A Shift in Priorities

[ANARCHY_4_ALL]

I think it's an adequate time to introduce a certain John Dillinger. Is it possible that he was sent to Mexico. And could be one of the soldiers turned drug dealer. Could be in jail or a military jail at that. Is there any proto-Hells Angels motorcycle clubs started amongst the veterans?

[Monty Burns]

Originally Posted by Peabody-Martini

Also an antisemite doesn't need Jews, there are plenty of other targets for their wrath, haters just hate. Period.

It's sad, but you're absolutely right.

Let's see which group will be the next that the US drive into the arms of old Europe.

[rast]

В тихом омуте черти водятся.
(Still waters are inhabited by devils. – Russian proverb)

Ambassador August Winnig was sitting in his study and drafting a memorandum to be sent to Berlin. He had taken off his frock-coat, replaced his shiny shoes with cosy slippers, slackened his neck tie and undone the uppermost button of his shirt.
The Wilhelmsstraße wanted to know his appreciation of the situation in Russia; and especially his opinion about Boris Viktorovich Savinkov, the new prime minister.

While Igor Fedorovich Matutin had been a true representative of Russia’s peasants, a man of the people, Savinkov was a scion of the old and today almost extinct bourgeois class of pre-war Russian society, the son of a judge and a law student himself. Thus, he had more in common with characters like Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov and Lev Davidovich Bronshtein than with Igor F. Matutin.
Where Matutin had been straightforward and uncomplicated, Savinkov was versatile and sophisticated. There was no doubt about his fighting spirit: He was the assassin of Tsarist Minister of Interior Vyacheslav von Plehve and had been involved in the killing of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich, uncle of Tsar Nikolay II and Governor General of Moscow. In the Great War he had fought as a volunteer in the French Army; and after the Russian Revolution of February 1917, he had been one of the fiercest enemies of Bolshevism.
A stout member of the Party of Socialists-Revolutionaries (PSR) and deputy war minister in the Kerensky government, he had been expelled from the PSR for his role in the Kornilov Affair in September 1917, where he had supported General Kornilov’s attempt to ‘restore order’. He certainly had been instrumental in preparing the assassination attempt on Vladimir I. Ulyanov executed by Fanny Kaplan. He also had been active in creating the Volunteer Army together with Generals Alekseev and Denikin. At the end of the Russian Civil War, he had emerged as one of the founders of the Peasants’ Party (Krestyanina Partiya - KP), but had quickly been adumbrated by Igor F. Matutin, the darling of Russia’s farmers.

Savinkov did not share Matutin’s weakness for vodka, but was quite a ladies’ man himself and a decadent dandy, a figure with distinct upper-class demeanour; attitudes which always had irritated many of his socialist-revolutionary comrades – and today were unsettling many rustic KP functionaries. As a terrorist, he had been known as ‘the fellow ready to kill for the cause, but unwilling to die for it’.
He had supported Matutin’s policy opposite Japan and China; and he had agreed to the creation of the Heymshtot.
But Winnig had some doubts whether Savinkov would have had Matutin’s long wind for developing Russian society. Steadfastness was what was missing in Savinkov’s character.

Winnig did not believe that Savinkov would just keep calm and watch Russia growing and prospering. He anticipated a military build-up, something which the generals had been propagating since the Mongolian débâcle. Matutin’s conscript army designed to educate young peasants would be turned into a war machine following the proposals of Marshal Tukhachevsky.

Winnig did not foresee any change in policy towards the COMECON. He knew that the Ukraine was a secret item on the Russian agenda, but under current auspices it would most probably remain a secret and remote item – at least as long as Russia had no powerful allies. In the Great War, a Russia allied with the great powers France and Great Britain had not been able to beat the Germans. This lesson had been understood.

A conflict in Asia was much more probable. – The Russians had beaten the Japanese in Far East – but been fooled of victory by the Chinese – and been humiliated by them in Mongolia. That area was probably going to become a main point of friction in the near future.

