A Shift in Priorities

[wietze]

maybe should put 'work in progress sign on it lol

the yellowish brown area is the protectorate, its located between portugese guinea and british ghana.

[ANARCHY_4_ALL]

Originally Posted by wietze

maybe should put 'work in progress sign on it lol

the yellowish brown area is the protectorate, its located between portugese guinea and british ghana.

Well from what I concluded from Rast's map is that the yellow portion in your map should also be included.

[ANARCHY_4_ALL]

It may be the lack of UCS in the map that's throwing me off lol.

[wietze]

The yellow portion IS the protectorate. Its a different shade because it is not actual mittelafrikan territory. For the same reason i made part of the manchuria/manchukuo and mongolia territory in a slightly different shade than china, because those are occupied/contested areas.

next version corrected some african borders, colored ecuador. inserted part of indus river for clearer orientation. corrected manchukuo. Al zayer colored.

[ANARCHY_4_ALL]

Originally Posted by wietze

The yellow portion IS the protectorate. Its a different shade because it is not actual mittelafrikan territory. For the same reason i made part of the manchuria/manchukuo and mongolia territory in a slightly different shade than china, because those are occupied/contested areas.

next version corrected some african borders, colored ecuador. inserted part of indus river for clearer orientation. corrected manchukuo. Al zayer colored.

Ok yeah that confused me. I agree then. This new version looks great.

[ANARCHY_4_ALL]

Rast was just wondering what's going on inside Ireland haven't heard from them or about them in a long while.

[Peabody-Martini]

I think that the trouble with Ireland is that with the troubles and civil war butterflied in TTL not a whole lot happens there.

Michael Collins is still alive and spends his days fighting over policy with Eamon de Valera as of about five years earlier. I can't imagine much has changed since then.

[ANARCHY_4_ALL]

Originally Posted by Peabody-Martini

I think that the trouble with Ireland is that with the troubles and civil war butterflied in TTL not a whole lot happens there.

Michael Collins is still alive and spends his days fighting over policy with Eamon de Valera as of about five years earlier. I can't imagine much has changed since then.

Either way I'm still interested to get an internal view. Particularly cause we never saw how they truly felt about the Trans-Atlantic War and the English Civil War. I would just really like to see what daily business is in a Free Ireland. Besides the usual pub hopping. lol

[nerdknight01]

¡ Hi ! to Shogo, the problem with Olga´s escape is two reasons:

1.-PRIDE. Inmagine that you it be having a very well defended base, and some poor stu.. peoples attacks, i bet that group it be eating ground, the next night other stu.. group attacks and well. And inmagine that pass 3, 4, 5, 6, years without one incident, do you really think that for example, north side machine´s gun peoples it be awoken some saturday at 4:30 a.m. or it be in their war´s places, and this is what happen, the sense of false security bigger weapons, bigger personal, etc... and the human nature of boredom, and well...

2.-INOCENCE. In our times we are a civilization very violent and paranoiac, we commonly see bad news in t.v., we see 24, and we hear of betrayals, plots, or any think you liked or inmagine. But in that era the common people was how to say, good heart, naive, you know, and i bet that the base´s guards it be searshing somebody armed, or with aspect of guerrillero, or some violent crazy violent killer, but some official how to say, cool, calm aparently doing his searshing work, well..., and don´t forget that in that era the alarms and the tecnology is not to advanced, maybe the guards it be searshing some groups, or ships, or you know.

Peace Shogo, peace.

[nerdknight01]

¡ Hi ! ¡ LOL !, ¡ WELL DONE !.

Nerdknight punching and kicking the computer and say at same time: "IN THE NAME OF ALL THE GOOD AND PURE IN THE UNIVERSE, SOMEBODY PLEASE STOPS McAdoo OR AT LEST THAT HE LOSE IN THE NEXT ELECTION THE AMERICAN´S PRESIDENCY" (the McAdoo how to say proverbs, sayings, phrase are awesome, well done).

About vice admirant Bagley he is right, with some dogs he can catch Olga, well..., this happen for invert resources in the big obsolete ships and nice and funny navy´s base bar.

Seriously, i find ironic of that guy Bagley, how to say, that he know that some vital evidence, track is missing but at same time he wrongly blame the guilty, responsability, suspect to the russian´s goverment, and maybe this situation it be having severe consecuences for the american-russian´s relations in the future, you know.

And finnally, they discover that submarine, ¡ YEP !, this is bad, really really bad.

Peace and good luck.

