A Shift in Priorities

[Peabody-Martini]

I looked back to page #105 for the events that started the war. Those happened on February 10, 1930, we are currently at or around the middle of July 1930. That means that only about six months have passed ITTL sense the start of the war. Has there been enough time for the hysteria to die down so that the tough questions can even start to be asked?

[Monty Burns]

Originally Posted by Peabody-Martini

I looked back to page #105 for the events that started the war. Those happened on February 10, 1930, we are currently at or around the middle of July 1930. That means that only about six months have passed ITTL sense the start of the war. Has there been enough time for the hysteria to die down so that the tough questions can even start to be asked?

Well, it's not that long, true, but what happened should be enough to start the questions, no?

[Beer]

Originally Posted by Peabody-Martini

I would be careful Beer, in 1930 OTL we were entering the golden age of animation and your ideas are no crazier than some of the work by Disney or Warner Brothers. So Rast could easily put your ideas on the big screen in Berlin or in the event of operation penguin, whatever it may be, could cause your head to explode.

Hi! There are worse deaths than dying from laughter. But yes, there is the potential for an animation movie about the "Penguin Marines". These birds come in the colours of Prussia, black and white! Someone in Babelsberg might notice it. Who knows, we might start THE christmas gift 1930 for kiddies everywhere in the CPMZ. Plushy, imperial German Penguin Marines!

[trekchu]

Complete with a Pickelhaube and monocle.

[lichtbringer]

Originally Posted by Beer

Hi! There are worse deaths than dying from laughter. But yes, there is the potential for an animation movie about the "Penguin Marines". These birds come in the colours of Prussia, black and white! Someone in Babelsberg might notice it. Who knows, we might start THE christmas gift 1930 for kiddies everywhere in the CPMZ. Plushy, imperial German Penguin Marines!

If the Imperial Marines adopt that maskot then perhaps the common name for them might become Pinguins instead of Marines. or

[trekchu]

That would be freaking awesome.

[wietze]

Why does it remind me of the madagascar penguins LOL

found this appropriate pic too : http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs22/i/20...y_SuperNES.png
http://www.swannysmodels.com/images/...ini-3-1979.jpg

[Peabody-Martini]

Watch as a cartoon penguin becomes the mascot of the Marine-Infanterie.

[Unconsensual]

Originally Posted by Monty Burns

No, it's not.

Correlation never implies causality.

Even in medicine, correlation is not used for proving the effects of a cure. Elaborate statistical tests have to be applied and in fact quite a it of mathematics and test design is needed before statistical results are accepted as "results". Correlation certainly is not simply because correlation is much to spurious to deduce any reliable hypotheses.



Now first you forgot about a major prerequisite you make here: You have a problem explained. That is, the observed correlation fits well within a scientific hypothesis. Correlation alone is in no way a proof, yet correlation found as implied by theory is something of scientific value as the theory fits reality.

Nevertheless, being contend with something is no scientific proof whatsoever.

I think we're getting off track, the original point was about how prevalent and subtle propaganda is in the western world. Do you agree on this?

And medicine is guesswork, EX: we are not sure of all the effects of penicillin but we are pretty sure it disrupts the cell wall of some bacteria among other things.
Until recently people couldn't see how exactly chemical reactions work (until some guys at Carleton tech devised some electron thing-a-majig) , but people knew that with hydrogen and oxygen you can make water. There was no direct proof of the bonding occurring but it can be inferred.

But please, it seems as if I have a different definition for Correlation. Please explain

[Peabody-Martini]

Unconsensual, this meta debate about cause and effect is all well and good. But I regret it leads to a gyroscope type debate that just spins of its own accord not really going anywhere. Just be careful of this and if it seems that we are off topic just try see where it leads. It can be a lot of fun.

[rast]

There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America.
(Otto von Bismarck)

Imperial Chancellor Philipp Scheidemann increasingly felt the weight of his age. He had believed he could easily brave out a second term in office. But with the unwanted Trans-Atlantic War pushing up stress and bustle he sometimes wanted to slap down. He never had wanted to be a war chancellor; he very much preferred the serene peacetime business. Being ultimately responsible for men being killed, maimed or wounded was a heavy burden for his conscience.

But what could he do? With Rosa Luxemburg – her of all people! – leading the war hawk fraction and steering a strict Anti-American course, the PDS was bedevilled. Friedrich Ebert, his old and trusted friend, had completely retired into private life after the assassination of Emperor Wilhelm III. Eduard David, the third leading man of the old SPD, was even older than Scheidemann – and terminally ill…
It was the left wing of the PDS, led by Rosa Luxemburg and Clara Zetkin, which today dominated the party. And they were vigorously anti-capitalist and anti-American – while at the same time starry-eyedly staring at Britain, where the great experiment of socialisation was rapidly progressing.