This would likely be accompanied by accelerated and intensified colonisation in Siberia. Population surplus in European Russia was enormous; and if the right preconditions were met, a huge migration east could be set in train. The construction of a second great Far East rail line, already started under Matutin, certainly was going to facilitate this development.
Winnig had seen the fledgling industrial complex of the Kuznetsk Basin, the Kuzbas; he imagined several more of these complexes springing up in Siberia in few years time.
Matutin had healed the wounds created by the Great War and the Russian Civil War; Savinkov would drive Russia into a new phase of expansion; certainly in Siberia with its vast empty spaces, but possibly also directed towards regaining the Primorskaya Oblast…

And Russia certainly would become more active in international relations; Matutin’s serene detachment wouldn’t be re-enacted by Savinkov. The next international crisis would also see Russian diplomats scrambling for influence.

[Jotun]

Mh. The USA going further downhill (and, yes, dammmit, in this case I am full of glee ) and Russia orienting itself more to the east. If (or should we say when?) war with China and/or Japan breaks out, the Europeans should take high note and derive the correct lessons from that war...

[Peabody-Martini]

Looking at things as they stand with Russia and China from the most cold blooded realpolitik point of view. If they go to war with each other or even if tensions along the border escalate it would be in Europe's interest to ofter support to Russia. Though the Ottomans could become a wild card.

It would also enable them to send observers to learn the lessons of whatever conflict develops.

[Pyeknu494]

Originally Posted by Whumbly

Death by sex.... what a way to go.

"He came and went at the same time. Lucky motherf&#*er!" -- Richard Pryor

[nerdknight01]

¡ Hi ! ¡ INTERESTING !.
About Savinkov, that guy have virtues as the suport of Heymslot, desires of work, is not on alcoholic, etc.. but at same time, why i have the strong feeling that russian leader be creating another st... useless war in asia, or be how to say, breaking all the progress in Russia, in any way, Germany need to have the suport and good relations with Russia but at same time don´t be to involved or allied with that Savinkov´s goverment, you know.
Finnally how are these days France and Italy politics, and how are the situation in Venezuela and Haiti.
Peace and good luck.

[rast]

We are a fact-gathering organization only. We don’t clear anybody. We don’t condemn anybody.
(John Edgar Hoover)

That Helen Morgan was a heavy drinker and often was drunk during performances hadn’t stopped her becoming one of the foremost pornographic actresses in the US. Her epic role as hot War Nurse Norma Sue, where she had done a sixty-nine position with an S.E. 5a pilot in full flight and had fornicated with two guys while riding on the deck of an armoured car advancing at top speed, had made her famous.
With fame came a reputation of being horny and promiscuous throughout, which caringly was fostered by her agent – and attracted a great number of very important men keen for an exotic sex adventure.

That in turn had attracted the FSS, the domestic secret service directed by J. Edgar Hoover. And in August 1931, they had recorded a meeting in a New York hotel – involving Helen Morgan – and John J. Blaine, congressman from Wisconsin.
This record was on J. Edgar Hoover’s desk now – at the very moment when John J. Blaine had just become the Republicans’ candidate for President of the United States of America.

There were three photographs accompanying the report: One showing the arrival of the cab delivering Miss Morgan, another showing the taxi driver help Miss Morgan out of the cab, and a third showing Mr. Blaine arriving at the hotel.
The report said that Mr. Blaine had reserved a suite for himself ‘and his wife’ for August 15th, a Saturday. He had had arrived at 14:00 hours, had booked in and received the key. – Miss Morgan had arrived at 15:15 hours – and obviously been unable to leave the cab without help from the driver, who also had guided her to the reception, where a hotel page had taken over and walked ‘Mrs. Blaine’, who appeared to be somewhat dazed, to her ‘husband’s’ suite.
Mr. Blaine had left at 22:35 hours, Miss Morgan the next morning at 11:20 hours.

Hoover was delighted. This was godsend. – Now, he could lean back and relax. These two pages and three photographs provided him leverage on a future President Blaine – and thus secured his position even in case the Republican candidate won the presidential elections.
This report would not go back to the routine FSS filing system, but be stored in his personal vault.

He only wished he had something similar in hands about Jesse H. Jones; but the Secretary of the Treasury appeared to be an immaculate Mr. Clean. Jones was a typical American self-made millionaire, rising from poor circumstances by virtue of diligence, boldness and industry. – There wasn’t even the slightest trace of a German influence on him. Obviously, his proposal to cut armament spending was solely motivated by business experience and knowledge how the system worked.

