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Here is the 1st installment of the new version of Legacy of the Angevins. Please provide plenty of comments.
There will be segments covering particular areas of the TL together with parts of a rough timeline.
Part 1
Point of Divergence c.1185 [1]
It is during the year CE 1185 that this alternative timeline (ATL) diverges from our timeline (OTL). The Angevins have risen to power with Henry II, King of England, being Duke of Greater Anjou (Count of Anjou, Maine, and Touraine), Duke of Normandy, and Duke of Aquitaine by marriage. He also has control over most of Wales and western Ireland. The King of Scotland, William I, also acknowledges Henry as his overlord. In OTL, the sons of Henry are aided in their rebellions by Philippe II, King of France, culminating in the death of Henry, the bad kingship of Richard, and the worse kingship of John where the Angevins’ possessions in France are reduced to Gascony in the southwest of Aquitaine. In this ATL, a minor wound taken during his recent wars against Flanders in 1184 becomes infected and Philippe II Capet, l’Auguste, son of Louis VII, dies.
The French Royal Inheritance
Philippe’s heirs by agnatic primogeniture [2] (nearest male by direct male descent) were:
Henri II of France dies c1200 leaving his son Henri III (b1189) under the regency of Robert II of Dreux; his remaining child (Isabelle having died giving birth to Henri) daughter Alice (b1185) is now married to Robert's own son Robert.
Richard has a single heir by Alais in 1190, Henry III [8], who grows up in Henry II’s court alongside his cousin Arthur, Duke of Brittany, and dies in 1204 during the Fourth Crusade en route to Syria [9]. Richard's death enabled Henry II's plans for his heirs to be enacted: Aquitaine was given to John, while Richard's son became heir to Normandy, Greater Anjou, and England.
When Henry II Curtmantle of England eventually dies in 1207 leaving Henry III the Leopard [10] under the brief regency of William Marshall, Earl of Pembroke, John bids for the throne claiming Henry III is the illegitimate son of Henry II but dies in a skirmish leaving his 8 year old son Henry as the Duke of Aquitaine.
[1] In writing this alternate history trends seen as inevitable have been followed and where necessary analogous persons and philosophies created to limit to large a divergence
[2] aka Salic Law. This was used OTL in the Hundreds Year War mainly to stop the English King becoming King of France
[3] Although Robert I lived until c1188 he had abdicated his possessions to his son in 1184
[4] Pierre II de Courtenay will become the future Latin Roman Emperor in 1216 OTL and ATL
[5] OTL Henri II would be the future King Consort of Jerusalem by marrying Queen Isabella in 1192
[6] In OTL Philippe II was the main supporter of the rebellions
[7] In OTL Geoffrey died in 1186 when he is trampled by his horse at a tournament in Paris.
[8] Often rumoured to be Henry II’s own son
[9] Richard is delayed for the 4th Crusade leaving the Crusaders to buy their passage by conquering the Greek Roman Empire
[10] From a copying error of (old) French le parde, the panther, in contrast to his father
Here is the 1st installment of the new version of Legacy of the Angevins. Please provide plenty of comments.
There will be segments covering particular areas of the TL together with parts of a rough timeline.
Part 1
Point of Divergence c.1185 [1]
It is during the year CE 1185 that this alternative timeline (ATL) diverges from our timeline (OTL). The Angevins have risen to power with Henry II, King of England, being Duke of Greater Anjou (Count of Anjou, Maine, and Touraine), Duke of Normandy, and Duke of Aquitaine by marriage. He also has control over most of Wales and western Ireland. The King of Scotland, William I, also acknowledges Henry as his overlord. In OTL, the sons of Henry are aided in their rebellions by Philippe II, King of France, culminating in the death of Henry, the bad kingship of Richard, and the worse kingship of John where the Angevins’ possessions in France are reduced to Gascony in the southwest of Aquitaine. In this ATL, a minor wound taken during his recent wars against Flanders in 1184 becomes infected and Philippe II Capet, l’Auguste, son of Louis VII, dies.
The French Royal Inheritance
Philippe’s heirs by agnatic primogeniture [2] (nearest male by direct male descent) were:
- Robert II, Comte de Dreux. Son of Louis VII’s brother Robert I de Dreux [3]. He had recently married Yolande de Coucy, daughter of Agnes of Hainaut, who was sister to Baldwin V of Hainaut
- Pierre [4] II de Courtenay. Son of Louis VII’s brother Pierre de Courtenay
- Henri II [5], Comte de Champagne. 12 year old son of Marie, who is the first daughter of Eleanor and Louis VII, and of Henri I, who is brother of Philippe’s mother Adele/Alice de Champagne
- Louis de Blois. 13 year old son of Alix, who is the second daughter of Eleanor and Louis VII, and of Thibaud V Comte de Blois, who is brother to Henri I and Philippe’s mother Adele/Alice de Champagne
- Henry, Count of Anjou, Maine, and Touraine etc, King of England. The most powerful man in France and married to Louis VII’s former wife Eleanor, Duchess of Aquitaine
- Richard, Duke of Aquitaine (invested by his mother c.1168), son of Henry II, King of England. Betrothed to Philippe's sister Alais
- Baldwin V, Count of Hainaut. Father of Philippe’s (childless) widow Isabelle of Hainaut and father of Henri and Baldwin, the future Latin Emperors of Romania. He is regarded as a descendant of Charlemagne
- Philip, Count of Flanders, and Count of Vermandois since his wife’s death in 1183. Uncle of Isabelle of Hainaut; brother-in-law of Baldwin V
- Thibaud V, Comte de Blois. Brother of Henri I de Champagne. Married to Alice, daughter of Eleanor and Louis VII. Father of Louis de Blois.
- Eleanor, Duchess of Aquitaine. Former wife of Louis VII. Estranged from her husband Henry II, King of England
Henri II of France dies c1200 leaving his son Henri III (b1189) under the regency of Robert II of Dreux; his remaining child (Isabelle having died giving birth to Henri) daughter Alice (b1185) is now married to Robert's own son Robert.
Richard has a single heir by Alais in 1190, Henry III [8], who grows up in Henry II’s court alongside his cousin Arthur, Duke of Brittany, and dies in 1204 during the Fourth Crusade en route to Syria [9]. Richard's death enabled Henry II's plans for his heirs to be enacted: Aquitaine was given to John, while Richard's son became heir to Normandy, Greater Anjou, and England.
When Henry II Curtmantle of England eventually dies in 1207 leaving Henry III the Leopard [10] under the brief regency of William Marshall, Earl of Pembroke, John bids for the throne claiming Henry III is the illegitimate son of Henry II but dies in a skirmish leaving his 8 year old son Henry as the Duke of Aquitaine.
[1] In writing this alternate history trends seen as inevitable have been followed and where necessary analogous persons and philosophies created to limit to large a divergence
[2] aka Salic Law. This was used OTL in the Hundreds Year War mainly to stop the English King becoming King of France
[3] Although Robert I lived until c1188 he had abdicated his possessions to his son in 1184
[4] Pierre II de Courtenay will become the future Latin Roman Emperor in 1216 OTL and ATL
[5] OTL Henri II would be the future King Consort of Jerusalem by marrying Queen Isabella in 1192
[6] In OTL Philippe II was the main supporter of the rebellions
[7] In OTL Geoffrey died in 1186 when he is trampled by his horse at a tournament in Paris.
[8] Often rumoured to be Henry II’s own son
[9] Richard is delayed for the 4th Crusade leaving the Crusaders to buy their passage by conquering the Greek Roman Empire
[10] From a copying error of (old) French le parde, the panther, in contrast to his father
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