Sighing, Scheidemann seized the papers he needed, put them in his portfolio and left his office for the car park. Schmitt, his reliable driver, was already waiting.
When they left the Imperial Chancellery, Scheidemann’s eyes fell on the opposite Hotel Kaiserhof, which was hidden behind scaffolding. A wealthy Austrian who had made his fortune in the Caucasus had bought the hotel, which bore the same name as the restaurant chain that had made him rich.

Traffic in Berlin was as dense as always. Nobody seemed to care that a war was going on. Well, so far it had been a naval war that not really concerned the masses. There had been elation about the victory in the Battle of Iceland – but also mourning about the many sailors killed in action. After this, things had reverted to business as usual. Most Berliners – like most Germans – agreed that the United States had to be stopped from meddling with European and African affairs. But while – strangely – the Hugenberg press and the papers of the left cried for more action against the Americans, the newspapers of the centre, those influenced by the right wing socialists, the progressives and the Catholic Zentrum, called for moderation and negotiations.

Arriving at the City Palace, Scheidemann was led to Emperor Wilhelm IV. The young man had finally completed his studies and taken the crown after semester’s end in June 1930. Still tutored by Dowager Empress Cecilie, he was slowly getting accustomed to being a monarch.
Scheidemann still mavelled at the decisions made in 1918. Retaining the monarchy had factually paralysed the old elites and forced them to accept the shift of power to a parliamentary form of government. Without the grudging consent of Wilhelm II., the fabulous orator and loose cannon of his time, Germany might have descended into civil war and chaos.

While factually without direct influence on politics, the Emperor still was an important person and Germany’s prime representative to the outside world. Therefore, he needed to be informed about all important developments in internal and foreign policy.
Wilhelm and Cecilie were already awaiting Scheidemann. Although Cecilie was a champion of Franco-German rapprochement, she had never objected the war with the USA.
“They are a nation of smug people with double standards. While declaring neutrality in the Great War, they only interned our merchant vessels in 1914 – and not those of the English and French. While the English were murdering children and elderly people in Germany with their cruel hunger blockade, the Americans let this happen, but immediately declared war on us when we fought back with unrestricted submarine warfare. It is necessary to push back their impertinence. They should have no influence on European and African affairs.” she had declared.

Philipp Scheidemann today could report that foreign minister Adenauer had finally brought together Italy, Spain and Portugal. The Italian battle fleet had already arrived at Cadiz, and preparations were under way to liberate Madeira within the next fortnight. The King of Morocco, who for some time had wavered between supporting Germany or the USA, had eventually declared benevolent neutrality. The US advisory teams had politely been interned, while the German naval base at Sidi Ifni remained operational and the German advisory teams continued their training missions. Sidi Ifni was the most important support facility for the combined fleet operation at Madeira, because it provided safe repair and supply facilities.

[Peabody-Martini]

It looks like things in the Atlantic are about to take an interesting turn. Should be fun.

[Monty Burns]

Originally Posted by Peabody-Martini

It looks like things in the Atlantic are about to take an interesting turn. Should be fun.

Absolutely! Given the massive losses of both the US and Germany, the combined battle fleet of Italy, Spain and Portugal should be quite a thing! Hopefully, loosing even more recently acquired outposts finally gives the US a thinking.

[Whumbly]

Good to see Adolf's branching out, I see him now as a sort of German version of Lord Alan Sugar.

[SavoyTruffle]

I wonder if Scheidemann will last his second term.

[Shogo]

Rosa Luxemburg must be destroyed.

Clearly she and Clara are the single greatest obstacles to peace.

Now let us all hold hands and sing that horrible, cheesy campfire song.

Koomba or something.

(This is clearly a joke. Even if I never liked Rosa . . . some people take me a little too seriously.)

[luis3007]

When the Latin fleet arrives they will find that the MittleAfrikan general has already conquered the whole thing back, and saying: What took you so long?

[lichtbringer]

Originally Posted by luis3007

When the Latin fleet arrives they will find that the MittleAfrikan general has already conquered the whole thing back, and saying: What took you so long?

He says this while sitting on the docks smoking a big cigar and watching the latin fleet floating in the habour.
Alternativly he can smoke a big cigar and say: "Ich liebe es, wenn ein Plan funktioniert"

[Unconsensual]

Originally Posted by rast

But with the unwanted Trans-Atlantic War pushing up stress and bustle he sometimes wanted to slap down.

Perhaps step down was meant? Spell check makes these errors at times.

[Amit]

Originally Posted by lichtbringer

He says this while sitting on the docks smoking a big cigar and watching the latin fleet floating in the habour.
Alternativly he can smoke a big cigar and say: "Ich liebe es, wenn ein Plan funktioniert"

LOL that would work really well, he IS a fugitive on the run from the military..love the A-Team reference =)