[rast]

My administration has a job to do and we’re going to do it. We will rid the world of the evil-doers.
(President William G. McAdoo)

Jean Albert Gobinaux was confessing without reservations. Yes, he had been on Hispaniola and had received instructions from the Haitian insurgents. But he never had been in that camp where Riri, Fifi and Loulou had been trained; his camp had been in the vicinity of Pic Macaya – not near Pic Balatier...

That meant that there were at least three more Franco-Canadian terrorists in the wild somewhere. The Canadian authorities were extremely worried. Chief Superintendent Morrison, the liaison officer of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, thought that this threat might be directed against Anglophone Canada – and not the USA, but this was just a conjecture...

Gobinaux had trained Jean Luc Chôlét. Chôlét and Geneviève Lacroix had executed the St. Louis bombing. Gobinaux and Édouard Rousset were responsible for Detroit, Buffalo and the subway trains. For the Times Square Bombing, the whole gang had worked together.

The Mexican, who had supplied the hexogen, was Fra Miguel, the well known but elusive insurgent commander in Sonora and Chihuahua.
This confirmed what Harry Olsen had already stated in his letter.
There had only been one delivery, approximately 1,000 pounds, packing included.

Finding out about Gobinaux’ motives led into a maze of lunatic desire to kill for sexual satisfaction, taking revenge for being ridiculed and an imagined supernatural calling. – Why had he chosen the US for his actions? – Well, he hated the Yankees… Yet, the French colonial possessions in America had been conquered by the British, not the Americans. Americans and French had a long record of amiable co-operation. So, why hit the US? – No, no, the Americans were evil and must be punished. But more importantly: In revenge, the US would invade Canada and assimilate the Anglo-Canadians. This was the great opportunity for the Francophone community to carve out their independent state, because the darned Yankees would refrain from integrating the Catholic Francophones... – Why should the US spare the Francophones although he, a Francophone, was responsible for the attacks on the US? Because he, Jean Albert Gobinaux, had been tasked by God to lead the Francophones to freedom, and God had told him that this was the way to go. – And why was it that he took sexual pleasure from killing? That was Satan’s work: He had stricken Gobinaux because he was doing God’s work...
It was hopeless. The little man was completely nuts.

Jean Luc Chôlét was pure denial. He would say nothing and admit nothing, even when treated with Doctor Bleckwenn’s drug and alcohol. – But Gobinaux would provide some information about him. He believed that Chôlét had killed several adolescent girls after having seduced them because he couldn’t cope with the emotional reactions of the lasses. A former school teacher, Chôlét had made a living as callboy for both sexes when Gobinaux had found him. Why Chôlét had fully co-operated with Gobinaux remained obscure.

Édouard Rousset obviously was intellectually handicapped. He had a long record of animal torture and sodomy with animals. Gobinaux was Rousset’s idol; he would do everything the little man told him to do.

Geneviève Lacroix was a perverted bitch who took sexual thrill from others’ suffering. She had performed as a flagellatrice – but had ultimately failed because she had severely hurt several customers in her lecherous thirst for blood. Chôlét, knowing her predilections and always keen for a cunt to jam, had asked her to join.

Because all four were aliens, judicial consent for persistent detention had been given. For the McAdoo administration, the arrest of the gang was sent from God. They were mentally disordered, true, but one expected evil terrorists to be mad – and they had co-operated with the Haitian and Mexican terrorists, thus, their apprehension was a major achievement.
One had defanged a mortal danger for US citizens, just in time for the hot phase prior to the presidential elections…
Deliberation about the abstruse motives of the terrorists was moot; they had been trained and supplied by foreign terrorists, had killed and maimed harmless people – and now the McAdoo administration had seized them and would see them condemned and executed in due time.

[Shogo]

Gob's motivations are absolutely hilarious. "I'll make America conquer Canada . . . But America won't bother with taking over Quebec."

Assuming that's true and he wasn't just in it for the killing.

If he wants fame, sensationalist tales like that would probably make him more memorable than a "mere" sexually motivated bomber.

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If they sink those subs and do away with Olga and the rest, things will finally start looking up.

Then they just need to put in the appropriate effort for a true southern re-conquest and stop pussyfooting and whining over the upcoming elections.

[Jotun]

Well, there were 4 subs, IIRC. So there's a good chance Musa and Olga can escape. What do you keep on harping about anyway, Shogo? Alekseeva did the US a big favor in executing the rest of the Cheka murderes...as for G'Norebbe, he is simply too awesome to be killed by depth charge

[Shogo]

Oh, it's nice that she took out the Cheka but she's still ultimately working with G'Norebbe.