Hoover had tasked his men to get some other successful business men’s comments on Jones’ proposal. They almost all agreed. A healthy economy could support spending for the military, thus armaments programmes were quite a way in which the government could support industry. – But current US economy wasn’t healthy. The armaments programme was absorbing those jobs lost in production of civil commodities, where demand had collapsed. So, actually, the money spent on the military sector was not earned by taxes on production in the civilian sector.
This deficit spending couldn’t go on endlessly – and it didn’t create anything that might produce extra revenues.

Hoover knew that President McAdoo and Vice President Hearst were going to campaign with the slogan: “New jobs created, banking crisis overcome. – America’s future is bright.”
So, there was no use in briefing them about the business men’s opinions; they wouldn’t be interested in hearing them. They rather believed in Irving Fisher’s theories about reflation, upholding the value of the dollar and increasing the money supply in order to avoid the deflation spiral. Well, and at least William R. Hearst was one of those profiting from current developments.
And, wasn’t the good money earned by those working in the armaments programmes suited to revive private demand? Hoover wasn’t sure which side had the better arguments. He thought that economy had rather to do with what economic actors believed – and not very much with exact science.

Anyway, not his business. – Hoover grabbed the next report and started reading.

[Peabody-Martini]

In TTL will Hoover be blackmailed by the New York mob like in OTL or was that butterflied by events involving the killing of gang leaders in the 20s?

[rast]

Originally Posted by Peabody-Martini

In TTL will Hoover be blackmailed by the New York mob like in OTL or was that butterflied by events involving the killing of gang leaders in the 20s?

Those mobsters are gone. Their replacements don't have a 'special' link to Hoover.

[Peabody-Martini]

J. Edger Hoover may consider himself untouchable with the powerful men who could challenge him being blackmailed into submission. However hubris comes into play, sooner or later he is going to make a mistake. By attempting to blackmail the wrong person or start an investigation of the wrong group, finding everything about him will become someones crusade.

As for the act described in the narrow confines of the cockpit of a SE5A, the gymnastic ability required would be amazing. The technical and risky effort involved in filming it would be impressive as well. Considering the elements involved I've a good idea who the director was.

[Kelenas]

Given how some of her acts could easily be considered eye-catching even from a modern viewpoint, it's easily to see how she became famous...

- Kelenas

[nerdknight01]

¡ hi ! ¡ EPIC !.
The good news is the porn is a succesfully economic buisness.
The bad news is that Hoover are obtain so much power, and in the wrong hands or causes, well, that evil monster really need to be stoped or need to have big mistakes, maybe it be some love scandal, or maybe because it be incriminating some inocent people, or maybe can´t see some deathly attack, in any way, i like to see when he falls to the dirt ground, you know. About the slogan of McAdoo and Hearst, why i have the strong feeling that slogan be used in a ironic way against that administration and goverment when the dark times occur, and finnally, i have the idea that some rich and powerfully people in America how to say, now are beginning to suspect that dark times will become, what i try to say is because the conflicts with Europe, Germany, South America, etc.. that group of rich educated peoples to what country be going when the problems ocurr, and more important, how it be moving their money and resources without the interference of the USA goverment, you know.
Peace and good night.

[rast]

Ni tanto que queme al santo, ni tanto que no lo alumbre.
(Not so much that it burns the saint, nor so few that it does not light him. – Mexican proverb)

It were the mountain ranges where the fighters of the Ejército Nacional de Liberación worked their way – and by mid-1932, Ciudad de México was isolated from the areas still controlled by the puppets of the Gringos.
Initially, well armed supply convoys still had been able to penetrate the covering screen, but by the end of June, the national capital had effectively been bottled up.
Neither General de la O nor Don Lázaro Cárdenas intended to take Ciudad de México by force. Cut up from supplies, the city would sooner or later surrender.

Mexican President Octavio García Álvarez, who had succeeded Rafael Suárez de Mola, killed by a bomb on May 30th, 1931, had fled Ciudad de México and was now residing at Monterrey, under direct protection of his Gringo puppet masters.

Instead, the forces of liberation had advanced along the Sierra Madre Occidental and then descended to the plains of the Mexican west coast. By early July, most of the western littoral was under their control; only the plains north of Navojoa were still contested, with Hermosillo forming a major strong point of the reactionaries.

