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Originally Posted by David bar Elias
This is my attempt to write a post-Second Great War TL. Below is the first section.
After the End
July 14, 1944—The acting President of the Confederate States of America, Don Partridge, officially surrenders his nation to the United States, before being taken into custody by General Irving Morrell. After eighty-three years of independence, the CSA ceases to exist.
Subsequently, the former country is completely occupied by U.S. troops, and divided into several military districts.
August 1, 1944 onwards—Emboldened by the collapse of the Russians in Europe, the Japanese launch an invasion of Siberia, to seize as much territory as they can. Although Vladivostok is quickly taken, the Russians prove to far tougher than previously thought. A stalemate begins in the vast wilderness. The expedition will end with Japanese control over several southern provinces, as well as Kamchatka, though Russia will still maintain a link with the Bering Sea, by the time fighting ends with a hostile truce in mid-1951... |
I dont see Russia or Japan being able to keep a full fledged war going until 1951... but okay.
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August 11, 1944—The Treaty of Aachen formally marks the surrender of the European Entente to the Central Powers. The key points of the accord include:
• The recognition of Germany’s jurisdiction over Belgium.
• The occupation of Northwestern France for a period of no less than twenty years.
• France loses French Equatorial Africa, Madagascar, and all of its West African colonies to Germany. Austria-Hungary gains the Seychelles and Reunion.
• Britain is forced to sever all formal political ties with South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, and loses Botswana, Sierra Leone, the Gold Coast, the Gambia, and Nyasaland to Germany. Ireland’s independence is recognized. Malta is transferred to Austria-Hungary. In a separate agreement, Britain is also forced to surrender Winston Churchill and Oswald Mosley for a war crimes trial in Germany.
• Russia is forced to recognize the independence of Estonia, Finland, Belarus, Azerbaijan, and Chechnya. However, the Germans make no move to force the Russians to hand over their disputed Siberian provinces to the Japanese.
• America’s jurisdiction over all French and British Caribbean colonies is recognized. The USA also gains French Polynesia, the Gilbert Islands, the Cook Islands, and New Caledonia. Guatemala gains British Honduras, while Brazil gains both British Guyana and French Guinea.
• All three nations are forced to admit to war guilt, as well as pay a huge level of restitution for damages caused in the conflict. Britain, France, and Russia are also forbidden from maintaining large armies or navies, or from possessing any weapons of mass destruction.
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All sounds good, but I think the occupation of France will be the occupation of the entire French nation.. I also think that some of the countries you have seperarted from Russia probably should be either expanded upon or some of them replaced/changed.
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The Japanese sign a separate peace treaty with Great Britain, which ends with Hong Kong, Singapore, Sarawak, Burma, and Malaysia ceded to the Japanese.
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I can see some of this going to Japan, I think places like Burma will be fought for however (Burma does open the door to British India after all)
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1945 onwards—Large numbers of Frenchmen begin to immigrate to the Republic of Quebec, not wanting to face life under German domination. Under U.S. pressure, former members of Action Française are explicitly banned from entering the country, though there are those who slip through nonetheless.
January 20, 1945—Thomas Dewey is inaugurated as the 34th President of the United States. In his speech, he lays out a series of ambitious goals, including the incorporation of the former Confederate States into the Union, and working with the German Empire to prevent other nations from acquiring superbombs.
January 22, 1945—In a private audience with the Japanese ambassador, Dewey explicitly warns against trying to seize Russian Alaska.
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Yep see this happening easily.
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March 9, 1945—Continuing his moves to reform the government, the Democratic-controlled Congress passes two of the new President’s biggest shake-ups to date. The new Department of Defense consolidates the War Department into a more manageable body (and also establishes an independent United States Air Force). Likewise, a new body, the Organization of Strategic Services, is established to better coordinate and enhance America’s intelligence gathering abilities.
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Fair enough but why OSS? Knowing Turtledove it would be more likely to be the CIA.
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June, 1945—A U.S. sponsored coup in Mexico removes Emperor Francisco Jose from power, who is executed by the perpetrators. A junta of pro-Republican military officers takes control in Mexico City, promising Philadelphia that they will move to establish Mexico as a representative democracy “at all deliberate speed.” The political chaos in Mexico, combined with the shattered postwar economy, sparks a large migration into the United States.