Bitch gotta go. All of them. Death by depth charges.

[Peabody-Martini]

That sub will not be depth charged at any rate. No captain would want to risk his career by starting a war for no good reason. Then and now naval fleets get shadowed by subs because in peacetime its a game, games have rules. The Mexican rebels have no navy so Bagley probably thinks the sub followed the task force from the Gulf of Mexico and is unrelated to their guest.

So the worse that can happen is that sub gets repeatedly pinged, kind of a we got you move by the surface units. The sub then surfaces gets photographed and is escorted to international waters. It will suck for the people on Cuba and ONI will spend some time speculating on why the deck guns had been removed from a German/MA sub.

If McAdoo gets four more undeserved years in office because of this latest crisis a serious case of buyers remorse will be setting in at some point in 1933.

[Expat]

All of this activity almost certainly gives the election to McAdoo. If they can publicize Fra Miguel as some kind of Bin Laden surrogate, he might even remain popular for a year or two (max.) Though with the biker vets rampaging all over Fra Miguel's turf, it's possible they'll kill him before too much time goes by. As soon as Miguel's dead, people will move on.

People will probably also move on if economic problems start to mount. I would say with the shift from shipbuilding to division building, McAdoo's got six months of relatively good approval ratings if he's lucky, maybe as little as one month if he's not (all post-election of course.) Unless someone's got an explanation of why this isn't the case, the lack of confidence in the government to follow-through on projects that all of Wall Street seems to know for certain are holding the economy afloat simply must sink us into Depression within six months, if not much, much sooner.

I really do see the rise of some pretty intense factionalism around the corner. As soon as the status quo ceases to work, people will look for answers elsewhere, and there are plenty of places to find them.

The thing about dissent in the 1930s is that this was a time when a few thousand penny-ante radio stations were more powerful than the big broadcasters out of New York and Chicago and their shaky network of affiliates. Radios being a cheap, durable consumer good, those that were purchased when times were better will last for the next several years for most Americans, even if times get too tight to buy a new one. That means local audiences for 50-foot towers stick around, especially when more expensive amusements go off the table. That means freer information exchange, and a lot of powerful regional voices.

Cheaper and more readily available local papers, too. And if the big papers are mostly seen as organs of an unpopular administration, the cheap local rags are where people will turn for their news.

(Sidenote: you might say the internet provides us with freer info exchange now, and it does, but we tend to group ourselves by *kinds* of people- urbanists, gardeners, gun-lovers, alt-history buffs- rather than specific places. Not as true in the 1930s.)

[nerdknight01]

¡ hi ! ¡ THE DARK SIDE !.

About Gobinoaux, the scary thing is that class of evil´s monsters exist in real life, and their ideas are so crazy and psyco. About his group, if we see closely, everyone in the group it having distint personalities and interests, but in a way or other, are so dark, and so evil. I bet that group and individualities it going to be studying for some decades.

And i find so wrong that McAdoo it be using that capture´s group as a tool for their campain, a better president it be using what did in the time in the presidency, but McAdoo are using fear and hate for obtain again the power, and this situation it be maybe creating how to say, a preceding for future candidates, you know.

Maybe i am wrong, but i have the feeling that maybe, but maybe, somebody peoples or groups of McAdoo´s goverment, maybe it be thinking that one invasion of All Cánada is a good and awesome idea, and find the correct excuse or motivation with the terrorist´s attacks.

And finnally, maybe that "rebel´s submarine", it be a submarine of some neutral power.

Peace.

[rast]

We must take the battle to the enemy, disrupt his plans and confront the worst threats before they emerge.
(President William G. McAdoo at the West Point Military Academy, October 27th, 1932)

It was a fascinating spectacle, but one that hardly pleased the Middle Africans. Watching from a tree- and bush-covered hill, they saw a flotilla of US destroyers hunt for the submarines of Compañia Azul.
Although Kaleu Djambala thought that the boats could hide in the rock formations belonging to the steep descent into the Cayman Trench without that the Amis could detect them, the continuous gushes of water resulting from depth charges were impressing and depressing the soldiers at the same time. While glad not to be on board, they nevertheless feared for their shuttles.
Now, that Olga Alekse’eva had been found unharmed, transport back to Venezuela suddenly appeared to be uncertain.

