeing as the French see them as liberators from Babtiste's dictotorial regime.

9) American ultranationalism, thrill of recent victory, and also that it seemed like an easy victory, but they were proved somewhat wrong. Many, many other smaller reasons also contribute.

10) Netherlands is owned by Germany in this OTL, and the Flemish revolutionaries are a pro-austrian subgroup. Only 999 delegates vote in the Plebiscite, that's why. One didn't arrive(or was assassinated).

hope that clears it up.

Kaydet, the US civil war ending differently may be relevant to the Americans, but the Austrians dont give a rat's ass. This mostly concentrates of Austria.

Once again, read my Vandox timeline. it's a bit more plausible, and its written more recently. This ATL s a copy-pasted document that i typed up on word two years ago.
 
There just pointing out the holes in this, no need to get edgy. American Mericenaries maybe more plausible than the American Goverment sending troops if do want Americans over in Europe. Two, the American civil war is revelent to American poltics, and if American sodliers are fighting, that means its revelant. You could probaly probe a few things, indtead of blantly telling everybody not to question you, this is a discussion board. Things will be discussed, and sometimes people will disagree with you.
 
What’s with the Austro-German Business? AUSTIANS ARE GERMANS! Nobody seriously considered them not-Germans until after the Second World War, and before the Prussians Unified Germany there wasn’t even any kind of basis for it. This is silly, if Austria Unifies Germany, then Its going to be called Germany, Or perhaps Germany-Hungary if the Austrians keep there nonGerman lands.
 
What’s with the Austro-German Business? AUSTIANS ARE GERMANS! Nobody seriously considered them not-Germans until after the Second World War, and before the Prussians Unified Germany there wasn’t even any kind of basis for it. This is silly, if Austria Unifies Germany, then Its going to be called Germany, Or perhaps Germany-Hungary if the Austrians keep there nonGerman lands.
 
I believe the three city states of Germany (Bremen, Hamburg and Berlin) are federal states in the Federal Republic of Germany and have the same rights and government control as the other thirteen federal states.
 
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