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Why didnt the USA just remove the Emperor of Mexico in the peace settlement between the US and Mexico at the end of the Second Great War? This would make more sense.
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In its first elections held since the end of the Second Great War, the Afrikaner National Party sweeps to power in South Africa. A policy of Apartheid is quickly implemented to control its black population, drawing strong condemnation from the United States and muted protests from Germany. Over the next few years, South Africa becomes a favorite destination for desperate Southern war criminals. Some will play key roles in the atrocities committed by the South African government over the next several decades.
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It will be interesting to see the results in this, but I think that South Africa will become the international pariah once again under this scenario.
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August, 1945 onwards—Operation Eagle Claw, the re-settlement of Utah’s Mormon population to the Big Island in the Sandwich Isles begins. An attempt to start yet another revolt ends in disaster, with the perpetrators executed. Utah will largely be empty of Mormons by the end of the year. It will subsequently be opened for settlement…
December, 1945—Ferdinand Koenig, Saul Goldman, Jefferson Pinkard, Vern Green, and Mercer Scott are all hung within days of each other.
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All good, except for the fact that the Moromons were to be excluded from the big island and kept to the minor islands of Hawai'i, so they couldn't interfere with the US military installations of the island chain as easily.
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1946 onwards—In order to assist the two million survivors of the Southron Holocaust re-establish some form of livelihood, and to hasten the reconstruction of Haiti, President Dewey announces that the nation will be open to unlimited immigration of all survivors. Over time, most will make the journey.
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I still don't see this happening. The whites of the US still dont want blacks there, they just feel bad that they were killed.... I would think more something like a black republic would be set up for survivors instead.
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British rule in India completely collapses during this year, as the new provisional government begins a hasty withdrawal. After a long period of chaos and violence in many parts of the former Raj, the situation will calm somewhat by the mid-1950s.
The new nations include the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Republic of Bengal, the State of Sri Lanka, the Republic of Bharat, the State of Hyderabad, and the new Japanese puppet Republic of Burma.
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I can see something along these lines happening, but as the Indian National Congress was quite strong in OTL, and I would assume in this one as well, I dont think we would see such a fracturing occuring, perhaps two or three nations tops! Also Burma would be more likely to be a Siamese puppet state, with Japanese support.
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January 5, 1946—Winston Churchill and Oswald Mosley are both executed by the Germans, for their role in sparking the Second Great War and the bombing of Hamburg.
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Fair enough, although perhaps a bit of a stretch...
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April 2, 1946—Alberta becomes the first former Canadian province to be established as a U.S. territory, due to the fact that it remained largely calm during the last Canadian revolt (and due to the large number of U.S. settlers now living there).
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Too soon, I would think that these provinces would be more likely established as US States in the 1980sish (after some 70 years of occupation) and more so in a Socialist administatrion then a Democratic one..... (Flora Hamburger has a passage in either Blood and Iron or Breakthroughs that states the reason why Canadian provinces would be just occupied while Kentucky and Houston would be US States, nothing has really changed on that score by In at the Death)
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August 1, 1946—The Territory of Baja California is formally established.
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It would be more likely that its just annexed onto California itself, instead of remaining a seperate territory.
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August 8, 1946—In a referendum, the citizens of Cuba vote to seek ascension to the Union as a state. Despite the desire of some die-hards for independence, most were simply grateful to be rid of the Freedom Party.
January 1, 1947—Cuba is admitted into the Union. It will be the only former Confederate state to regularly vote for the Socialists.
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While the Cuban people were anti-Freedom Party there were pro-Confederate for the most part... Once again I feel this is just too soon.
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June 6—August, 1948—President Dewey authorizes the beginning of Operation Husky: the invasion of Russian Alaska, commanded by General Daniel MacArthur.
His Socialist opponent, Senator Henry Wallace of Iowa, accuses Dewey of “politics by other means,” and claims that the offensive is “Dewey’s folly,” both of which gain him jeers from the pro-Democratic newspapers.
Despite rough terrain and stiff pockets of Russian resistance, the invasion is a complete success. Dewey’s prospects for reelection, already high thanks to the recovering economy, skyrocket even further.