In the Sierra Madre Oriental, however, the liberators had been stopped short of Mount Cerro la Joya, as American troops had intervened in order to protect the oil wells between Tuxpam and Tampico.

Cápitan Otilio Herrera Vasquéz, now commanding a battalion, had fought against the Gringos in the Sierra Madre Oriental. Man for man, the Americans were not superior to the Mexicans, but they had aeroplanes, a lot of artillery and other technical stuff.
It was quite a different form of war than battling the mercenaries of the owning class. Thankfully, Herrera had already had experience in dealing with the Gringos from his time as El Moreno, the bandit leader and guerrilla. Thus, he had avoided the mistakes made by other commanders and been able to avoid heavy casualties.

In Herrera’s appreciation, the Gringos would soon realise that they were to repeat their Great Southern Conquest if they wanted to keep Mexico under their control. And this time, fighting would be harder, because the Mexicans were better trained. General Elías Calles had set up a very efficient training organisation, where those who had been trained in Venezuela were making tough light infantry from raw recruits.

What was needed was hardware, guns and shells, of which the liberation army was desperately short. Middle Africa, Herrera had heard, had offered selling some shiploads of antiquated stuff of Great War vintage, but although the freedom fighters now controlled most of the west coast, the US Navy’s cruisers and destroyers were in control of the littoral waters.

The good old infiltration tactics applied against the Gringos from late 1922 to the end of 1924 were the immediate answer: Herrera had a sufficient number of old hands in his command to send out seven commandos for operations behind the American lines. It would be hit and run again. Luckily, the fighters could rely on the support of the population, could even recruit extra fighters, spies, guides and load carriers from the indigenes, because the Americans were as unpopular with the Mexican people as whooping cough or typhus.

It wouldn’t be easy; the Americans, constantly engaged in small wars all over the Caribbean and Central America, had gained a lot of experience – and had become tough enemies. It would be a matter of wearing them down, eroding their morale – and fatiguing the American nation’s will to fight it out. Thus, the war might go on for several years.
But this time, no foreigners were deciding about Mexican resistance, this time, the Mexicans themselves were standing up against the Gringos and their puppets – and they were led by elected leaders, true representatives of the Mexican people.

[Peabody-Martini]

If the arms that the Mexicans are getting are of Great War vintage they should be happy that it is coming indirectly from the Germans. The weapons from other countries probably wouldn't hold up quite as well. Particularly the Lebel rifle of France.

As for the geopolitical situation the Mexican rebels pushing further north, Mexico City surrounded. Sooner or later one of the more enterprising rebel leaders will strike north of the Rio Grande, the implications of that would be profound. In the long run how would the U.S. deal with a hostile nation on it southern border?

[Kelenas]

Even if the US weren't a bunch of racist pricks, I think I'd still be rooting for the Mexicans. Gotta admire their tenaciousness.

- Kelenas

[Jotun]

It looks like The US is going to have their hands full in Central America for at least several years. ¡Viva la libertad!

[Shogo]

Well, I suppose I hope these rebels get the shit kicked out of them. Totally and utterly stomped into the dirt until they're all dead and buried.

[Monty Burns]

Originally Posted by Shogo

Well, I suppose I hope these rebels get the shit kicked out of them. Totally and utterly stomped into the dirt until they're all dead and buried.

That is still a possibility.

However, it either requires a complete change of US politics, with the US trying to win the hearts of the Mexicans, or, as you say, killing all the rebels, their successors and so on until the north of mexico is pretty much depopulated.

Either way should keep the US busy for years.

Not to mention that the same has to be done on the carribean islands and the area surrounding the Panama canal as well.

[zeppelin247]

Originally Posted by Shogo

Well, I suppose I hope these rebels get the shit kicked out of them. Totally and utterly stomped into the dirt until they're all dead and buried.

I wee bit extreme now especially after they are fighting the evil racist imperialist Americans and I really hope that somebody does give them proper funding so they can crush them, what about the Japanese just wondering I mean if they are worried of the Americans trying reassert their influence in the pacific maybe they should supply the rebels make this a more bloody and difficult battle for the Americans