“We should plan for an extended sojourn.” Kaleu Djambala whispered to Generalmajor G’Norebbe. “Although I think that the boats have a fair chance of getting away, there’s little doubt that the Amis will keep patrolling this area. And the boats will have to move away soon, their shrinking supply of oxygen will force them to put to sea. – Actually, for us it would be wise to dislocate to some place more inland soon…”
“Not in full daylight,” answered G’Norebbe, pointing to the US airplanes circling above. “As soon as we move, they’ll see us. We just keep playing ‘we’re-not-here’ until after dusk…

Olga had changed back into business dress, nylons and boots, which she had carried along in her bag, while Tom Oliver’s attire had been taken over by Antonio Díaz’ men for future use. Currently, Carmen Díaz was trying to crop Olga’s remaining hair into a decent butch.
“They don’t know that you’re here.” Olga said. “Ah, I admire the cold-blooded aggressiveness of these Americans. – What if there really was a Russian submarine trying to pick me up? This ‘shoot first, ask later, if at all’ attitude is really remarkable.”
“That’s their normal behaviour,“ remarked Carmen, gently clipping, “they put a magazine full of bullets into a house – and then go looking what they have hit. That’s how my mother died.”

“There are other ways to get back to Venezuela,” Antonio Díaz was counselling Coronel Arturo Santos. “Fishermen come and go all the time without being regularly controlled by the Yanquis. There are just too many of them to check them all. They search larger vessels, which might carry weapons and heavy equipment, but the small fishing boats normally come and go unmolested. – For us, they are essential for smuggling drugs and ammunition. – We’ve a regular service running to and from Colombia, providing us with cocaine and opium. Part of it, we sell to the north coast fishermen, who traffick it to Florida; the other part we use to corrupt the Yanquis here on Cuba.”
“With what are you paying the Colombians?”
“Initial financing was done with nickel. – Now, there are the dollars we earn from the Yanquis. The price of cocaine and opium in Colombia is one sixth of what the Yanqui addicts pay to our dealers.”
“So, you kill Gringos – and at the same time make your living from them…”
Antonio smiled.
“Well, that’s war – and what other options do we have?”

“There they go!” vented Djambala. “As I thought, they’re keeping two destroyers in the vicinity. – That wouldn’t be a problem, if our boats were armed. But as it is, there is not a chance that the boats surface and pick us up. – We’re stranded on Cuba.”
“Well, there are worse locations for a holiday.” remarked G’Norebbe. “Let’s relax, kill off some idle hours and some Amis – and look for a safe way to return to Caracas before Christmas.”

“That’s marvellous,” susurrated Carmen, “slaying Yanquis is much more fun than attending school. – Can you teach me some of your tricks in unarmed close combat, Olga?”
“Sure, deary. – Fighting men is quite easy: Kick’em into the balls, then break their neck… – But, yes, I’ll teach you some nice tricks.”

“I also can sell drugs to you, Toño.” whispered Arturo Santos. “For the same conditions the Colombians offer, only in far larger quantities than these crooks deliver. Interested?”

[Monty Burns]

Originally Posted by rast

“That’s their normal behaviour,“ remarked Carmen, gently clipping, “they put a magazine full of bullets into a house – and then go looking what they have hit. That’s how my mother died.”

Originally Posted by rast

Part of it, we sell to the north coast fishermen, who traffick it to Florida; the other part we use to corrupt the Yanquis here on Cuba.”

Originally Posted by rast

Originally Posted by rast

G’Norebbe. “Let’s relax, kill off some idle hours and some Amis – and look for a safe way to return to Caracas before Christmas.”

Originally Posted by rast

“That’s marvellous,” susurrated Carmen, “slaying Yanquis is much more fun than attending school.

Originally Posted by rast

“I also can sell drugs to you, Toño.” whispered Arturo Santos. “For the same conditions the Colombians offer, only in far larger quantities than these crooks deliver. Interested?”

These actions by G'Norebbe truly came as a shock - at least to me. This is NOT Prussian: an officer using his soldiers in a personal action? Killing soldiers from another nation without declaration of war and not in emergency? Probably all this without the consent of Bauer - as why should Bauer care about Olga anyway?

Overall, the citations show that the war will get a lot more ugly than it already is.


@Expat: if McAdoo is willing to build as many divisions as needed, with or without conscription, unemployment should go down substantially. Those soldiers will mainly be recruited from unemployed and need supplies. War is good for the economy - over the short term. Over the long term, this will lead to increasing government debt and just delay the ultimate Depression. After all, what's there to win from this war other than millions of dead, millions of drug addicts and millions of debt?

[ketz3r]

I am pretty sure that Olga works for the MAs. Why else would she ask for permission before killing the cheka gang?