November 2, 1948—President Dewey wins a fairly easy victory over Senator Wallace. The Democrats also retain control of Congress, although the Socialists gain seats thanks to the elections for Cuba’s Congressional delegation. It’s seen by most as a full vindication of the President’s domestic and foreign policy.
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While I see Alaska falling easily, especially with an ongoing Russo-Japanese War, I cant see the United States invading so soon after the Second Great War, unless somehow provoked either by Japan or Russia into doing so....
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1949 onwards—Sparked by France’s final defeat at the hands of Germany, and by years of brutal rule by Action Française, a bloody war for independence breaks out in Algeria, led by the underground Army of National Liberation. Although far from sympathetic for their cause, the Germans do nothing to assist the French forces in the country; by late 1949, Germany finally steps in and orders all French forces to vacate the colony. Most former French settlers flee either to South Africa or Quebec. Algeria’s Jews mostly leave for Quebec as well.
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Fair enough, just surprised it took 5 years to happen.
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January 20, 1949—In his inaugural speech, President Dewey calls for a “united front of democratic states to create a just and lasting peace.”
February 14, 1949—In what will later become known as the “Valentine’s Day Pitch,” President Dewey, in a special address to Congress, proposes the creation of the Compact of Democratic States (CDS), to forge a lasting political, military, and economic alliance between all willing participants.
February 20, 1949—Japan formally annexes Hainan Island.
March 1, 1949—The Treaty of Philadelphia establishes the Compact of Democratic States. Besides the United States, the signatories include Quebec, Ireland, Liberia, Texas, Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Honduras, Ecuador, Chile, and the provisional government of Haiti. Among other things, it promises mutual defense for all member states, and an eventual reduction in trade barriers. It will be headquartered in New York City.
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Would of been great if you could include a quote from an OTL speech along the way.... Perhaps instead of a 'Iron Curtain accross Europe' have a 'Bamboo Curtain across Asia' (in reference to Japan).....
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In a separate agreement signed a few days later, the United States arranges for the establishment of a Nicaragua Canal, securing a ten-mile wide canal zone from government of the country in question. The groundbreaking ceremony will be in January of 1950.
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Considering people had been talking about this since the War of Secession, I am surprised the US would wait another 6 years to begin this....
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January 22, 1950—Sonora, Chihuahua, Jamaica, the Bahamas (including Bermuda), and Newfoundland are established as Territories.
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Fair enough, although perhaps the Caribean would become an overseas dependency instead?
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March 3, 1950—In another major legislative victory for President Dewey, the Immigration Reform Act of 1950 is passed by Congress and signed into law (thanks to large numbers of Socialist votes). The new bill, pushed hard by Congresswoman Blackford, abolishes the 1930s-era restrictions put forward by President Hoover, and explicitly allows the immigration of groups under threat “from genocide or persecution,” in recognition of the failure to take in large numbers of black refugees prior to the war.
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I can see this happening, eventually.
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1951 onwards—Exploiting the former Confederate scientists from Huntsville and Lexington, the United States begins working towards detonating a sunbomb, as well as towards the creation of ballistic missiles.
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I can see this happening, however I fear that several Confederate scientists wont be breathing at this point.... for examply FitzBelmont and the plan starting to form in the mind of General Abell of the General Staff
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April 15, 1951—Australia and New Zealand, both concerned of the looming threat of an attack by the Japanese Empire, become signatories of the CDS.
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Yeah I see this happening.
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June 30, 1951—The German Empire and Austria-Hungary detonate the world’s first sunbomb at a remote testing facility in German Southwest Africa. The United States promptly begins accelerating its own efforts to acquire the weapon.
1951 onwards—Buoyed by the liberalized American laws regarding immigration, a new wave of migrants begins to arrive in the USA. This new migration includes Serbs, Montenegrins, Albanians, Italians, Romanians, Croats, Bosnians, Czechs, Slovaks, Greeks, Italians, and Jews (mostly from Russia). Early members of this new wave are encouraged by the government to settle in newly vacant Utah, as well as the Canadian and Southern frontiers.
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What does this do to Austria?
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Besides the European immigrants, a smaller wave also begins to flow from America’s West Indian territories, with most settling in New York City. Mexican migrants continue to pour into both the Southwest and former CSA, while (with Japanese encouragement) significant numbers of Chinese refugees (mostly from the coastal cities and Hainan), begin to arrive in California.
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Fair enough.
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January 1, 1952—Mirroring the creation of the CDS, the Germans and Austro-Hungarians unveil the new European Community, to be based in Berlin. The primary purpose of the new organization is to complete the domination over Britain and France. Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece, the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, and the Central Powers puppet states in Eastern Europe also join on this date. Besides serving as a political and military alliance, the Treaty of Vienna promises to break down all remaining trade barriers on the continent (with the intended effects of German and Austro-Hungarian corporations dominating all of their possible rivals).
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Will this lead to great US-German friction?
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July 15, 1952—The United States detonates its first sunbomb at a remote base in the Gilbert Islands.
November 4, 1952—With the personal popularity of President Dewey at his back, and a humming economy, Harry Truman is elected as America’s 35th President, over Socialist Adlai Stevenson of Illinois and Republican Harold Stassen of Minnesota.
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Not Truman!!!!
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May 22, 1953—The Independence Movement (IM) is inaugurated at a summit in Constantinople. A loose alliance anchored by the Ottoman Empire and the Empire of Brazil, the IM is designed to provide an umbrella for nations to resist domination by the Americans, Germans, or Japanese. Besides the Ottomans and Brazil, it includes the Indian, African, and South American countries un-aligned to any major power.
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The Non-Aligned Movement strikes again eh?
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February 8, 1955—Britain grants independence to Kenya and Uganda, due to the financial difficulties of maintaining a hold on them. Both quickly join the IM.
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I dont see a Britain struggling would grant independence to their
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August 4, 1955—Alberta votes to become the first Canadian territory to join the Union; formal admittance will come in 1956, in time for the Presidential elections.
November 6, 1956—President Truman wins a close contest against New York Governor William Averell Harriman.
May 1, 1957—Newfoundland is admitted into the Union.
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Read above about too soon.
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April 5, 1958—Houston, Kentucky, and Tennessee are formally re-admitted into the Union, as the military rule of the three states comes to an end.
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Can see this happening...
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January 1, 1959 onwards—Britain formally grants independence to Nigeria, which soon collapses into a civil war between the Yoruba and Igbo dominated south and the Hausa dominated north. The Germans side with the southern forces, and force a truce by early 1960, which create three new nations (one Hausa, one Yoruba, and one Igbo). The primary motive for the German alliance with the southern coalition was to guarantee access to the sizable oil deposits in the southeast. Certain German and Austro-Hungarian companies will gain valuable concessions…
September 15, 1959—The Nicaragua Canal is completed.
November 1, 1959—The first open elections are held in Mexico since the 1946 coup. The conservative Liberal Reconstruction Party (dominated by the army) sweep into power, against accusations of vote rigging and corruption from the opposition Socialists. Despite this controversy, President Truman publicaly declares the elections “open and free.”
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All good, except for the fact that there should be no Mexican coup.
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November 8, 1960—The Socialist Party ticket, comprised of Minnesota Senator Hubert Humphrey and Washington State’s Warren Magnuson recaptures the White House, after twelve years of Democratic control. A prime concern for the President-elect is the growing possibility that Japan may soon gain a superbomb…
January 20, 1961—Hubert Humphrey is inaugurated as the 36th President of the United States.
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I am surprised Japan doesnt already have it... After all the CSA was able to do so in the midst of a war, and Japan was at war until 1951 according to this... |
August 18th, 2008, 08:45 PM
The Ottoman empire will most likely modernize along with the rest of the world, perhaps slower (something I might see, if not for much more than all of the different groups in her boundaries) or faster, considering as how the entire Arabian peninsula is unified at this point. 
I concur though: the Ottoman empire is most likely going to be far different than our Middle East, maybe even cracking down on the more insane members of its major religion (if this is so, it'll lead to nothing but good, obviously). The Ottomans are going to be sitting on one of the world's largest oil spots: something Western nations will begin to covet at some point in the future, and she's going to have every opportunity to court any one of them (or more than one) she wishes to. The Ottoman empire has lasted, thus far (in this continuation TL), 662 years. There's no reason she can't last even more than that.
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